N from D: Potential repeat of 2019 seizures and wellness visits

[Beer_is_all_I_have]

How long ago were your messages with him? This would have all went down very recently.

Last week. Thursday was the last message where I got his usual brief to-the-point message. He knew deliveries were being seized.

See sense here.... Mexican LE wouldn't be able to sell fake N and then tell US and Canadian LE to do wellness checks off the back of it. Think about it, why would they even inform anyone if they were running a racket. Its fucking crazy! Listen to yourself. Even if they were doing that LE can't entrap someone and then pay them a wellness visit to seize a substance that's fake and will be proved to be so in subsequent tests.

Sure, something is going on. Wellness checks are happening. Police are looking for busts though. They don't give a shit about end users and co victing people for possession. I do know about these things and have experience. That's all I'll say but rest assured you're working without all the facts or a full understanding of how law enforcement are motivated. Either they're following a list of matching packages from the courier service used or they've intercepted some communications from D' s email address. It seems like the checks and seizures we're currently aware of are in Canada and the US. As I said, it's clear something is going on and it's not a good time to order from D. Nobody is refuting that but getting all 'clever' about it and putting 2+2 together on assumptions is counter productive and ultimately pointlessly wrong.

Good points. My guess is that US/Canada LE is seeing scanned items from his shipping area at the entry points into the US/Canada. I say that because they have known the number of bottles when they approach the recipients.

One blooming idiot even posted on this site the location of his shipments and description of the labels. I know from a successful delivery that the location and descriptions were accurate. LE probably already knew that though.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

One blooming idiot even posted on this site the location of his shipments and description of the labels. I know from a successful delivery that the location and descriptions were accurate. LE probably already knew that though.

I didn't see that posting. It is an absolute human fault to just want to make oneself seem important to others, in this kind of case, by showcasing information that one knows to others that don't know, like a braggart kind of thing. Loose lips sink ships. I have no way of knowing anything for certain, but am going to err on the side of caution, until I know better, and believe that D, his records, or both, have been compromised. It's only my gut feeling. And I may be wrong. I hope I am. But I will play the wait and see game and just observe. I'm sure LE knows pretty much anything they want. Everything here is handed to them on a silver platter, right there for the looking and taking.

See sense here.... Mexican LE wouldn't be able to sell fake N and then tell US and Canadian LE to do wellness checks off the back of it. Think about it, why would they even inform anyone if they were running a racket. Its fucking crazy! Listen to yourself. Even if they were doing that LE can't entrap someone and then pay them a wellness visit to seize a substance that's fake and will be proved to be so in subsequent tests.

If they were operating independently from each other it certainly does make sense. The entire Mexican LE is corrupt. The US has been trying to shutdown trafficking from Mexico for years. Much of the LE in Mexico is directly in cahoots with smugglers, get paid off for looking the other way, even helping facilitate movement of goods. This isn't even what I was trying to say in the post from me you qouted. Maybe I didn't say it right, which is my fault. It makes no sense to me why US LE would simply look the other way if they are handed over what is supposed to be real N. Now, if it is fake N, I can see that. It's not about entrapment. It's about using volunteer dupes. And I still say D is compromised. Just a gut feeling. Hey, I could be wrong. I have been in the past. I've lived quite a while, 56 years, and have had guns to my head. I've seen some shit and have been part of some. It's difficult to ascertain what's going on only from virtual anecdotes. Much easier IRL when you can smell it yourself.

 

[wljourney]

Ok, just a quick update:

In addition to the cases reported above we have had another forum member who received LE visits.

Their package was not delivered.
Instead Homeland Security and local LE showed up (while the person wasn't home), talked to a neighbour (which is how they know about it) and returned again to do a wellness check and talk about the items purchased.

According to them LE is monitoring websites and has been looking for emails. (Some of this could be true, some could just be fishing.)

A good reminder that emails should be encrypted and deleted. Maybe also clear your browsing history.

 

[Smart No More]

Does anyone have access to Exit forums? I'm wondering if anything has been said over there. I'm told Philip Nitschke hasn't posted anything on his twitter. Maybe worth keeping an eye on that. They're the bleeding edge of things really.

 

[Talvikki]

Does anyone have access to Exit forums? I'm wondering if anything has been said over there. I'm told Philip Nitschke hasn't posted anything on his twitter. Maybe worth keeping an eye on that. They're the bleeding edge of things really.

There is no news about this on the PPH forum.

