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[Chinaski]

Pph says as long you don't break the seal

The seal being the metal strip? Because, obviously, there'll be a puncture left in the rubber.

 

[Lovemykids]

The needle is very tiny and the rubber type is not the one leaving the hole
Its pretty safe

 

[Fcancer]

The needle is very tiny and the rubber type is not the one leaving the hole
Its pretty safe

Did you buy a kit from exit as you can over 50 is it??

 

[Goldie]

Do u drink alcohol without mix? Then don't worry have some test sample u will get used to it

Alcohol speeds up the action of the drug, it does not reduce its effectiveness. I remember reading that someone took it at Dignitas.

 

[Schopenhauer]

Does lidocaine kill the taste buds? I know whenever my dentist used it, it tasted NASTY.

That's interesting. Later this week I'll look into methods of decreasing taste bud sensitivity. Maybe I should start by burning my tongue with hot coffee :)

 

[Goldie]

That's interesting. Later this week I'll look into methods of decreasing taste bud sensitivity. Maybe I should start by burning my tongue with hot coffee :)

Or water spicy food haha. Travel to Xichuan in China which notorious for very very spicy food.

Once in China my food was so spicy I actually started to cry spicy tears!

 

[BBMak]

Don't be stupid. Don't skip the antiemetic.

 

[Arak]

@Chinaski post #42

Chronic alcohol use can cause cross tolerance ? I can try digging through those PDFs myself, but does he elaborate to what that means in the real world ? Would you need a higher dose of N, or need to add something ? I don't have much alcohol tolerance as such, but I have a major tolerance to some sedatives ... once I could take a very high dose of chloral hydrate for sleep, and these days I have a very high tolerance to medical sedatives. Including the dreaded incredibly potent clonazepam.

 

[Chinaski]

I can't answer this for you without looking at the pph. I too suffer paradoxical effects from sedatives (benzos give me sleep paralysis and cause brain zaps as I'm drifting off to sleep, which keep me awake; opioids make me nauseous for several days after but don't relax me, gabapentin is like an amphetamine) so I'd be interested to know more too.

 

[Arak]

@Chinaski ,

I just looked through the most recent version, performing a 'search' for 'alcohol', 'cross tolerance' or even 'chronic'. I also read what might have been relevant passages. Then I checked the PPeH Aug 2018. Nothing, just references to the concept of tolerance.

Perhaps you got that information elsewhere ?

 

[am0]

I have read the answers to similar questions asked on the PPH forums.

Chronic alcohol use has been known to affect the enzymes in the liver to an extent that the N might not work properly, he said in the PPH that increasing the dose might not even help in these instance.

With the talk of anti-emetics, there is nowhere that it has been said you are certain to throw up if you don't take them. It just seems like a good precaution since dying is the last thing you are ever going to have to do, and it is a relatively easy step.

That being said, I would not drink beer before taking N, it will bloat you and not go well in your stomach. Alcohol like whisky or brandy with a more concentrated alcohol content is actually somewhat recommended, as the effects of the N is enhanced (and many drugs) when combined with alcohol.

 

[Arak]

@am0 , thank you. So it's only alcohol, not benzodiazepines or other sedatives ?

 

[Chinaski]

In the chapter about Nembutal administration it refers to chronic alcohol use being a factor in the recorded failures. Up to you how you interpret that.

 

[Arak]

In the chapter about Nembutal administration it refers to chronic alcohol use being a factor in the recorded failures. Up to you how you interpret that.

Checked, and you're right. it's also mentioned as cross tolerance. Just no references to other sedatives, which raises questions. Damn ...

 

[am0]

@am0 , thank you. So it's only alcohol, not benzodiazepines or other sedatives ?

They can't mention everything in the world. They are not going to list things that DON'T cause a tolerance.

However, from my bulls**t not being a doctor advice, I probably would wean myself off anything that gets metabolised by the liver prior to N.

 

[Arak]

@Chinaski ,

We don't have a proper N megathread to discus all the effects, do we ?

@am0 ,

For me, not an option. Docs messed me up real good.

I don't trust doctors. Or at least, I'm skeptical. Doctors ... those prescription drugs we prescribe are safe ... no, not a serious problem.

I did a little research.
Cross tolerance between benzodiazepines, alcohol and pentobarbital/N.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/009130578690050X
On the other hand, while chlordiazepoxide treatment conferred full cross-tolerance to ethanol and pentobarbital, only partial cross-tolerance to chlordiazepoxide was observed following treatment with ethanol or pentobarbital.'

