Looks like it's over. Trump wins.

[Deleted member 8119]

Remember kids, killing undeveloped cells is always morally correct if the parents consent. Their life has the only worth the parents give to it.

And yes, I don't deny if life starts at conception, because it doesn't matter. To pretend all life is the same is unbelievably stupid.

Also if abortions end up getting banned look where it's safe to get one, always follow health regulations. The pro-life crowd can't win. And they can't control you all. There's usually a way around.

Also as Dot said, even in the rare chance that wasn't bait, it's aggressive behavior that should be warned at least. How has this user be allowed to fill 4 pages of targeted incendiary content?

 

[Azora]

Yeah people who express anti-choice sentiment here ususally don't last that long. It's been the rule for years that you're allowed to express yourself in this forum if you don't proletyze or impose anti-choice views. We're a pro-choice community in case you didn't notice. The last time you logged in and posted on this forum was on April 18, so it's clear you just came here to smear into everyone's face what the repercussions are gonna be of a Trump presidency and I'm not gonna tolerate that.

Also, a fetus is not a person but that's not very surprising you say that because not one single person who has opposed abortion so far has been able to speak to me in a sound manner and I've spoken to many anti-abortion advocates over the years. You're also not killing a fetus, you're aborting them. Death is merely the side-effect of the procedure of removing an unwanted organism from your body.



"I will sign a new federal order instructing all federal agencies to cease all programs that promote the concept of sex and gender transition at any age.", "I will ask congress to establish a bill that the only genders recognised by the United States goverment are male and female and they are assigned at birth", "we will protect the rights of parents from being forced to to allows their minor child to assume a gender which is new and and an identity without the parents consent", etc. He also invalidates the concept of being trans in general right at the very end. He is spouting pro-suicide policies.



I rest my case. Additionally, I made my case for trans rights in these threads, supported with scientific evidence:

Saudi trans woman took her own life after being forced to de-transition by her family.

A trans person took her own life. Eden Knight committed suicide because her family forced her to detransition, that means this suicide is the result of her abusive enviroment. This case went viral because of the horrific circumstances that led to her suicide. And it's not the first time this has...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Oklahoma tries banning gender care under age 26.

I've already warned you repeatedly about this in the past and here we have it, the first state now tries banning trans-affirming care for adults under 26 years old. That's a huge problem because with the biological clock ticking, there is a general rule when it comes to transition - the earlier...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Additional studies:

Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth

There are no large-scale studies examining mental health among transgender and nonbinary youth who receive gender-affirming hormone therapy (GAHT). The purpose of this study is to examine associations among access to GAHT with depression, thoughts of suicide, and attempted suicide among a large...

www.jahonline.org

Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes

This study evaluates associations between gender-affirming surgeries and mental health outcomes, including psychological distress, substance use, and suicide risk.

jamanetwork.com

Policies that target adults are bad enough but children, that comes with fatal consequences as they are more vulnerable and more at risk of self-harm and suicide if they're not properly supported, especially if they are trans. Is that too controversial? Well, too bad but that's the scientific position and Trump's announced policies WILL increase the suicide rate among trans youth. Also, rest in peace Leelah Alcorn. I can do this all day, but this time is better invested watching paint dry.

Yeah, I guess I didn't notice it was a "pro-choice community" because that was never actually stated and you made it up just now. People have openly discussed abortion on this forum on both sides countless times. But I guess it's different now because you're personally upset about the election results.

A fetus is most certainly a person. Personhood begins at conception and most moral people would agree on the importance of bioethics as it is a hallmark of every civilized society. And yes, aborting a fetus is killing it. A fetus is a living thing.

As for that Trump video, this reiterates my point. Trump was speaking about performing sex change operations specifically on children, which is something almost everyone agrees is immoral. Minors do not have the capacity to consent to irrevecable procedures like puberty blocking and castration.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

You have made several posts now calling me a "troll" while simultaneously posting just to make personal attacks. Have some self-awareness. And I never said I was a victim I really don't care what you think.

I don't think calling you a troll constitutes you being bullied. Especially since I wasn't calling you that out of nowhere, but rather the response was prompted by you continually posting stuff that makes it come off as though you are purposely trying to get a rise out of others. Don't want to get called a troll? Then don't go onto a thread where people are distressed as a result of the election and make posts about your love of Trump and about how you are oppressed because you are a white Christian. Everything that is happening right now is your own doing. You could easily have stopped posting under this thread this entire time, yet you choose to keep on engaging with it.

 

[Dot]

Yeah, I guess I didn't notice it was a "pro-choice community" because that was never actually stated and you made it up just now. People have openly discussed abortion on this forum on both sides countless times. But I guess it's different now because you're personally upset about the election results.

A fetus is most certainly a person. Personhood begins at conception and most moral people would agree on the importance of bioethics as it is a hallmark of every civilized society. And yes, aborting a fetus is killing it. A fetus is a living thing.