 

[wljourney]

There is no news about this on the PPH forum.

Thank you. Feel free to cross post the info if you feel like it could be of value.

 

[Talvikki]

It has been confirmed on the PPH forum!

Reports of a surge in likely police visits after an online purchase. This is predominantly North America.

 

[wljourney]

It has been confirmed on the PPH forum!

Reports of a surge in likely police visits after an online purchase. This is predominantly North America.

Thanks so much for letting us know!!
Not just a coincidence then.

 

[justagreenleaf]

Gosh it's terrible. What are they saying?

 

[that_guy2611]

TL:DR: neck rope it is.

 

[Talvikki]

Thanks so much for letting us know!!
Not just a coincidence then.

Exit is receiving reports of a surge in likely police visits after an online purchase. This is predominantly North America. No indication where the security breach is, but encryption, VPN and crypto essential.

 

[justagreenleaf]

I am following this very closely because N is my only chance at a non-violent, scary, or painful death.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Thanks so much for letting us know!!
Not just a coincidence then.

On this topic of current LE visits regarding N from D : You @wljourney and sanctioned-suicide.net were weeks ahead of Exit or the PPH as in most times imo .You @wljourney deserve much credit for keeping people informed.

 

[Veraln]

Exit is receiving reports of a surge in likely police visits after an online purchase. This is predominantly North America. No indication where the security breach is, but encryption, VPN and crypto essential.

It's impossible to know for sure if these are reports from Exit members or just PN relaying the SS fears since a post about the SS fears was made just before at their forum... The info is not neutral due to this pollution. Too bad. In fact, PN gathers all feedback and this one was fed to him with a spoon.

 

[wljourney]

It's impossible to know for sure if these are reports from Exit members or just PN relaying the SS fears since a post about the SS fears was made just before at their forum. The info is not neutral due to this pollution. Too bad. In fact, PN gathers all feedback and this one was fed to him with a spoon

How do you know this? Have you seen actual posts on Exit about SS? Or are you assuming that PN scours posts on here and then relays this to members on Exit Intl?

 

[Veraln]

Yes, 2 days before, there was a post about SS at Exit, asking for confirmation about the SS reports. It was formulated in a semi-awkward way which could indicate it comes from somebody here. At least, that's my personal opinion from reading that message (actually 2 posts at different parts dragging the attention by insisting so easy to not miss by their staff)
Outside of this mention which could be looped, there is not a single report of interception from an actual member himself/herself showing there. But this is also true for recent confirmation of success
Anyway, for me, there could have been an intervention of influence just relayed

 

[YourNeighbor]

• Exigent circumstances. The police can search your property in some emergency situations. If the process of getting a valid search warrant would impact public safety or lead to a loss of evidence, the police can enter your home without a warrant.

Suspicion that someone ordered drugs online is not an exigent circumstance that allows police to enter a home without a warrant. If it was, there would be no need for warrants in any circumstance.

Don't give out legal advice online based on Google searches. You're likely to do more harm than good.

 

[Talvikki]

It has been confirmed on the PPH forum!

Reports of a surge in likely police visits after an online purchase. This is predominantly North America.

"likely"
So they probably don't know for sure?

 

[wljourney]

Yes, 2 days before, there was a post about SS at Exit, asking for confirmation about the SS reports. It was formulated in a semi-awkward way which could indicate it comes from somebody here. At least, that's my personal opinion from reading that message (actually 2 posts at different parts dragging the attention by insisting so easy to not miss by their staff)
Outside of this mention which could be looped, there is not a single report of interception from an actual member himself/herself showing there. But this is also true for recent confirmation of success
Anyway, for me, there could have been an intervention of influence just relayed

I see, thank you.
Yes I would have expected experience reports from Exit members that match the 6-8 reports I have received through the forum/via DM here.

Could you please explain what you mean with "intervention of influence"? ( I don't understand the expression. Maybe a translation thing. )

"likely"
So they probably don't know for sure?

I would interpret this as in "visits possible, but don't always happen" or "visits are more likely now compared to 3 months ago".

afaik quite a few packages have been seized since May 13th, but not all were followed up with LE visits.

 

[prince345]

I am following this very closely because N is my only chance at a non-violent, scary, or painful death.

Same here. I don't know what I'll do if I can't ever get N. The thought of having to go another route really scares me

 

[wljourney]

Same here. I don't know what I'll do if I can't ever get N. The thought of having to go another route really scares me

These things will calm down eventually. In 2018/2019 there were a few raids, customs seized packages, etc. just like they are happening now.

