Discussion Medication/Substance Thread

[MatiSendiri]

Has anyone here stopped Latuda/lurasidone? I feel better without it but I think my move was rash and not recommended

I don't really know anyone using lurasidone, but did you experiencing withdrawal symptoms?

I think the best method for you is to tapering down your lurasidone. Based on here and here I'd suggest a really long and slow withdrawal to ensure you relapse to it.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I don't really know anyone using lurasidone, but did you experiencing withdrawal symptoms?

I think the best method for you is to tapering down your lurasidone. Based on here and here I'd suggest a really long and slow withdrawal to ensure you relapse to it.

I really didn't like the restless anxious feeling I got after taking it. I had to get up and walk around, my tongue couldn't rest in my mouth. I felt like shit before it and during so it didn't seem to change anything. I'm still so suicidal that if I told professionals they'd lock me up. But I am physically more comfortable without it. It's been 3 days and I was taking 60mg

 

[MatiSendiri]

I really didn't like the restless anxious feeling I got after taking it. I had to get up and walk around, my tongue couldn't rest in my mouth. I felt like shit before it and during so it didn't seem to change anything. I'm still so suicidal that if I told professionals they'd lock me up. But I am physically more comfortable without it. It's been 3 days and I was taking 60mg

Oh same experience with me. I am prescribed aripiprazole (antipsychotic, same class as lurasidone) and sometimes my tongue feel numb and felt like shit. But once I get trihexphenydil the symptoms just rarely happens (although its still there)

Here's my recommendation to your situation:
1. I'd suggest to take it trihex to counter the lurasidone side effects. You can consult this to your psychiatrist.
2. Stop it cold turkey style. Dangerous but may work. Please report your condition to your psychiatrist if you try this method.
3. Tapering off like in my first reply.

 

[bipolar22]

How much bromazepam i need then to taper of 10 mg ativan dependency? Alao my arms all cut up so I beat send my gf to thr doctor. They nake her do a pissntest confirming she isnt even on the shitm best to wait till I oukr ans shaken and go myself.. get telerred on volium for 6 months. Off 3 week use. Becuse the fuckers only gice me arivan and I csnt twper with this short half life ahit. Classic doctors eh

 

[uselessmanz]

I have risperidone already prescribed to me. Can I use that as a antimetic? If so, how much do I take before the SN in terms of a 48 hour protocol? Please help!!

I ask because Stan's guide said you could.

 

[nitrogenous]

Do you know if taking SN with electrolytes (such as gatorade or Powerade) would interact/interfere with the SN absorption process? I know it's not meant to be taken with milk or alcohol due to how it will induce vomit, but I'm not too sure about electrolytes as it's basically clear water with some additional ions.

Do you also happen to know if taking Clonidine maybe 30 minutes before would be a bad idea as well? It is one of the meds that would always effectively make me feel drowsy and drop my blood pressure within an hour, and I thought perhaps this might help with the peacefulness and losing consciousness quicker?

Thank you :)

 

[LittleJem]

Diphenhydramine and melatonin: I found a case study, will post it here....How bad would this be?

Case Report of Lethal Concentrations of the Over-the-Counter Sleep Aids Diphenhydramine and Melatonin - PMC

Over-the-counter (OTC) medications are not typically considered “drugs of abuse” by the public, yet they are implicated in a portion of overdose cases. Although the toxicity of some OTC medications (such as acetaminophen, aspirin, and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[MatiSendiri]

How much bromazepam i need then to taper of 10 mg ativan dependency? Alao my arms all cut up so I beat send my gf to thr doctor. They nake her do a pissntest confirming she isnt even on the shitm best to wait till I oukr ans shaken and go myself.. get telerred on volium for 6 months. Off 3 week use. Becuse the fuckers only gice me arivan and I csnt twper with this short half life ahit. Classic doctors eh

First of all, good lord that's way too high of ativan use. Secondly, ngl your typing sucks man, almost unreadable.

Alr, back to the topic. I'd highly suggest you to start tapering with your most trusted physician. But since you have trauma with them and didn't trust most of them, what I'd suggest is this:

1. Both lorazepam and bromazepam is same short-to-intermediate half life benzos (based on here)
2. Using conversion of benzodiazepine to diazepam, 10 mg of ativan equals to 50 mg of diazepam. Converting them back into bromazepam equals 30mg of bromazepam
3. Using the tapering guideline for benzodiazepines, it was recommended to take 5% off benzos every 5-6 weeks.

