Large petition and websites to close this website

[Mm80]

ID would be impossible to request. There's no way I'd give my ID and I'm 37 years old. I want my privacy and anonymity.

I'm also not going to 'help' anyone take their own life. There is certainly a lot of 'support' from some long time members or avid posters who seem to get involved in everyone's business on here. One thing that gets me is we have some many 'experts' on Suicide but they are still here, alive, breathing. So I'm not really sure how one can be dishing out advice like it's facts and arguing and debating their point to exhaustion when it's not something they have any real life experience in. The only experts of Suicide are those who have CTB.
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Anyone who mentions parents, being grounded, school, taking a bit of SN just to taste it, posts 10 threads about 'what rope is best' really should just get banned.

The bit about experienced members giving advice has always weighed on my mind. I search my conscience about it regularly. As long as I feel that I'm not trying to come across as an expert or encouraging someone I feel OK. The only reason I have anything to add is because of the amount of research I've done for myself, sadly.
The problem with the younger members is that we have no way of knowing if they are lying. If i ever saw something that suggested someone was young I steer clear. It's on my personal conscience not to share things with youngsters as I don't believe they are ready for such a final decision. I know some may find this patronising. I see ctb as the very last resort

 

[puppy9]

I saw a post the other day where some girl was asking for fashion advice on which outfit to wear to CTB.

She's below 18?

I don't see anything wrong about asking which outfit to wear. So please delete that, because she may read this and probably hurt by it. She's in pain already and bringing that up is unfair. Thank you.

 

[laura fines]

Having this forum is great for me.
But I recognize that if I had been born later, and i had access to the Internet, I probably would have done this when I was 20 and not 43.
On the other hand, I add that if I had died at 20, I would not have lost much either: little satisfaction and a lot of suffering.
The only thing "gained" is being able to say to my family (suicide letter) that, even if I do this now, I could have done this before and generate more doubts about ...
......she was so young, could she have improved over time?

 

[Soul]

@BipolarGuy and @Emily_Numb, I have no idea who this "minority" consists of, and not naming whom you're referring to just makes everyone a suspect. You don't have to remember every post in order to tell us whom you're talking about. It would help those of us who are puzzled by this whole discussion.

Am I in this minority?
Is @Burzolog?
Is @GoodPersonEffed?

Thanks for as much clarity as possible.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Do you really think BPG is going to start mentioning names? Get real. There are PLENTY of argumentative people on this site, I'd call you as one from reading your contributions to this thread.

Anyone who gets themselves involved in the drama of these protesting groups too. Some people love the clout and believe it makes them feel important when really they best thing to do with these petitions, is to ignore them.

I agree but let's be fair, he is right!

I mean, the NHS really does employ an army of spies to arrange the kidnap of members of SS!

The resources are there people, so WAKE UP!
OUR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE UNDER ATTAAACK!

We're being victimised, gaslighted, flamed and manipulated by undercover pro-life NHS spies who only have ONE agenda!

Now we must make a stand...

We are an ARMY!!!1

I say we take BACK control of our homeland just as Liam Neeson took back his daughter in that film.

It's the enemy within. We must join forces.

 

[Chupacabra 44]

We are all different obviously. But, when I stumbled across this site exactly one year ago investigating CTB for my own purposes, and as a prochoice , I happened across a series of back to back to back CTBs at this time. CTBs seemed endless exactly one year ago.

Then, I FULLY struggled to grasp the comments on these Goodbye Threads. I could not descern if those comments were "jokes"? ..... The ol "save me a seat on the bus".... "say, hi to Stan for me"....."can we make a stop at Grandma Gertrude's house to pick her up as she is in lots of pain".. . ..... "what kind of milage does this bus get anyway"? .......etc etc etc. You know.... The typical stuff written within these threads.

I found these threads shocking! I am like - what in the world is going on here! I'm thinking "is this real life"? I had a bunch of prolify thoughts initially watching these Goodbye threads. Now, after posting in threads and with extensive member interactions, I much better understand, and the education I've received from becoming a member has further moved the pendulum concerning my personal views on CTB. In other words, I'm much more liberal in viewing others' decisions to CTB versus where I was in my opinions one year ago.