As for that Trump video, this reiterates my point. Trump was speaking about performing sex change operations specifically on children, which is something almost everyone agrees is immoral. Minors do not have the capacity to consent to irrevecable procedures like puberty blocking and castration.

Plnty of ppl hve opposng opinns w/o talkng dwn 2 ppl & prosltyzng

& fyi proseltyzng = agnst th/ rles & ppl wh/ tke joy in distrssng suicdl ppl r nt welcme on SaSu & tht = *obvsly* wht u r doin

Persnhd begns @ conceptn ---in ur opinn-- bt if u r nt trollng u r nt showng enuf slf awrenss 2 recgnise tht or hve n.e respct fr othr membrs opinns or belifs

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

Ppl wth diffrnt vws r oftn givn spce on frum bt imo = diffrnt whn persn postng obvsly gves 0 sh*ts abt suicdl ppl & = obvsly only comng 2 frum 2dy in ordr 2 trll thm & thy r usng 'free spch' argmnts 2 gs-lght thr wy in2 provokng frightnd ppl in2 emotnl reactns

"Slf am goin2 vist th/ suicde ste 2dy fr 1st tme in 7 mnths bcse am s/ hppy"

Nt sciopathc b-havr @ all

Well they haven't been openly malicious about it so I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I've been the outsider with "controversial" views so just trying to be diplomatic and fair, especially when emotions are running high today. Even chalked up Azora only posting now to still could've been a coincidence, as it was possible. Up until R&S looked up when they actually last logged in to being today which is a giveaway of intent. No longer just suspicious and/or a by chance occurence so I concede

Loved your "What Would Jesus Do" comment on the bibles btw

Yeah, I guess I didn't notice it was a "pro-choice community" because that was never actually stated and you made it up just now. People have openly discussed abortion on this forum on both sides countless times. But I guess it's different now because you're personally upset about the election results.

A fetus is most certainly a person. Personhood begins at conception and most moral people would agree on the importance of bioethics as it is a hallmark of every civilized society. And yes, aborting a fetus is killing it. A fetus is a living thing.

As for that Trump video, this reiterates my point. Trump was speaking about performing sex change operations specifically on children, which is something almost everyone agrees is immoral. Minors do not have the capacity to consent to irrevecable procedures like puberty blocking and castration.

Are you confusing "pro-choice community" as being pro-abortion? Because it's meant as pro-choice for suicide. There's no claim to this site as being pro-choice regarding women's rights, just regarding suicide.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

A fetus is most certainly a person. Personhood begins at conception and most moral people would agree on the importance of bioethics as it is a hallmark of every civilized society. And yes, aborting a fetus is killing it. A fetus is a living thing.

I know.

Yet I don't care. Because consciousness affects morality.

One day, a pro-choice person will acknowledge abortion is some form of murder (not remotely comparable to real murder, with pain, with real people around you affected, and probably a way better life ahead than being unwanted and traumatized), and this argument will be of no use.

 

[Dot]

Well they haven't been openly malicious about it so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Tht = hw ppl lke tht wrk tho
'Am nt postng thngs agnst th/ rles' -- = ultim8 gs-lightng

I've been the outsider with "controversial" views so just trying to be diplomatic and fair, especially when emotions are running high today. Even chalked up Azora only posting now to still could've been a coincidence, as it was possible. Up until R&S looked up when they actually last logged in to being today when is a giveaway of intent. No longer just suspicious and/or a by chance occurence so I concede

Loved your "What Would Jesus Do" comment on the bibles btw

 

[untothedepths]

None of that is going to happen and there's no evidence that it would. This rhetoric is an exact copy of what progressives said in 2016. It's not real. Trump is not a supervillain here to kill all gay people, despite what reddit might have told you. But if you think I'm lying or naive just wait a while and see. It would make more sense to react to something happening rather than the fear of something happening in the future, no?.

during 2016 there wasnt a project 2025. there wasnt anything presented to the public like that. i was there.

and no one i talk to say the LGBT is going to be killed like a firing squad you are implying. thats twisting what i mentioned. people are going to have their rights eroded or outright taken away, if he picks people from the heritage foundation. why do you even refuse to acknowledge it exists.

 

[Thisisnotaname]

I'm so surprised that Kamilas votes aren't higher, I really thought she'd sweep the election

I'm not american but as I watched, she's enable to counter him from what he does. Maybe it's make a difference for american voters. If she can't do anything against him in campaign , what can she do against the "evil" world.

Because as we can see from where we are, america is supposed to rule the World.

I have no idea what it will happens but for what it count, if I were american, I had to vote Kamala

 

[RainAndSadness]

Yeah, I guess I didn't notice it was a "pro-choice community" because that was never actually stated and you made it up just now. People have openly discussed abortion on this forum on both sides countless times. But I guess it's different now because you're personally upset about the election results.

