N from D: Potential repeat of 2019 seizures and wellness visits

[wljourney]

So my question is, as I'm reading this thread, the biggest problem is actually US customs, right?
Because no-one here has written anything about Custom Control in their country, when the package will reach its destination like European countries (custom control outside USA/Canada).

All I have heard from EU/UK forum members is that they experienced delays of up to 14 days and some packages were closely inspected. We don't know which customs service did the inspections.
One person reported a broken seal (iirc from Ireland).

I also just received another report of a successful delivery (North America afaik). So it seems to be "hit and miss" currently.

EDIT:
Remember, this is only based on people who actively post here or have DM'd me. I would assume many don't talk about their experiences, neither good nor bad.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

Can anyone confirm a successful US delivery without LE visit or intervention since this thread was created?

 

[wljourney]

Can anyone confirm a successful US delivery without LE visit or intervention since this thread was created?

I have heard of two people who received their orders successfully. One had ordered around the time I created the thread and did not receive a wellness visit (while their friend a few miles away did).

Another person had ordered sometime later in May and received their package, however they used a fake name and a fake address (no idea how they managed to receive the package, have no further details on this).

 

[Theanswer]

Can anyone confirm a successful US delivery without LE visit or intervention since this thread was created?

Good question, same here. Has anyone received it in the past few weeks without LE or wellness visit? Thanks.

 

[Smart No More]

Nobody is likely to have received anything in the last couple of weeks because there's a shortage and D has had no stock to send.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

I have heard of two people who received their orders successfully. One had ordered around the time I created the thread and did not receive a wellness visit (while their friend a few miles away did).

Another person had ordered sometime later in May and received their package, however they used a fake name and a fake address (no idea how they managed to receive the package, have no further details on this).

And they were definitely in the US? Not that I don't believe you but I'd sure like to hear it from a primary source before I try to place an order.

 

[Theanswer]

Nobody is likely to have received anything in the last couple of weeks because there's a shortage and D has had no stock to send.

In the past couple of weeks, did you try to order, and were you told directly from D that there was no stock?

 

[wljourney]

And they were definitely in the US? Not that I don't believe you but I'd sure like to hear it from a primary source before I try to place an order.

Both of those were in the US yes.

You won't hear directly from them. They are members here but want to keep it on the lowdown that they successfully ordered and received N. That's also why we likely haven't heard many new reports from other members.

Understandably people try to protect themselves out of fear of belated LE visits.

 

[Smart No More]

In the past couple of weeks, did you try to order, and were you told directly from D that there was no stock?

No, but people have posted on the forum saying this. D's been telling people to try making contact again in July so if there's stock it will only just be coming in. Therefore, in the previous weeks it's clear there's been no N sent out.

 

[Theanswer]

No, but people have posted on the forum saying this. D's been telling people to try making contact again in July so if there's stock it will only just be coming in. Therefore, in the previous weeks it's clear there's been no N sent out.

Right, thanks. But he also had a small batch in May so there's that.

 

[Smart No More]

Right, thanks. But he also had a small batch in May so there's that.

He did but it ran out at least a couple of weeks back. I guess there's the possibility some of it was spoken for and sent out at a later date so there may be some outliers.

 

[Theanswer]

He did but it ran out at least a couple of weeks back.

Correct but there would be those shipments to see if they were nabbed.

 

[wljourney]

No, but people have posted on the forum saying this. D's been telling people to try making contact again in July so if there's stock it will only just be coming in. Therefore, in the previous weeks it's clear there's been no N sent out.

Logic.
Love it.

Correct but there would be those shipments to see if they were nabbed.

The small batch he had in May was the one that partially was seized and caused me to start that other thread. Some of those went through, some were seized.

Since then, not much has happened afaik.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

Understandably people try to protect themselves out of fear of belated LE visits.

Understandable. And really I'm not so concerned about the N itself - either I get it or I don't - but LE leveraging it to relieve me of my fallback method. And one of two known US orders using their own address had a wellness visit. I don't like those odds, I guess I'll hold off pending further reports.

 

[Theanswer]

Logic.
Love it.


The small batch he had in May was the one that partially was seized and caused me to start that other thread. Some of those went through, some were seized.

Since then, not much has happened afaik.

Logic.
Love it.


The small batch he had in May was the one that partially was seized and caused me to start that other thread. Some of those went through, some were seized.

Since then, not much has happened afaik.