I maintain that it might be wise for the site to require membership to view the goodbye threads similar to how membership is required to view the partner threads.

I suggest having a separate section for all goodbye threads.

This will at least prevent casual lurkers and disgruntled family members from seeing these threads without formally signing up.

My comment about us all being different? Perhaps others don't see the potential benefit of my suggestion. Maybe too, it's somewhat of a given that an angry family member is going to sign up and have full membership access; I'm unclear?

But, if others happen to agree with me about moving Goodbye threads chime in. If crickets, then I'll just strike it up to another in the many ways Chupacabra's brain perceives the universe differently than others.

 

[Lilacmoon]

We are all different obviously. But, when I stumbled across this site exactly one year ago investigating CTB for my own purposes, and as a prochoice , I happened across a series of back to back to back CTBs at this time. CTBs seemed endless exactly one year ago.

Then, I FULLY struggled to grasp the comments on these Goodbye Threads. I could not descern if those comments were "jokes"? ..... The ol "save me a seat on the bus".... "say, hi to Stan for me"....."can we make a stop at Grandma Gertrude's house to pick her up as she is in lots of pain".. . ..... "what kind of milage does this bus get anyway"? .......etc etc etc. You know.... The typical stuff written within these threads.

I found these threads shocking! I am like - what in the world is going on here! I'm thinking "is this real life"? I had a bunch of prolify thoughts initially watching these Goodbye threads. Now, after posting in threads and with extensive member interactions, I much better understand, and the education I've received from becoming a member has further moved the pendulum concerning my personal views on CTB. In other words, I'm much more liberal in viewing others' decisions to CTB versus where I was in my opinions one year ago.

I maintain that it might be wise for the site to require membership to view the goodbye threads similar to how membership is required to view the partner threads.

I suggest having a separate section for all goodbye threads.

This will at least present casual lurkers and disgruntled family members from seeing these threads without formally signing up.

My comment about us all being different? Perhaps others don't see the potential benefit of my suggestion. Maybe too, it's somewhat of a given that an angry family member is going to sign up and have full membership access; I'm unclear?

But, if others happen to agree with me about moving Goodbye threads chime in. If crickets, then I'll just strike it up to another in the many ways Chupacabra's brain perceives the universe differently than others.

Umm, yeah. If I were to make a goodbye thread, I would like the privacy of not having to worry about just anyone looking at it without an account :/ Maybe that's just me though.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Umm, yeah. If I were to make a goodbye thread, I would like the privacy of not having to worry about just anyone looking at it without an account :/ Maybe that's just me though.

i personally dont plan on making one but if you want to you can set your profile so only members can see it then you can make the post there for everyone to comment on. (just thought id mention it in case you didnt know :) )

 

[checkouttime]

I just come here for all the fairytales, I love a bit of jackanory.things are going to get better as long as i keep reading them, i know they are!!

i'm thinking of going to sit on santa's knee this year, that guys for REAL. have you seen how many people like him and visit him! how couldn't he be!! i might even get a picture while i'm there!

 

[color_me_gone]

I have not seen this pro-death minority spoken of in this thread.
I think these people mistake a respect for a person's right to choose, as being pro-death.

This site does so much good for people who have reached a crossroad in their life.
It gives them a chance to vent, to speak what is truly on their minds, without being judged.
It gives them a chance to interact with people in similar situations, who share empathy with them.
It gives them a chance to be accepted into a community of peers.
It gives them a chance to learn of various methods available to them.
It gives them a chance to learn the do's and don'ts of the various methods.

I have never seen any member actively encourage a person to ctb.
If anything, they mildly try to discourage, but realize the person's choice is his own, and is his right.

 

[Squiddy]

I have not seen this pro-death minority spoken of in this thread.
I think these people mistake a respect for a person's right to choose, as being pro-death.