There are probably hundreds of posts where I specifically refer to this forum as pro-choice and studies that looked into our forum have called this forum pro-choice simply based on the nature of the discussions that happen in this forum, because news flash, supporting people's decision to act on their freedom is ususally considered pro-choice both in the context of abortion and suicide.

A fetus is most certainly a person. Personhood begins at conception and most moral people would agree on the importance of bioethics as it is a hallmark of every civilized society. And yes, aborting a fetus is killing it. A fetus is a living thing.

Wrong.

As for that Trump video, this reiterates my point. Trump was speaking about performing sex change operations specifically on children, which is something almost everyone agrees is immoral. Minors do not have the capacity to consent to irrevecable procedures like puberty blocking and castration.

Appeal to popularity is not a valid argument. I don't care how many people support a cruel policy. At a certain point in time, having slaves was the status quo and considered moral by the majority of those who had the right to have slaves. Minors cannot consent, that's why ususally in this procedure there are also parents and doctors involved. The common sense position when it comes to medical intervention for minors of any kind is, it's ususally a decision made by the child, the parent(s) and their doctors. I don't think the state should have a right to intervene in medical decisions but then again, not exactly surprising you'd support authoritarian policies given you've expressed unconditional support for Trump.

 

[illvoid]

Yeah, I guess I didn't notice it was a "pro-choice community" because that was never actually stated and you made it up just now. People have openly discussed abortion on this forum on both sides countless times. But I guess it's different now because you're personally upset about the election results.

A fetus is most certainly a person. Personhood begins at conception and most moral people would agree on the importance of bioethics as it is a hallmark of every civilized society. And yes, aborting a fetus is killing it. A fetus is a living thing.

As for that Trump video, this reiterates my point. Trump was speaking about performing sex change operations specifically on children, which is something almost everyone agrees is immoral. Minors do not have the capacity to consent to irrevecable procedures like puberty blocking and castration.

Pro-choice regarding suicide usually also means pro-choice regarding every other aspect of a person's bodily autonomy. We aren't just here because we're sad, we actually fucking stand for something.

 

[amnesia999]

Leave it to this election to bring the MAGAt's out of the woodwork.

Don't bother arguing with them, you won't get anywhere.

 

[ctb2soble]

Bruh.

White Christian and you're being discriminated against? Are you.. Are you trolling right now? He fumbled covid, fucked up the economy, made America a laughing stock, elected a couple of assholes in the Supreme Court who overturned Roe v Wade—the list goes on.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. 70 million people voted for this shitty diaper wearing asshole. But nah, it's white Christians' feelings we have to be worried about. The right hates LGBTQ people, minorities, women, disabled people. They wanna go back to the 1950s when only white Christian men had rights.

Don't worry. Soon, you'll be even more privileged than you are now. The rest of us are gonna become subhuman again. Yaaay, hate and bigotry won!

White people are definitely discriminated against in the US. Especially if you fit the unholy trifecta of being white, male, and straight. This isn't the 90s anymore.

If you're a minority you can get opportunities you don't deserve through diversity hiring which I abhore as a black woman who actually worked hard to get to where I am. White liberals will bend over backwards for you to scratch their save a minority complex. You can commit crimes and everyone will give you the benefit of the doubt because they just assume the cops are racist and/or corrupt. I could go on, but I will stop there.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

White people are definitely discriminated against in the US. Especially if you fit the unholy trifecta of being white, male, and straight. This isn't the 90s anymore.

If you're a minority you can get opportunities you don't deserve through diversity hiring which I abhore as a black woman who actually worked hard to get to where I am. White liberals will bend over backwards for you to scratch their save a minority complex. You can commit crimes and everyone will give you the benefit of the doubt because they just assume the cops are racist and/or corrupt. I could go on, but I will stop there.

I can't tell if you are joking or not.

 

[mafuyu]

there goes my birth control and hrt, was nice knowing it lmao

 

[Life'sA6itch]

Kind of drastic reasoning to cbt dont you think? You could move to another country if your unhappy with the US.

Lots of Americans live check to check and can barely afford life itself, let alone moving out of the country

Whats the matter though? Did he say something I missed?

Just everything he says really

White people are definitely discriminated against in the US. Especially if you fit the unholy trifecta of being white, male, and straight. This isn't the 90s anymore.

If you're a minority you can get opportunities you don't deserve through diversity hiring which I abhore as a black woman who actually worked hard to get to where I am. White liberals will bend over backwards for you to scratch their save a minority complex. You can commit crimes and everyone will give you the benefit of the doubt because they just assume the cops are racist and/or corrupt. I could go on, but I will stop there.

You are terribly misinformed, I hope you can find it within you to inform yourself better or at least not spread lies

 

[ctb2soble]

I can't tell if you are joking or not.