Your second response was the answer I was looking for and sounds like what the original poster asking the question was looking for, too. That, now, makes sense and answers my question. That's all. Thanks.

 

[wljourney]

UPDATE:

I just received a report from a UK member of this forum who told me the following:

They ordered N from D about 6 months ago.

2 weeks ago they received a LE wellness check

LE assured that the person was not in trouble. Just a wellness check. However they knew that someone with their name and address had received "potential class A opiates" from Mexico. They also knew that it had been 6 months ago and that these "opiates" were most often used in suicide.

LE mentioned that these were 'unusual cases' and seemed rather uncomfortable questioning the person.

After the forum member denied repeatedly that they had neither knowledge of any of this nor that they had received anything LE left and confirmed that they wouldn't return.

So, recap: other LE agencies outside of US/CAN have been notified of the items and how/where they are being shipped.
wellness checks are happening, but it all seems very discreet and no further legal actions are taken.

 

[Veraln]

Just on this site, a few UK members were bothered during the past years with checks/seizures, while plenty made it. Some of the stories are always kept private
In 2016 already, the visits occured as bulk in the many dozens at a time about 6 months after the delivery, in the US, before 2019

Interpol is aware of this death business that is ongoing since 2011 from B, A then D (all belonging to the same dealing organisation, as approved by PN) and so are police departments of other nations
Germany in 2014 https://www.noeuthanasia.org.au/bre...ing_another_horrendous_story_of_an_exit_death
UK in 2016 https://inews.co.uk/news/health/euthanasia-group-members-harassed-arrested-police-5846

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I'm implying there have not been off "calm" periods since a while. Few scattered checks happen globally on a continuous basis. It remains a minority over time. The risk of ordering is persistent but something to mitigate.
Occasional reports are to be found permanently when digging. Spotting crackdowns from the collection of them ? may not be representative of a new development but maintain a false alert of emergency. Guess I'm skeptical in a change of the reality from your summary but of sentiment by putting an effort to aggregate data. Thx nonetheless

About coordinated actions, you hear about them in the news from press articles or official reports (from trustable sources outside the scope of word of mouth and conflicting interests, ie pro lifers or compulsive liars).
In varied countries, I remember several members receiving their N without post-issues at the same time others experienced a different outcome with problem so some interferences do not seem to mean much.

 

[Underneath]

Well, I've just had my N seized. Welfare checked at 2am.
UK based, purchased late Jan/early Feb.

Fuck me I hate life.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Just on this site, a few UK members were bothered during the past years with checks/seizures, while plenty made it. Some of the stories are always kept private
In 2016 already, the visits occured as bulk in the many dozens at a time about 6 months after the delivery, in the US, before 2019

Interpol is aware of this death business that is ongoing since 2011 from B, A then D (all belonging to the same dealing organisation, as approved by PN) and so are police departments of other nations
Germany in 2014 https://www.noeuthanasia.org.au/bre...ing_another_horrendous_story_of_an_exit_death
UK in 2016 https://inews.co.uk/news/health/euthanasia-group-members-harassed-arrested-police-5846

Considering self-deliverance? Interpol is intercepting drug sales | Assisted-Dying Blog

Persons thinking of purchasing for self-deliverance from a terminal illness the barbiturate Nembutal over the Internet from places like Mexico, China, Peru and so on, should note this: Interpol is intercepting emails between purchasers and the sellers and then informing local police that the...

assisted-dying.org

I'm implying there have not been off "calm" periods since a while. Few scattered checks happen globally on a continuous basis. It remains a minority over time. The risk of ordering is persistent but something to mitigate.
Occasional reports are to be found permanently when digging. Spotting crackdowns from the collection of them ? may not be representative of a new development but maintain a false alert of emergency. Guess I'm skeptical in a change of the reality from your summary but of sentiment by putting an effort to aggregate data. Thx nonetheless

About coordinated actions, you hear about them in the news from press articles or official reports (from trustable sources outside the scope of word of mouth and conflicting interests, ie pro lifers or compulsive liars).
In varied countries, I remember several members receiving their N without post-issues at the same time others experienced a different outcome with problem so some interferences do not seem to mean much.

I thought encrypted Proton mail was considered to be beyond interception? Just goes to show everyone that if there is an IP address at one end, and an IP address at the other, no matter what is in the middle and how it is sent, that the government has tools to capture the messages that they don't let out of the bag.