This site does so much good for people who have reached a crossroad in their life.
It gives them a chance to vent, to speak what is truly on their minds, without being judged.
It gives them a chance to interact with people in similar situations, who share empathy with them.
It gives them a chance to be accepted into a community of peers.
It gives them a chance to learn of various methods available to them.
It gives them a chance to learn the do's and don'ts of the various methods.

I have never seen any member actively encourage a person to ctb.
If anything, they mildly try to discourage, but realize the person's choice is his own, and is his right.

Yup. I also haven't seen a person encourage another

 

[Ghost2211]

I never encourage people to ctb, but helping people troubleshoot methods helps them not make mistakes that could cause lifelong damage or distress. I won't suggest methods, but if they already have it set that's what they are going to do what I say won't change that choice. I know that since people keep taking otc meds.

Underage people seeing this content is no more preventable than them seeing porn. It exists on the internet they will see it. If their parents were more supportive and less bad they likely wouldn't be here in the first place. I will stop talking to anyone that reveals themself to be underage, and they are not great at hiding it. I wont go around assuming everyone is a child either though.

 

[Weightoftheworld]

I just find it offensive that having a disability automatically makes you 'vulnerable' according time to them.
For some, yes, but not all.

 

[puppy9]

No. I won't delete it. Who are you to censor my opinion? If the person who posted that is 'triggered' then maybe they should go to a different forum. I hear Reddit is a good place if your particularly sensitive

Damn I'm appalled. I'm just a human with empathy that cares. You're just whining now. It's bullying and what you're doing is pathetic. I heard reddit is a good place for bullies like you. This place is for sensitive people, get use to it. Sensitive people like me will always call out bullies.

I'm sensitive, maybe mostly because of my BPD.

I need to get rid of my BPD and this site will be well suited for me.

After insulting her clothes choices thread and now you're chasing her away from this site. Who are you to do that?

SS members and mods are keeping this site healthy.

She's 18? Where's the answer for that?

Sad

 

[Life_and_Death]

Damn I'm appalled. I'm just a human with empathy that cares. You're just whining now. It's bullying and what you're doing is pathetic. I heard reddit is a good place for bullies like you. This place is for sensitive people, get use to it. Sensitive people like me will always call out bullies.

I'm sensitive, maybe mostly because of my BPD.

I need to get rid of my BPD and this site will be well suited for me.

After insulting her clothes choices thread and now you're chasing her away from this site. Who are you to do that?

SS members and mods are keeping this site healthy.

She's 18? Where's the answer for that?

Sad

I don't see it as bullying. They had an opinion on something. If the person is under 18 then they shouldn't be here but if they aren't then they can choose to ignore the comment knowing to themselves that it is false so they don't have to worry about.

 

[Incorrigible77777]

Fxxk them off

 

[puppy9]

I don't see it as bullying. They had an opinion on something. If the person is under 18 then they shouldn't be here but if they aren't then they can choose to ignore the comment knowing to themselves that it is false so they don't have to worry about.

The fashion thread, is she under 18 to be called out and chased away from this site. My issue is that particular statement and nothing else on the post. There's undertone of bullying; if not maybe my BPD is acting up. I'm very sensitive due to that, my apologies if that's the case.

If they're below 18 then it's right for them not to be here.

 

[Life_and_Death]

The fashion thread, is she under 18 to be called out and chased away from this site. My issue is that particular statement and nothing else on the post. There's undertone of bullying; if not maybe my BPD is acting up. I'm very sensitive due to that, my apologies if that's the case.

If they're below 18 then it's right for them not to be here.

I get it, BPD can make the most basic of things difficult. I kinda hate jokes because of it, but I won't derail the thread too much by talking about it lol

 

[Emily_Numb]

I have BPD. My point still stands.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I have BPD. My point still stands.