So based on that, we can adjust this into:

Week 1: 30 mg of bromazepam (to make sure you're safely switching from ativan into bromazepam)
Week 2/3: 27 mg of bromazepam
Week 7/8: 24 mg
Week 12/13: 21 mg
Week 17/18: 18 mg
Week 22/23: 15 mg
Week 27/28: 12 mg
Week 32/33: 9 mg
Week 37/38: 6 mg
Week 42/43: 3 mg
Week 48/49: None

Here's my note on this one:
1. This is a very long tapering regime, as per all benzos tapering regime does
2. Idk about your condition to make sure you can even start this tapering. Please further consult to your most trusted physician to even consider starting this regime
3. GET A PARTNER. I can't stress this enough, you need someone to follow and help you through this journey. You can ask your gf, your family, whoever tf you can trust. This is a very hard thing to do and you certainly can't do this alone.

This is just my guided shot to help you start tapering your benzo addiction. I really can help you this much. Please find resources to further your chances to be free from your addiction. I hope you can successfully end this nightmare. Cheers and have a nice day mate!

I have risperidone already prescribed to me. Can I use that as a antimetic? If so, how much do I take before the SN in terms of a 48 hour protocol? Please help!!

I ask because Stan's guide said you could.

You can do it, but only in the most specific cases. 1 mg of risperidone is enough to stop vomiting (based on here).

But I mean, you can get the normal AEs, right? Why use risperidone if you can get them?

Do you know if taking SN with electrolytes (such as gatorade or Powerade) would interact/interfere with the SN absorption process? I know it's not meant to be taken with milk or alcohol due to how it will induce vomit, but I'm not too sure about electrolytes as it's basically clear water with some additional ions.

Do you also happen to know if taking Clonidine maybe 30 minutes before would be a bad idea as well? It is one of the meds that would always effectively make me feel drowsy and drop my blood pressure within an hour, and I thought perhaps this might help with the peacefulness and losing consciousness quicker?

Thank you :)

Tbf, I don't really find evidence that SN absorption would be impaired or enhanced with electrolyte (the closest I found is here), so I can't really say it's a yes or no. But I think you can take SN with electrolyte, just know that it probably does nothing to your SN absorption.

Clonidine though, can induce nausea and vomiting. But, it is considered a side effect and differs from everyone. If you didn't experience vomiting while taking clonidine, I'd wager that using them is helpful (or at least insignificant) to your SN method.

Diphenhydramine and melatonin: I found a case study, will post it here....How bad would this be?

Case Report of Lethal Concentrations of the Over-the-Counter Sleep Aids Diphenhydramine and Melatonin - PMC

Over-the-counter (OTC) medications are not typically considered “drugs of abuse” by the public, yet they are implicated in a portion of overdose cases. Although the toxicity of some OTC medications (such as acetaminophen, aspirin, and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I'd put this in the "could be" methods to go, same as amygdalin and vitamin c combination. New case, new method, and it seems peaceful enough to be comparable to SN. Sadly not enough scientific reason to explain it as much as amygdalin-vitamin C or even SN.

My guess is that this is highly potent as a method to go with. Both are relatively easy to acquire (rather than SN) and with similar or even better peacefulness than other methods. You can surely try it out. Thanks for finding this method.

 

[MatiSendiri]

Another bump for today (32)

 

[lovelulu]

Hi, I'm a pharmacy student and I'd like to answer your question about medication or substance. Ask anything really, and I answer it. I would also try as much as possible to post the source of my answer so you can explore more about that.

Why would I do this? Idk tbh. I was just bored and maybe I can help people in here. I'm also suffering from depression and still on my meds rn. There's definitely times when I feel really suicidal but situation has put me better rn.

If there's any professional here that'll notice that my answer is wrong, please correct it. I don't mind really. That's all, can't wait for your question.

Is there any over-the-counter medicine that can be fatal?

 

[MatiSendiri]

Is there any over-the-counter medicine that can be fatal?

Every otc medication can be fatal with enough doses. The question lays on how peaceful and quick it is to reach death.

Simplest answer: No, there are no otc medication that is lethal enough with the small enough time, agony, and success rate to go through it. They are designed to be safe and non-lethal by pharmaceutical companies. Most, if not all of the lethal drugs are on the prescription or illicit ones.

 

[MatiSendiri]

Diphenhydramine and melatonin: I found a case study, will post it here....How bad would this be?