 

[Veraln]

Back then, I recall ProtonMail was not yet adopted by the N sellers. Even then, still now, they always reply to unencrypted mailboxes carelessly. If you use Gmail to contact D, he'll reply without instructing you to use ProtonMail before carrying forward. Very amateurish. So it's your job to cover your back by being serious. As an illustration, the core of messages is supposed to be safe with ProtonMail, but not the title which remains unencrypted, so make sure to use an innocent one.
Yet it's a fact, Proton collects other metadata and IPs and is known to cooperate with LE frequently if mandated properly to do so

 

[Nigh]

Well, I've just had my N seized. Welfare checked at 2am.
UK based, purchased late Jan/early Feb.

Fuck me I hate life.

Wow, what did they say? Did they have a warrant?

 

[Funeralprincess]

Can anyone confirm a successful US delivery without LE visit or intervention since this thread was created?

I didn't get a visit from LE. I planned things very carefully though, from the payment down to the story id tell LE if they did show up

 

[SFB123]

Well, I've just had my N seized. Welfare checked at 2am.
UK based, purchased late Jan/early Feb.

Fuck me I hate life.

The fuckers actually knocked on your door and woke you up at 2am? Do they have no consideration for people

UPDATE:

I just received a report from a UK member of this forum who told me the following:

They ordered N from D about 6 months ago.

2 weeks ago they received a LE wellness check

LE assured that the person was not in trouble. Just a wellness check. However they knew that someone with their name and address had received "potential class A opiates" from Mexico. They also knew that it had been 6 months ago and that these "opiates" were most often used in suicide.

LE mentioned that these were 'unusual cases' and seemed rather uncomfortable questioning the person.

After the forum member denied repeatedly that they had neither knowledge of any of this nor that they had received anything LE left and confirmed that they wouldn't return.

So, recap: other LE agencies outside of US/CAN have been notified of the items and how/where they are being shipped.
wellness checks are happening, but it all seems very discreet and no further legal actions are taken.

That's so unfortunate. I guess the only thing I can hope for is that LE visits in the UK DO NOT get any shorter than 6 months if that's what the ball park is at the moment

 

[wljourney]

I thought encrypted Proton mail was considered to be beyond interception? Just goes to show everyone that if there is an IP address at one end, and an IP address at the other, no matter what is in the middle and how it is sent, that the government has tools to capture the messages that they don't let out of the bag.

They don't have to dig that deep.
D uses the same shipping account for all of his packages. It's the easiest and fastest way for LE to pull recipient data through the shipping agency.

Dates, names, addresses. All in one.

Wow, what did they say? Did they have a warrant?

None that I have heard of directly have had any kind of warrant. They are solely wellness checks. No further consequences other than "don't order this again" and "stay safe".

Just on this site, a few UK members were bothered during the past years with checks/seizures, while plenty made it. Some of the stories are always kept private
In 2016 already, the visits occured as bulk in the many dozens at a time about 6 months after the delivery, in the US, before 2019

Interpol is aware of this death business that is ongoing since 2011 from B, A then D (all belonging to the same dealing organisation, as approved by PN) and so are police departments of other nations
Germany in 2014 https://www.noeuthanasia.org.au/bre...ing_another_horrendous_story_of_an_exit_death
UK in 2016 https://inews.co.uk/news/health/euthanasia-group-members-harassed-arrested-police-5846

Considering self-deliverance? Interpol is intercepting drug sales | Assisted-Dying Blog

Persons thinking of purchasing for self-deliverance from a terminal illness the barbiturate Nembutal over the Internet from places like Mexico, China, Peru and so on, should note this: Interpol is intercepting emails between purchasers and the sellers and then informing local police that the...

assisted-dying.org

I'm implying there have not been off "calm" periods since a while. Few scattered checks happen globally on a continuous basis. It remains a minority over time. The risk of ordering is persistent but something to mitigate.
Occasional reports are to be found permanently when digging. Spotting crackdowns from the collection of them ? may not be representative of a new development but maintain a false alert of emergency. Guess I'm skeptical in a change of the reality from your summary but of sentiment by putting an effort to aggregate data. Thx nonetheless

About coordinated actions, you hear about them in the news from press articles or official reports (from trustable sources outside the scope of word of mouth and conflicting interests, ie pro lifers or compulsive liars).
In varied countries, I remember several members receiving their N without post-issues at the same time others experienced a different outcome with problem so some interferences do not seem to mean much.

