I think your problem is you only drank one bottle, and you puked most of it out. Doesn't the PPeH always recommend at least 2 bottles? I read too many failures about people only drinking one bottle. And you probably used a weak AE, why didn't you get meto? You could post the exact type of AE you took, so people can offer some more specific advice
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- Jul 22, 2019
- 368
The PPH states one bottle is fine in the majority of cases. The extra bottle is just for speeding up the time until death and is recommended if you can afford it. The thing you need to ensure most is having a solid 24h alone as medical intervention is the main cause of survival.
The OP did use metoclopramide which is the best anti emetic you can use for N as it also speeds up gastric emptying (he just stated the brand name Maxolan)
It isn't really common to throw up nembutal and the anti emetic is more of a precaution than an absolute necessity but given the price of N and reduced risk you should use one.
You are right though OP threw it up, I assume quickly after being unconscious which is why the attempt most likely failed. Its also a good idea to sit in a chair or at an angle to reduce the chances of throwing up while unconscious as you see in Dignitas videos )
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Are there other cases of N failing? I have heard of SN failing but never N.
How can ones waste N by not showing determination and improvise off-track, given that the guidelines of the administratiin have been detailed at length. It puzzles me.
It seems that there are too many failures when it comes to using one bottle, though your reason was probably because of puking. Some people don't even use meto or AE and seem to be able to CTB on N. I think two bottles are best though
peacefulhorizons
Wizard
- Dec 31, 2019
- 676
I personally have barely heard of any failures with one bottle. Two bottles is definitely more reliable though.
I'm definitely not taking any chances. I want to die as quickly as possible. No way I'm taking just one
what you talking about, the PPeH says one bottle can kill 2 people.
Although I will also take 1.5-2 I think. but just to be on the safe side.
Things have been updated since then. If not in the pph itself, on the Exit forums for sure. It is recommended to use 2 bottles. They say 10g of N and one bottle of vetinary N is just over 6g. It would probably work for a frail elderly sick person but may not for many.
Yeah this. If two people shared a bottle from D chances are they both survive. Again, I will not take that risk and just drink the two
So I believe OPs story. I have N and did a taste test. It is awful, but I don't think chugging it quickly and then having a chaser would be a problem. The recommendations around coating with honey or using mouthwash before would likely help.
I think someone determined wouldn't have a problem getting it down with and antiemetic. My reading of the story is that he tried to take it slowly and add flavouring. Think of it as doing tequila shots, and I think you'll be fine.
Also to everyone reacting to the taste aspect. An alternative that would work would be pouring it into your ass. I'm not joking, it would work. Would be a weird way to find your body though.
I think someone determined wouldn't have a problem getting it down with and antiemetic. My reading of the story is that he tried to take it slowly and add flavouring. Think of it as doing tequila shots, and I think you'll be fine.
Also to everyone reacting to the taste aspect. An alternative that would work would be pouring it into your ass. I'm not joking, it would work. Would be a weird way to find your body though.
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Then why wouldn't they put it in the book? Maybe if a person survives 1 bottle, they are more likely to buy more to try again.
Because this are handpicked videos for the public.
Imagine, they would publish a Dignitas video with a 43 years old lady from Germany, who took 15 Gramm N ten years ago and was yelling "I am burning!" after swallowing it before she felt asleep 4 minutes later.
After the immediate yelling there was no sign of any pain, but if euthanasia groups would publish anything on video, which sounds or looks disturbing, they would lose many of their clients and would be under more massive pressure by governments. So handpicked stories and videos is the result, not only to protect their business model but also to protect their clients, that they do not lose this last resort.
The Helium desaster of Dignitas is a good example, how a pieceful methode will be removed from an euthanasia group, because the videos have been so disturbing to the prosecuter due to mistakes they made and what was leaked to the press, that they never again will use it.
So the gas method is dead for whole Europe. Never again one euthanasia group will use it here. Nitschke's hope is with the Sarco and his connections to Switzerland.
The only remaining peaceful N method must be protected at all costs.