And after a while things went back to normal. Think of it as resources being focused on N right now, and once they can see a drop in orders, they will focus on another fire that needs to be controlled, so they move on.

It's the never ending dance of limited resources trying to plug way too many holes.

It could take a few months though.
IMO there are reasonable other options available though if it's "urgent".

 

[Smart No More]

Nice one for keeping us updated with the thread you opened @wljourney and thank you to @Soon i will be gone for relaying info from over the road. Honestly I don't really mind exit forums getting info from SS but I do see some irony in it. It would be nice if we could share resources between the forums and have an open and transparent relationship with them. The fact we don't feels rooted in some not so great complexities. Some of which are understandable. Others less so. End of the day though we do have a somewhat symbiotic relationship whether amicable or not.

At least we, as a forum have shown some worth in that relationship here and I do hope it's appreciated and considered in the times where some animosity rears it's head. Not that I'm trying to paint a picture that we're alwaya at loggerheads. Just that we operate at different frequencies of the same wavelength and feedback distortion can occur as as a result. (ooh, I made a fancy apt analogy. ) Go on sound technicians, piss on my chips. I'm sure it doesn't hold up for one technicality or another lol.

 

[Tortured Existence]

Nice one for keeping us updated with the thread you opened @wljourney and thank you to @Soon i will be gone for relaying info from over the road. Honestly I don't really mind exit forums getting info from SS but I do see some irony in it. It would be nice if we could share resources between the forums and have an open and transparent relationship with them. The fact we don't feels rooted in some not so great complexities. Some of which are understandable. Others less so. End of the day though we do have a somewhat symbiotic relationship whether amicable or not.

At least we, as a forum have shown some worth in that relationship here and I do hope it's appreciated and considered in the times where some animosity rears it's head. Not that I'm trying to paint a picture that we're alwaya at loggerheads. Just that we operate at different frequencies of the same wavelength and feedback distortion can occur as as a result. (ooh, I made a fancy apt analogy. ) Go on sound technicians, piss on my chips. I'm sure it doesn't hold up for one technicality or another lol.

I ended up having to use this forum because Exit denied me access to theirs. I've been a member for a second time, subscribe to the PPeH, and subscribe to snippets. They said I met all the criteria but refused me access to the forum. I was literally in tears. They say access is at their discretion, but I don't know what they have against me.

I needed some questions answered because I didn't join to plan 10 years from now. I'm tired of living in misery and want to exit NOW!

After reading some posts here, I'm now concerned that my N is not real. Sending it off to Spain for testing isn't something that PN covers anywhere. Customs is a major stumbling block.

This group has been a life saver, not literally

 

[Musketeer]

Suspicion that someone ordered drugs online is not an exigent circumstance that allows police to enter a home without a warrant. If it was, there would be no need for warrants in any circumstance.

Don't give out legal advice online based on Google searches. You're likely to do more harm than good.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-police-warrants/2021/03/24/38bb9ed2-8cda-11eb-9423-04079921c915_story.html

Interesting how i found this, it would appear that police can use extigent circumsances in "community care-taking" roles, Based on the original comment i responded to as well as the op's words, it would seem that police can and have used this as an excuse to seize peoples N, and perform a wellness check on that person.

 

[wljourney]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-police-warrants/2021/03/24/38bb9ed2-8cda-11eb-9423-04079921c915_story.html

Interesting how i found this, it would appear that police can use extigent circumsances in "community care-taking" roles, Based on the original comment i responded to as well as the op's words, it would seem that police can and have used this as an excuse to seize peoples N, and perform a wellness check on that person.

That's a really interesting article. Thanks for sharing!

After reading some posts here, I'm now concerned that my N is not real. Sending it off to Spain for testing isn't something that PN covers anywhere. Customs is a major stumbling block.

If you can get it tested, please do (and share results if you can), but I really would like to stop this next "frenzy" from taking over.

I can already see multiple people anxiously worrying about "what if".

Let's be realistic:
- there has been no report on N suddenly being something else/not being real.
- Many have used N successfully.
- Not a single person has come back and complained of N not working.
- @Beer_is_all_I_have has tested the recent "batch" by using it for sleep and after a few runs they confirmed it was very likely the real thing.
- Is it possible that D switched the product and now sells a fake? Yes.
- Is it LIKELY? No!