Yeah, no. I don't know why you're so obsessed with gatekeeping people. It's surely tragic that we have many young members in this forum, I'm one of them and I wish I wasn't. But life isn't a fairytale. Many young people suffer from various conditions that makes life unbearable for them and eventually, it turns them suicidal. There is nothing wrong with that. It's completely valid. I don't like how you're talking down to young people, judging them for trivial things. For example, I spent time thinking about the clothes I'll wear once I ctb. I even purchased a very pretty dress, just for that one particular day. I understand if people want to leave pretty, why wouldn't they? It's their last moments. It really doesn't matter if you're suicidal and 25 years old, 40 years old or 70. What matters is your determination. Do you want to die? If so, why? Is your wish to die persistent? Is there anything that could possibly ease your struggle? Those are questions that matter. Age is irrelevant. What you're doing right now is exactly the same thing that every psychiatrist and therapist has ever done to me. Judging me by the cover. Oh, I'm young, therefore I can't possibly be truly suicidal. You talk about respect. There is none in your posts. Calling other members edgy teens and attention seekers has nothing to do with respect. You said they make you want to stop using this site. Then stop. Your presence in this forum isn't more important than the presence of any young person and I'll stand up for them and their rights to make decisions for their life. Their problems are valid. Their feelings about life and death are valid, that includes any decisions they make about suicide. And just for clarification, I'm talking about adults too. I really don't understand why you would look down on people in a forum like this one.

 

[color_me_gone]

Thank you @RainAndSadness , for saying what I was going to say.
This forum is not Facebook, and thank god for that!

 

[LenkaX]

Pro-lifers don't know a shit about being severely depressed, isolated and suicidal. Sometimes suicide is the only option. I hate all the pro-lifers that work actively against any information about suicide!

 

[Painless_end]

I just looked up the new user sign up page for this site again and double checked some things.

I think the minimum age requirement should be mentioned as 21 instead of 18.

Also the admins should add a checkbox that says something to the effect of "I understand that the information provided on this site is only for educational purpose and I am fully responsible for my own actions that I take based on any knowledge or information that I gain exclusively from this site".

This will help avoid legal issues, I feel.

 

[262653]

Age is irrelevant.

Supposedly, I'm seeing a young member of the forum who expresses the intention to ctb. For whatever reason, I feel the need to say something that goes in opposition with the intentions of that younger member. Maybe I have a sense of care or guilt. Maybe I had the same intentions at the same age as that younger member, but my life has improved a lot since then. What is relevant here is that I feel the need to speak my mind, and if I won't do that, I will feel bad.
The question is: Why wouldn't I speak my mind, even if it goes against the intentions of that younger member, if I believe it will make me feel better off?

 

[illbeinthegarage]

i got kicked from the facebook group and now im really sad, i liked reading what they put. they all seemed so hurt but also so misinformed. was genuinely quite sad to see

 

[Nanami]

The question is: Why wouldn't I speak my mind, even if it goes against the intentions of that younger member, if I believe it will make me feel better off?

And this differs from pro-lifers who speak against suicide, have no intentions of actually helping, and do it because they believe it will make themselves feel better - how?

 

[Mellowmood]

Some people including me should dump the website weekly on our HDD just in case, in order to keep all the valuable content that this website has to offer. As a data hoarder I would be more than happy to back this website up.

 

[Meditation guide]

Some people including me should dump the website weekly on our HDD just in case, in order to keep all the valuable content that this website has to offer. As a data hoarder I would be more than happy to back this website up.

This is your first post on this site and you want to keep a copy of it? Why?

Why not just go back and look at things on it when you want to? It's not going anywhere.

 

[262653]

And this differs from pro-lifers who speak against suicide, have no intentions of actually helping, and do it because they believe it will make themselves feel better - how?

How it will make them feel better, or how it differs from pro-lifes who speak against suicide who have no intentions of actually helping?

I'm not saying this is or isn't different from the hypothetical situation I proposed earlier. I'm not saying what is wrong or what isn't.
My question was rather straightforward, but it could be generalized without losing its intended meaning: Why should I put the interests of other people above my own?

 

[schopenh]

Some people including me should dump the website weekly on our HDD just in case, in order to keep all the valuable content that this website has to offer. As a data hoarder I would be more than happy to back this website up.

I keep a copy of the links in the resources section locally since the site has gone down maybe 3 times while I've been a member. I also have screenshots of some of the megathread OPs (e.g. Stan's guide). People should consider doing this.