Case Report of Lethal Concentrations of the Over-the-Counter Sleep Aids Diphenhydramine and Melatonin - PMC

Over-the-counter (OTC) medications are not typically considered “drugs of abuse” by the public, yet they are implicated in a portion of overdose cases. Although the toxicity of some OTC medications (such as acetaminophen, aspirin, and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Update for this one, I've made a separate thread discussing this one. Here's the link

 

[LastPenance]

What would the physical affects of od on valium be? Also, how likely is it to succeed on its own vs when taken with alcohol? What would the difference in physical affects be with and without alcohol?

 

[uselessmanz]

I listened to what you told me and got -

-Metoclopramide
-ondesatron
-propranolol

However, I only have 3.5mg of lorazepam, will that work for a painless CTB? How should I take the lorazepam in the protocol? Or should I swap it with something OTC?

Thanks

 

[neurotoxic]

is any of the anti-psychiatry/anti medication sentiment on here based in fact in your opinion?

 

[volo]

TY for your efforts in helping everyone here, that is very noble.

My questions:
1. PPeH's DDMAPh method (as a cardiac switch) calls for digoxin 100mg, Amitriptalyne 8g (I would take10g), diazepam 1g (I would take the equivalent 100mg of clonopin, in a form of 200 tables); Additionally, it calls for 15g of morphine and 5g of phenobarbital, neither of which I have.
Is the above sufficient, do we think? Or are M and Ph essential, and this ctb can not work without them? Could I use more of clonopin to substitute for M and Ph?

2. This will be a lot of pills: 400+200+130=730. All supposedly water soluble, but is this practically drinkable?

3. Does my daily use of ppi interfere with this at all? I'm thinking not.
4. As for my daily (lunchtime) use of miralax, which pulls water out of the gut- is it enough to skip it jut on that day, or should I skip it for a few days prior? Thx!!

 

[yellowdangerinesss]

Looked into buproprion! I'm 148lbs and have 13.8g of buproprion at my disposal. Also thinking of taking vyvanse and adderall with it. Would adding ibuprofen also help? Also thinking of ligature strangulation to help if I vomit so Ican just choke on my own vomit.

 

[virdzina]

Are you still here? (in either sense of the word lol)

 

[MatiSendiri]

Are you still here? (in either sense of the word lol)

Good news, I'm still here!
Due to college stuff I've only silently reading post in SS. I do want to come back here, but more rarely in the future.

What would the physical affects of od on valium be? Also, how likely is it to succeed on its own vs when taken with alcohol? What would the difference in physical affects be with and without alcohol?

Usual overdose on diazepam (Valium) includes sedation, respiratory depression, and up to coma. Generally, taking Valium with alcohol does amplify Valium's effect, but recorded cases do show that fatality is still rare. In general, only diazepam with alcohol is not a viable method (Source)

I listened to what you told me and got -

-Metoclopramide
-ondesatron
-propranolol

However, I only have 3.5mg of lorazepam, will that work for a painless CTB? How should I take the lorazepam in the protocol? Or should I swap it with something OTC?

Thanks

For SN method to knock you out, yeah it's enough. Usual dose of lorazepam is 0.5-2 mg. As for the SN protocol, you can swap oxazepam with lorazepam as it is the same class of drug (benzodiazepines)

is any of the anti-psychiatry/anti medication sentiment on here based in fact in your opinion?

Kinda. I get why psychiatry in general is hated due to incessant abuse in psychiatry itself. Mental health disorders are as much mental as physical goes, and psychiatry only focused on physical problem.

TY for your efforts in helping everyone here, that is very noble.

My questions:
1. PPeH's DDMAPh method (as a cardiac switch) calls for digoxin 100mg, Amitriptalyne 8g (I would take10g), diazepam 1g (I would take the equivalent 100mg of clonopin, in a form of 200 tables); Additionally, it calls for 15g of morphine and 5g of phenobarbital, neither of which I have.
Is the above sufficient, do we think? Or are M and Ph essential, and this ctb can not work without them? Could I use more of clonopin to substitute for M and Ph?

2. This will be a lot of pills: 400+200+130=730. All supposedly water soluble, but is this practically drinkable?

3. Does my daily use of ppi interfere with this at all? I'm thinking not.
4. As for my daily (lunchtime) use of miralax, which pulls water out of the gut- is it enough to skip it jut on that day, or should I skip it for a few days prior? Thx!!

