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[Dubito]

I personally wouldn't risk it. Time is not running away.

 

[anguila_anguila]

There is no way for me to know if that 3 year old wolf sn is good or not. I've heard different things. It might be good enough or not who knows?

Because suicide is stigmatized and assisted suicide is illegal there are no scientific studies and experiments to rely on to determine how long SN stays good , and how dependent it is on various environmental factors like temperature , age etc.

Don't spread nonsense. Yes it has been checked for stability and storage conditions because it is frequently used in food (as a preservative). Chemists would need to know how well it retains its purity.

And it's pretty stable, unless you get it wet or heat it up (or obviously mix it with other chemicals).

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Don't spread nonsense. Yes it has been checked for stability and storage conditions because it is frequently used in food (as a preservative). Chemists would need to know how well it retains its purity.

And it's pretty stable, unless you get it wet or heat it up (or obviously mix it with other chemicals).

You're no expert no one is. All I said is that i don't know and no one is an expert so how is that spreading nonsense . You just want to attack suicidal people on an op that is right now asking for help on an opened sn 4 years old .You have no idea also that even plastic containers are not impermeable to air nor water vapor even if sealed. This is incontrovertibly shown in this article. But there are many more source that show plastic containers even if sealed are permeable to air and water vapor and oxygen. Mylar , glass, and metal containers are much less permeable to these.

Food Packaging Permeability Behaviour: A Report

The use of polymer materials in food packaging field is one of the largest growing market area. Actually the optimization behaviour of packaging permeability is of crucial importance, in order to extend the food shelf-life and to reach the best engineering solution. Studying the permeability...

www.hindawi.com

This is a quote from this article :

"In contrast to glass or metal packaging materials, packages made with plastic are permeable at different degrees to small molecules like gases, water vapour, and organic vapour and to other low molecular weight compounds like aromas, flavour, and additives present into food. As a consequence of the barrier properties of the material, the transfer of this molecules ranges from high to low."

Plus op is dealing with 3-4 year old SN that he opened already. Most of us here have heard that SN exposed to air will convert to nitrate. Many companies have put an expiration date of 3 years for sealed SN. So you are trying to say you are sure even if were sealed that 4 year old SN is still pure. How can you be so sure? All I'm saying is i'm not sure and no one can tell the op it is pure. But it was also opened.

I just touched on this gas permeability of plastics. It's much more so than people think.

Another article: https://www.intertek.com/polymers/barrier-properties/

Note to self : This is typical of many previous experiences I've had with humans. Even the so-called expert Medical doctors or PHD proffessors when I start talking about detailed research from the Internet or books . They have never heard of this research.

 

[Shadowlord900]

are these good? they contain the benadryl ingredient with other stuff and are available here
MENTEX syrup
ROSMYLIN EXPECTORANT syrup
ROSMYLIN EXPECTORANT syrup
HISTALIX syrup
AMYDRAMINE syrup

someone said that they put you to sleep, so i shouldnt use proponolol? dont they lower the blood pressure making the oxygen lesser in the body which helps the SN to do its work?

Ohhhhhh, so that's why you wanted benadryl. I thought benadryl was gonna be your antiemetic, not the domperidone you mentioned. ;^^

Apologies for what I said earlier, but I'm glad you managed to get your hands on domperidone, I highly recommend them. Benzos are not a necessity for the SN method thankfully, but if you need something to help keep yourself calm, hopefully your self-prepared benadryl mixture shouldn't have any negative reactions with the SN.

Also I thought SN was supposed to be white and not yellow? Well anyways as @Sideways Glance said, if unsure, better to be safe than sorry and do a blood test.