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Tbf The vids I've seen showed that they at the very keast found the taste disgusting. The one guy is dry wretching at first and they're alternating between two drinks for him to drink from due to the taste. He is drinking through a straw due to his health condition. They have to keep odfering it up to him so he'll drink it quick enough. Once he gets it down though he's fine and his wife sits beside it. I forget if they had music playing oe something but he isn't distressed. He admitted being scared when they made the trip but there and then in the moment he handles it well and goes peacefully and seemingly very quickly. This wasn't at dignitas. This was at a seemingly independent set up as it was at a home style property. It was run professionally though. The guy that provided the N had a whole protocol for things and called the police as lart of it to report a dead body. He filmed everything for their benefit. Maybe he was working on behalf of dignitas or the like but it wasn't mentioned and I would imagine a nicer location if that the case.
Peter Smedley had a decent one and he noted the terrible taste too.
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I'm still puzzled over why pph authors don't write more on the lethal dose. Many can't afford 2 bottles. Why not add more in depth info? But no, they'd rather put watermarks on the pages to screw desperate people :)
I think they say 10g for N.
PN posts on social media and the Exit forums and I think essentially there's a large part of things that are business based unfortunately.
PN posts on social media and the Exit forums and I think essentially there's a large part of things that are business based unfortunately.
lol so they intentionally don't tell truth in the book
Two bottles, pray you don't puke, and give yourself 24 hours to not be found = you would need a miracle to end up being alive
nah. I'm not worried about the taste. I'd drink my own piss if I had to
Me either. I was referring to the SI making it hard to drink it
Gonna much worse than drink your own piss.
I don't think the pph intentionally write lies in their book. They just don't edit as diligently as they could and maybe should.
When I first started reading about it there was usually talk of using one bottle but then as things progressed with placed that are allowed to carry out euthanasia there seemed to be some issues propping up occasionally where the dose was too low and the consensus became 10-12g for the sake of being certain. The original lethal dose of N was pretty low. I forget exactly how low but it was under 5g if I remember correctly. Then certain cases after a bit of experience, displayed potential issues. It may be that Dignitas or the likes are the origin of the 10-12g benchmark and it's since been carried by word of moth through various platform so the reports/recommendations vary from publication to forum to app etc. Fact fo the matter is, that is the amount recommended for best certainty. If I do it I want to get it right as the alternative is unthinkable.
I don't think the pph intentionally write lies in their book. They just don't edit as diligently as they could and maybe should.
When I first started reading about it there was usually talk of using one bottle but then as things progressed with placed that are allowed to carry out euthanasia there seemed to be some issues propping up occasionally where the dose was too low and the consensus became 10-12g for the sake of being certain. The original lethal dose of N was pretty low. I forget exactly how low but it was under 5g if I remember correctly. Then certain cases after a bit of experience, displayed potential issues. It may be that Dignitas or the likes are the origin of the 10-12g benchmark and it's since been carried by word of moth through various platform so the reports/recommendations vary from publication to forum to app etc. Fact fo the matter is, that is the amount recommended for best certainty. If I do it I want to get it right as the alternative is unthinkable.
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blueclover_.
Better Never to Have Been: 2006, David Benatar
- Oct 11, 2021
- 669
These people were unsure to ctb and then blame the method when they survived even though they did the exact opposite of the protocols.
I wonder if there is any way to built resistance to the bad taste of N?
Could a soda type drink be made to replicate the taste of N that one can start drinking and build a liking\resistance for a period before eventually taking a lethal dose of N?
Could a soda type drink be made to replicate the taste of N that one can start drinking and build a liking\resistance for a period before eventually taking a lethal dose of N?
For the very brief period of drinking N i dont think it's worth extending the discomforts in it. I think itvwould be better to put efforts into finding a way to mask it if it's possible. Getting used to it isn't likely to be possible imho.
Yogobro298
Member
- Oct 13, 2021
- 27
I believe you're spot on here. Some will call this rude or harsh, but this sounds exactly like what happened in OP's case. And I don't think there is no shame in it. It takes immense courage and willpower to go through with it. It wouldn't surprise me if in a some cases it's not the method that's failing but the person can't actually go through with it and are too shameful to admit it.