1. DDMAPh protocol calls for two classes, sedatives and cardiac switch drugs. IMO, as long as you have cardiac drugs available enough, any sedatives will do. So I think it's enough.
2. This is the problem for CTB using pills, too much pills to ingest to successfully CTB. It will be hard, but if you tried to eat fast enough, it will be at least possible.
3. No not really, PPI at therapeutic dose is not enough to interfere with this.
4. As Miralax (polyethylene glycol) only focuses in the stomach, you can skip it just for that day.

Looked into buproprion! I'm 148lbs and have 13.8g of buproprion at my disposal. Also thinking of taking vyvanse and adderall with it. Would adding ibuprofen also help? Also thinking of ligature strangulation to help if I vomit so Ican just choke on my own vomit.

Bupropion just are not enough to be used for CTB, plain and simple. Vyvanse (lixdesamphetamine) and adderall (amphetamine salt) kinda enough to do that, depends on the dose.
I can't really say anything about strangulation since I'm not learning enough about that yet, so no comment about that.

 

[MatiSendiri]

What happens if u take too much antidepressants ? Could it kill you ? Desvenlafaxine and Hydroxyzine?

Every medication can kill you at high enough doses, its just that some are not worth it trying. Antidepressants, especially selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) is much safer at overdose. Most of the cases with SSRI overdose only have serotonin syndrome, seizures, and coma as serous outcomes, and not death. That's why they're not a viable method by any means.

 

[MatiSendiri]

Can u overdose on wellbutrin alone ?

Not at all mate. Sorry about that

 

[MatiSendiri]

Well the only reason I ask is my aunt successfully overdosed and died but she must of took something else with it

Medication overdose needs something to combine with it, such as the DDMAPh method from PPH. I'd suggest you stock up some meds to plan to do it.

Do not, I repeat do not, take medication randomly when you are in a depressive state. It can lead to organ failure and more suffering for you later on.

 

[ctb_warrior]

Medication overdose needs something to combine with it, such as the DDMAPh method from PPH. I'd suggest you stock up some meds to plan to do it.

Do not, I repeat do not, take medication randomly when you are in a depressive state. It can lead to organ failure and more suffering for you later on.

Hey bro, hello from India. I have a question, as someone who has failed at OD a good number of times. I wish to know is it possible to make cocktail of OTC meds to OD successfully?
I have tried oxetol+multi vitamins
I have tried ativan 40 strips
I have mixed clonazepam, nexito, clozapine
They only knocked me off temporarily

 

[MatiSendiri]

Hey bro, hello from India. I have a question, as someone who has failed at OD a good number of times. I wish to know is it possible to make cocktail of OTC meds to OD successfully?
I have tried oxetol+multi vitamins
I have tried ativan 40 strips
I have mixed clonazepam, nexito, clozapine
They only knocked me off temporarily

OTC meds are far more safer than you think, so no, no chance at all.

Well unless if you want a long and painful death due to hepatic or renal failure then go ahead.

 

[ctb_warrior]

OTC meds are far more safer than you think, so no, no chance at all.

Well unless if you want a long and painful death due to hepatic or renal failure then go ahead.

Haha no no I'm not looking for a long and painful death..i want something fast and something that doesn't require any setup.
I had a strip of escitalopram+clonazepam once, my father found out and he seized it. I was planning to collect them for OD time.

 

[MatiSendiri]

Haha no no I'm not looking for a long and painful death..i want something fast and something that doesn't require any setup.
I had a strip of escitalopram+clonazepam once, my father found out and he seized it. I was planning to collect them for OD time.

Good for you. I hope it all works out at the end.

 

[ctb_warrior]

Good for you. I hope it all works out at the end.

Currently I do not have any method. So, don't know how to CTB. My constraint: i live with family and they know I'm suicidal, so I cannot sneak in any suspicious object like rope, plastic bag, or anything. And getting these prescription meds has become increasingly difficult in India. So I'm clueless.

 

[MatiSendiri]

Currently I do not have any method. So, don't know how to CTB. My constraint: i live with family and they know I'm suicidal, so I cannot sneak in any suspicious object like rope, plastic bag, or anything. And getting these prescription meds has become increasingly difficult in India. So I'm clueless.

Sorry about your experience mate.

 

[ctb_warrior]

Sorry about your experience mate.

It's ok .

 

[MatiSendiri]

Another bump for today (33)