Not joking. Just speaking as a black woman with a white husband who has seen this BS first hand. I've literally had one of my managers tell me they were thankful to have another one of "us" around when we hired a very under qualified person at my job just because he was black. When I complained and said we needed to fire him after two weeks, I was told to show them grace because black men are already facing so many obstacles in life.

Then I've had many white liberals assume I'm oppressed when I have to deal with them at work. I had one client complain to me that he could barely afford to live and that he knew I must be struggling. When I asked why, his response was I'm black and a woman and he knows I don't make much because of that. Another asked me about bus routes because he assumed I took the bus and lived in the low income housing that was a few blocks away. Because apparently black people can't own vehicles. Just straight up ignorance.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Not joking. Just speaking as a black woman with a white husband who has seen this BS first hand.

Yeah, and I'm a unicorn named Winston with a hot Albanian wife.

 

[Dot]

USA election - a note from staff

LBGTQ Crisis Line Reports Nearly 200% Increase in Election-Related Calls From Queer and Trans Youth Staff understand that the election results have caused a lot of fear in people, and understand the valid...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Yeah, and I'm a unicorn named Winston with a hot Albanian wife.

Thre = 0 reasn nt 2 belve thm tbf

 

[untothedepths]

if you dont personally feel effected by these things why do you guys waste your time trying to 'debunk' people who have a lot to lose? like whats your game?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

USA election - a note from staff

LBGTQ Crisis Line Reports Nearly 200% Increase in Election-Related Calls From Queer and Trans Youth Staff understand that the election results have caused a lot of fear in people, and understand the valid...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Thre = 0 reasn nt 2 belve thm tbf

I guess that is true, but there has been a general trend of people pretending to be apart of minority groups in order to push false narratives and misinformation. As a result, I can't help but feel skeptical, especially with how ridiculous their claims are.

 

[kat6]

 

[ctb2soble]

Yeah, and I'm a unicorn named Winston with a hot Albanian wife.

So you're a bi woman who really really wants to be the third wheel in a relationship? Interesting.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

why do you guys waste your time trying to 'debunk' people who have a lot to lose?

Since you are asking, I thought telling them they won't get exterminated (and I still think they won't) would ease their despair. It's literally what people wants. There are people thinking they're gonna die within four years.

However, it seems anything that isn't reinforcing anxiety and agreeing down to the last detail, is being either ignorant, or not caring about anything, so I guess you do you guys. It's your choice.

 

[untothedepths]

Since you are asking, I thought telling them they won't get exterminated (and I still think they won't) would ease their despair. It's literally what people wants. There are people thinking they're gonna die within four years.

However, it seems anything that isn't reinforcing anxiety and agreeing down to the last detail, is being either ignorant, or not caring about anything, so I guess you do you guys. It's your choice.

kay, i get that. but there is a lot of nuance people are forgetting about, so while repubs aren't going to be throwing people out of buildings or sending deathsquads, it is absurd to not worry about legislation made against them which will definitely effect their lives directly. there are definitely people who want to hurt and harm them. downplaying project 2025 by any capacity, especially now that trump has less guardrails isn't helping either. if people are upset, its probably for good reason. there is a difference between trying to help support and provide solidarity to someone, and then there is just attempting to downplay serious concerns, just because it might not directly affect you or you don't think it will happen.

 

[LittleJem]

That's nonsense. Adopted children have every ability to live a long and happy life same as anyone. And I assure you that having them murdered is not a solution.

I wasn't the one who brought up the topic of abortion. My post was one of genuine happiness, for which I was immediately attacked for not being leftist enough. Bullying people for not being progressive doesn't strike me exactly as an inclusive value either. Do Trump supporters and Christians have a place in your new safe space or only for the ones who share your personal opinions?

You are only saying that because you haven't read the research. I'll post it in a bit.
This is just one article… the research and more detailed statistics are out there

What Are the Mental Health Effects of Being Adopted?

The psychological effects of being adopted can be far-reaching. Learn the effects of adoption and how to find a therapist who specializes in working with adoptees.

www.verywellmind.com

 

[amnesia999]

trump voters be like...

 

[newave3]

Leave it to this election to bring the MAGAt's out of the woodwork.

Don't bother arguing with them, you won't get anywhere.

The same can be said about arguing with liberal shitheads like you.

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

trump voters be like...

View attachment 153996

At first glance I thought this was going to be a take on the "Hang Mike Pence" gallows from Jan. 6th, because yeah,
that actually happened...
Only good thought I had regarding the outcome was--
"Well, at least no one will die this time..."

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

It's disappointing to see trolls coming to sasu - a forum for suicidal people just to get a reaction. It's really pathetic and disheartening to see. I'm glad people are sticking up for all the minorities and people that will be affected by this.