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Pentobarbital
'
Tolerance and withdrawal
The prolonged use of barbiturates leads to tolerance. Also, cross-tolerance between barbiturates and benzodiazepines can be presented, since both drugs act through the GABA receptors. Hence, it is suggested that a period of 3–4 weeks of withdrawal can reverse the tolerance and this process is indeed needed for having one's attempt be a reliable one. As with all intoxication procedures, it is recommended that all consumption of medications that do not affect judgement be stopped some time in advance to drug ingestion, as well as consumption of alcohol and narcotics. Anti-psychotics have been mentioned as one confounding factor in failed or prolonged attempts, according to The Peaceful Pill Handbook. '

(not going to work for me)

I'd guess that 12 gr would work for me, but certain ?

 

[Chinaski]

@Chinaski ,

We don't have a proper N megathread to discus all the effects, do we ?

@am0 ,

For me, not an option. Docs messed me up real good.

I don't trust doctors. Or at least, I'm skeptical. Doctors ... those prescription drugs we prescribe are safe ... no, not a serious problem.

I did a little research.
Cross tolerance between benzodiazepines, alcohol and pentobarbital/N.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/009130578690050X
On the other hand, while chlordiazepoxide treatment conferred full cross-tolerance to ethanol and pentobarbital, only partial cross-tolerance to chlordiazepoxide was observed following treatment with ethanol or pentobarbital.'

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Pentobarbital
'
Tolerance and withdrawal
The prolonged use of barbiturates leads to tolerance. Also, cross-tolerance between barbiturates and benzodiazepines can be presented, since both drugs act through the GABA receptors. Hence, it is suggested that a period of 3–4 weeks of withdrawal can reverse the tolerance and this process is indeed needed for having one's attempt be a reliable one. As with all intoxication procedures, it is recommended that all consumption of medications that do not affect judgement be stopped some time in advance to drug ingestion, as well as consumption of alcohol and narcotics. Anti-psychotics have been mentioned as one confounding factor in failed or prolonged attempts, according to The Peaceful Pill Handbook. '

(not going to work for me)

I'd guess that 12 gr would work for me, but certain ?

We don't have a megathread for N effects, that's true, but this is possibly because nobody lives to tell the tale. It'd probably gain as much traction as a "effects of jumping off beachy head" megathread.

 

[ArtsyDrawer]

I'm trying to get any information on Metoclopramide. All I'm seeing on eBay and Amazon are expiration stickers and books. eBay offers anagraine, though, which I'm not sure how potent (or useful for that matter) is.

 

[EndofMyRope]

I'm trying to get any information on Metoclopramide. All I'm seeing on eBay and Amazon are expiration stickers and books. eBay offers anagraine, though, which I'm not sure how potent (or useful for that matter) is.

I believe it's sold as primperan on eBay. Also, you might want to post this as a stand alone thread in the forum as the person who started this thread turned out to be a huge creep and has been banned.

 

[OkTotti]

yeah, why would you revive this thread? it should be closed

 

[Chinaski]

yeah, why would you revive this thread? it should be closed

It got revived because l posted a link to some posts in it which still have value, in a separate thread about anti-emetics. The fact that the OP is an immense piece of shit doesn't devalue the rest of the contributions.

 

[Pegasus]

ANY SN information is useful to me, whether the OP sucks or not.

 

[Arak]

I can't answer this for you without looking at the pph. I too suffer paradoxical effects from sedatives (benzos give me sleep paralysis and cause brain zaps as I'm drifting off to sleep, which keep me awake; opioids make me nauseous for several days after but don't relax me, gabapentin is like an amphetamine) so I'd be interested to know more too.

I know it's an old post.

Are you concerned about paradoxical/ineffective effects to N ? As I've stated before, I'm not quite sure N will work for me but there's nothing I can do about that,

 

[Chinaski]

I'm pretty sure two bottles of N will kill me, but would prefer some info re paradoxical effects just to put my mind at ease, but this info is not readily available and it's very likely that I'm simply overthinking it tbh.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm pretty sure two bottles of N will kill me, but would prefer some info re paradoxical effects just to put my mind at ease, but this info is not readily available and it's very likely that I'm simply overthinking it tbh.

I think you are. No person ever who announced their exit with N in this forum ever came back. You just need to make sure to drink all of it. You will fall asleep and die as long as you aren't found.

 

[Chinaski]

I think you are. No person ever who announced their exit with N in this forum ever came back. You just need to make sure to drink all of it. You will fall asleep and die as long as you aren't found.

Yeah, l think you're right. Dwelling on paradoxical effects of N is like wondering if cyanide will grant me eternal life.

 

[Arak]

@Chinaski , well I know that unlike benzos barbs act not just on GABA, also on glutamate and other thinsg as well. Better odds, nothing is guaranteed I guess. Especially if you haven't received the N yet ...