Let's not get distracted by conjecture.

 

[YourNeighbor]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-police-warrants/2021/03/24/38bb9ed2-8cda-11eb-9423-04079921c915_story.html

Interesting how i found this, it would appear that police can use extigent circumsances in "community care-taking" roles, Based on the original comment i responded to as well as the op's words, it would seem that police can and have used this as an excuse to seize peoples N, and perform a wellness check on that person.

Nothing in that article suggests police can enter your home without a warrant merely on suspicion someone purchased N. NOTHING.

The article you linked is about a case that is PENDING at the Supreme Court, where no decision has been issued. But even under the so-called "community caretaking exception," there would have to be a credible threat that someone is about to harm themselves for police to enter a home, and ostensibly the purposeof entry would be to secure the person who may be suicidal, not to conduct a general search for contraband. Mere possession of means that can be used to suicide (say, owning a gun, or a suspicion of N, as the case may be) would NOT be enough for police to enter a home without a warrant, even under this proposed exception. And even now, if police thinks someone is about to be harmed in a home, they may enter. Please, stop pretending to be a lawyer. I don't think you're ill-intentioned, but your misinformation could harm someone.

 

[hankbank3928]

That's a really interesting article. Thanks for sharing!

If you can get it tested, please do (and share results if you can), but I really would like to stop this next "frenzy" from taking over.

I can already see multiple people anxiously worrying about "what if".

Let's be realistic:
- there has been no report on N suddenly being something else/not being real.
- Many have used N successfully.
- Not a single person has come back and complained of N not working.
- @Beer_is_all_I_have has tested the recent "batch" by using it for sleep and after a few runs they confirmed it was very likely the real thing.
- Is it possible that D switched the product and now sells a fake? Yes.
- Is it LIKELY? No!

Let's not get distracted by conjecture.

@wljourney Thanks for all your posts, really appreciate them!

 

[justagreenleaf]

Eff it I might still order anyway just for peace of mind "in case it works".

 

[Musketeer]

Nothing in that article suggests police can enter your home without a warrant merely on suspicion someone purchased N. NOTHING.

The article you linked is about a case that is PENDING at the Supreme Court, where no decision has been issued. But even under the so-called "community caretaking exception," there would have to be a credible threat that someone is about to harm themselves for police to enter a home, and ostensibly the purposeof entry would be to secure the person who may be suicidal, not to conduct a general search for contraband. Mere possession of means that can be used to suicide (say, owning a gun, or a suspicion of N, as the case may be) would NOT be enough for police to enter a home without a warrant, even under this proposed exception. And even now, if police thinks someone is about to be harmed in a home, they may enter. Please, stop pretending to be a lawyer. I don't think you're ill-intentioned, but your misinformation could harm someone.

Chief Justice John Roberts authored a concurring opinion, which Justice Stephen Breyer joined, to clarify that the Court's decision does not disturb the Court's holding in Brigham City v. Stuart, 547 U.S. 398 (2006), that a peace officer does not need a warrant to enter a home in situations where there is a "need to assist persons who are seriously injured or threatened with such injury."

in the same case i brought up my friend
Caniglia v. Strom

In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court held that police may enter a building without a warrant when they have an objectively reasonable basis to believe that an occupant is "seriously injured or threatened with such injury." Quoting from Mincey v. Arizona, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that "[t]he need to protect or preserve life or avoid serious injury is justification for what would be otherwise illegal absent an exigency or emergency."
Brigham City v. Stuart

based on both of these findings, what the op posted, and the fact this forum is getting public attention it can be reasonable to assume that it can cause suspicion that buying n might be enough basis for people to assume that you could be a danger to yourself. Police CAN enter your home under community caretaking exception i have posted 2 supreme court cases Caniglia v. Strom, which does limit seizures win regards to the community care taking exception but it was also reaffirmed in Brigham City v. Stuart that police can still enter the home when "seriously injured or threatened with such injury". the latter case was also cited in Mincey v. Arizona. Based on the findings of the courts yes police can enter your home if you are deemed to be a danger to yourself or others. Have a nice day sir I will no longer respond to you in regards to this issue.

 

[NobodyKnowsMe]

The Supreme Court case mentioned is no longer a PENDING case. It was finalized May 17 2021. They ruled that the officers were NOT justified in removing the guns under the 'community caretaking exception' to the 4th Amendment warrant requirement

Caniglia v. Strom

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