 

[anguila_anguila]

I read the blood test turns brown for nitrates too so its useless

It was opened for my 1st attempt in 2019

The colour of SN is white to yellow, and tbh the yellow colour probably comes from a small amount of contamination from NO2.
You need to keep it stored away from moisture, heat and in particular, acids. Storing it away from light (i.e. in an opaque container) is also a good idea. Keep to those simple precautions and the SN should last for many years (possibly decades).
Oxygen in the air isn't a worry as much as the water. SN loves to absorb water from the air. If it has taken in a significant amount of water, it will probably be noticeable as the amount of substance you have will seem to have grown in size and it'll clump together and be difficult to work with.

You're no expert no one is. All I said is that i don't know and no one is an expert so how is that spreading nonsense . You just want to attack suicidal people on an op that is right now asking for help on an opened sn 4 years old .You have no idea also that even plastic containers are not impermeable to air nor water vapor even if sealed. This is inconvertably shown in this article. But there are many more source that show plastic containers even if sealed are permeable to air and water vapor and oxygen. Mylar , glass, and metal containers are much less permeable to these.

Food Packaging Permeability Behaviour: A Report

The use of polymer materials in food packaging field is one of the largest growing market area. Actually the optimization behaviour of packaging permeability is of crucial importance, in order to extend the food shelf-life and to reach the best engineering solution. Studying the permeability...

www.hindawi.com

Plus op is dealing with 3-4 year old SN that he opened already. Most of us here have heard that SN exposed to air will convert to nitrate. Many companies have put an expiration date of 3 years for sealed SN. So you are trying to say you are sure even if were sealed that 4 year old SN is still pure. How can you be so sure? All I'm saying is i'm not sure and no one can tell the op it is pure. But it was also opened

I wasn't attacking the op, just your assertions that no one knows about stability. Just because you have no idea doesn't mean that everyone else is the same. Anyone with even a slight chemistry background would have some idea about it. It doesn't just magically go off because you opened it one time. And if you know where to look you can find adequate information. Check out my other reply here where I gave advice on how to store it.

Plus, in order to answer this question about stability omce and for all, I am looking for a way to test my 400g container of SN which I have had for 7 years and not stored in the best conditions. Once I've done, I will post somewhere on here.

 

[Oblivion]

Decided to delay, where can i get new SN?

 

[Tartuffe]

Decided to delay, where can i get new SN?

IC delivered in 5 days to the UK

 

[Interloper]

as the amount of substance you have will seem to have grown in size and it'll clump together and be difficult to work with.

So should we avoid using the clumped up chunks then? I read clumping was going to happen regardless, but I don't have it stored in a glass container.

 

[Dubito]

So should we avoid using the clumped up chunks then? I read clumping was going to happen regardless, but I don't have it stored in a glass container.

I read that clumping is normal.
"While sodium nitrite may cake, clump and harden within 6 months of the
manufacture date, the chemical assay will remain within manufacturing specifications for at least
3 years."
Another manufacturer writes that his sn is good for 5 years unopened. If opened 1 year. Mostly theses dates are savely calculated. But we want to be careful here. Our porpuse of use is not curing some eggs.
Hope that helps a bit.

 

[Oblivion]

IC does not deliver to my country, any other alternative?

 

[HerculePoirot]

IC does not deliver to my country, any other alternative?

DM sent.

 

[anguila_anguila]

So should we avoid using the clumped up chunks then? I read clumping was going to happen regardless, but I don't have it stored in a glass container.

Sorry i haven't been on in a few days to respond.
A few clumps is fine.
But if it looks like it has changed significantly from when you bought it; looks very wet, clumps so much it is difficult to scrape any out, etc. Then i would advise not to use it.

Two other things i didn't think of previously, don't store metals in it - e.g. a spoon, that could aide degredation. Also if you are really worried about moisture you can always do what we do here with a lot of the moisture loving substances (in a hot humid country). That is to put the substance into a plastic bag, tie the end with rubber bands, and then put it into the container using the same storage conditions as i mentioned before.
Having said that my SN has literally just sat in its original container (which has been opened many times and some used) for about 7 years and is still fine, and as I mentioned before, I haven't exactly looked after it.

 

[Oblivion]

looks like no supplier delivered outside of europe