I agree that there are very likely quite a few successful transactions and the ones I'm listing here are just a small percentage.

However, as you said, collecting the data to have an idea of what is happening and how these wellness visits turn out, is in the interest of anyone considering buying.

 

[Underneath]

For those asking/interested:
Unfortunately as I live with others, I wasn't the person who let the police in, otherwise I would have asked for a warrant.
They asked me what I had ordered online, as they had been given information regarding a "worrying purchase".

To the officers credit, they were actually really polite and considerate about it, they both said initially they would take it and that would be the end of the matter etc.

After I mentioned about it being an "insurance policy", and we had a very frank discussion about my lack of response to any treatment etc they ending up contacting the sergeant on duty asking if they could actually leave the N with me, considering "taking the item away would have a profound negative effect on my mental health".
Unfortunately, since it is a Class B drug in the UK that would have been possible. Both officers were very apologetic as well.

I'm waiting to see what communication I get from my CMHT on Monday. I'll try and keep this updated.

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[wljourney]

For those asking/interested:
Unfortunately as I live with others, I wasn't the person who let the police in, otherwise I would have asked for a warrant.
They asked me what I had ordered online, as they had been given information regarding a "worrying purchase".

To the officers credit, they were actually really polite and considerate about it, they both said initially they would take it and that would be the end of the matter etc.

After I mentioned about it being an "insurance policy", and we had a very frank discussion about my lack of response to any treatment etc they ending up contacting the sergeant on duty asking if they could actually leave the N with me, considering "taking the item away would have a profound negative effect on my mental health".
Unfortunately, since it is a Class B drug in the UK that would have been possible. Both officers were very apologetic as well.

I'm waiting to see what communication I get from my CMHT on Monday. I'll try and keep this updated.

Edit: Spelling

I'm very sorry you had to go through this. And yes, every story that I have heard and where already delivered N was seized included someone else (family or roommates) letting police in and subsequently surrendering N.

Two reports of people denying receipt of any such packages and they were left alone after a conversation.

Again, I'm very sorry for what happened and thank you for sharing your experience.

 

[Smart No More]

For those asking/interested:
Unfortunately as I live with others, I wasn't the person who let the police in, otherwise I would have asked for a warrant.
They asked me what I had ordered online, as they had been given information regarding a "worrying purchase".

To the officers credit, they were actually really polite and considerate about it, they both said initially they would take it and that would be the end of the matter etc.

After I mentioned about it being an "insurance policy", and we had a very frank discussion about my lack of response to any treatment etc they ending up contacting the sergeant on duty asking if they could actually leave the N with me, considering "taking the item away would have a profound negative effect on my mental health".
Unfortunately, since it is a Class B drug in the UK that would have been possible. Both officers were very apologetic as well.

I'm waiting to see what communication I get from my CMHT on Monday. I'll try and keep this updated.

Edit: Spelling

Bless you!

Thank you for sharing that. That must have been an ordeal.

Did you consider telling them you no longer had it or just outright denying it?

I think for people living in shared housing you have much better scope for plausible deniability because anyone of your house mates could have made the order in your name and intercepted the package on arrival.

 

[wljourney]

Bless you!

Thank you for sharing that. That must have been an ordeal.

Did you consider telling them you no longer had it or just outright denying it?

I think for people living in shared housing you have much better scope for plausible deniability because anyone of your house mates could have made the order in your name and intercepted the package on arrival.

Good point. But then they'll ask your roommates and if you are the only one who has been suicidal in the past…

I suppose it's a wash. just know the risks and be prepared with a good story/explanation.

 

[Underneath]

Did you consider telling them you no longer had it or just outright denying it?

Two reports of people denying receipt of any such packages and they were left alone after a conversation.

Yea currently going through everything in hindsight mode. I just wish my thoughts hadn't been clouded by sedating meds.

I guess this must be what my GP meant when he told me antidepressants would stop me killing myself when he prescribed them 15 years ago... /s

 

[whatstheporpoise15]

Yea currently going through everything in hindsight mode. I just wish my thoughts hadn't been clouded by sedating meds.

I guess this must be what my GP meant when he told me antidepressants would stop me killing myself when he prescribed them 15 years ago... /s

Psychiatry is evil. They told my parents meds would make me better when I was a teen. It's only now that I've realized how much sicker they've made me.