Large petition and websites to close this website

[Emily_Numb]

*sigh*

Have a good evening GPE.....

For real.
I'm out.

 

[Antigonish]

Man they're doing actual live updates on post. I probably ctb as a statement if they end this site. Kinda damned if you do or dont situation. In all honesty just looking at all the random stuff that has no ulterior motives makes less suicidal.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

I feel really betrayed. Like the last kid picked in the schoolyard. So they only want to save the youngins?

No. If you read the page of the "victims," none of them were adolescents, all were adults.

Yeah but it says "Imagine a website that teaches your children..."

Im also someone's child. So because I had shitty parents Im not part of their campaign?

What is that classist website?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

But it looks like people aren't really buying it. Assuming they're not from people from this site, the evidence section is being absolutely shat on in the review box thing. 1.6 stars out of 5. Can't imagine how that must feel while also going through grief and rage, but it is speaking for itself.

Their star reviews were low before I posted on my wall as @BipolarGuy screenshotted.

Interesting, btw, that you, @BipolarGuy, can so quickly provide evidence of my action, but not for actions of any of your other claims.

In fact the review feature is being used as an infantile political weapon by some members of this forum, and we should be better than that.....

Ooh, I'm part of a bold-and-underline group now!

Btw, that website is itself a political weapon. I don't feel the need to demonize and minimize it by calling it names like infantile or anything else. Interesting that you made a claim that members who say there are pro-life attacks against the site are constructing an enemy when there are in fact enemies.

Also interesting that you adamantly support me for going on the offensive with my aggressive, abusive parents, but call me infantile when I go on the offensive against an aggressive, abusive website that is lying about us and hyperbolizing things that go on here (such as claims on their evidence page that the site targets minors and people on the Asperger's spectrum). In fact, their evidence page does exactly what is in the gif in your comment I quoted.

@Xocoyotziin, it's unwise of them to have a star system that can be accessed by the public. It sets them up for obvious disagreement from those who disagree with them. No star system, no interference.

Also, I have throughout my time on the forum shown compassion and respect to Shawn's parents and the woman running the fixthe26 site. I have stood up for them when they've been unjustly attacked, in fact I just did it yesterday. I've posted several times about the rationale of scapegoating. I get that they are in pain, I only take exception to the fact that they are externalizing their pain onto this site in the form of blame, and use their pain and blaming to justify falsehoods and attacks. I have no regrets for lowering the star rating on a website against us that is spreading falsehoods instead of facts. I am fighting quite fair in the face of unfair fighting. They created the arena, they dragged us into it, therefore if they leave a hole in their armor and it is accurate to give their efforts one star when they left it open to do so, then I will, and I will share that information with others. I'm am not victimizing them.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

As far as I see it, the people trying to get this site shut down are self-interested, tilting at windmills, and looking for a scapegoat because although they are self-centered, they actually aren't skilled at critically analyzing their own souls or behaviors.

Which isn't necessarily their fault, as not everyone has a decent level of emotional intelligence or empathy, or a subjective experience of real suffering (as opposed to just having a few 'off days' every now and then) which can act as a channel towards having more of a philosophical outlook and insight into the nature of existence in a world such as this.
Real-world suffering, the many variations of which are connected to a myriad of factors, is the 'cause' of suicide, not the fact that some obscure website exits which provides neutral information on exit methods and a peer group which understands the many difficulties entailed by being alive in this particular world.

Perhaps they should honestly ask themselves why anybody would go to the trouble of accessing this site in the first place.
And claims that people here are the 'passive victims' of a 'pro-suicide cult' just don't wash, although I do understand that if younger people access this site, given their immaturity and lack of critical thinking skills, they can be unduly influenced or manipulated by the occasional predator.

Suicide is as old as the human race, and getting this site shut down would certainly not eliminate it. In fact, the people here who might otherwise have recovered due to peer-support, or who feel heard and understood for the first time in their lives, or who might have allowed themselves a relatively peaceful and dignified exit by accessing the right info, would be worse off.

And where would the people who got this site shut down be then? Trying to help the people whom they would have negatively impacted? Nope, nowhere to be found, yet satisfied with themselves that they were able to slay a non-existent enemy, an act with negative real-world consequences for unwell people who just want a way out or a free speech arena to talk about an unfortunately taboo subject.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

And where would the people who got this site shut down be then? Trying to help the people whom they would have negatively impacted? Nope, nowhere to be found, yet satisfied with themselves that they were able to slay a non-existent enemy

 

[Life_and_Death]

That's a good idea. Request ID. Then when a 16 year-old talks about school having used their mom's ID... busted.

not everyone that goes to school is under 18. theres college. plus im 21 and i probably qont get the chance to finish high school until 25 (at this rate). im not saying you guys are wrong, just that there are a lot of variables and i try to not make assumptions.

and about the outfit thread. i actually thought it was a good idea. not that i think about it much but it would be nice to look good when i die and getting advice from my "friends" also doesnt seem like a bad idea either.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Their star reviews were low before I posted on my wall as @BipolarGuy screenshotted.

Interesting, btw, that you, @BipolarGuy, can so quickly provide evidence of my action, but not for actions of any of your other claims.



Ooh, I'm part of a bold-and-underline group now!

Btw, that website is itself a political weapon. I don't feel the need to demonize and minimize it by calling it names like infantile or anything else. Interesting that you made a claim that members who say there are pro-life attacks against the site are constructing an enemy when there are in fact enemies.

Also interesting that you adamantly support me for going on the offensive with my aggressive, abusive parents, but call me infantile when I go on the offensive against an aggressive, abusive website that is lying about us and hyperbolizing things that go on here (such as claims on their evidence page that the site targets minors and people on the Asperger's spectrum). In fact, their evidence page does exactly what is in the gif in your comment I quoted.

@Xocoyotziin, it's unwise of them to have a star system that can be accessed by the public. It sets them up for obvious disagreement from those who disagree with them. No star system, no interference.

Also, I have throughout my time on the forum shown compassion and respect to Shawn's parents and the woman running the fixthe26 site. I have stood up for them when they've been unjustly attacked, in fact I just did it yesterday. I've posted several times about scapegoating. I get that they are in pain, I only take exception to the fact that they are externalizing their pain onto this site in the form of blame, and use their pain and blaming to justify falsehoods and attacks. I have no regrets for lowering the star rating on a website against us that is spreading falsehoods instead of facts. I am fighting quite fair in the face of unfair fighting. They created the arena, they dragged us into it, therefore if they leave a hole in their armor and it is accurate to give their efforts one star when they left it open to do so, then I will, and I will share that information with others. I'm am not victimizing them.

I never said you attacked anybody's parents.

Have a good night, GPE......please!

 

[Life_and_Death]

@BipolarGuy i would alert the mods of this but i have a feeling they are already watching

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I never said you attacked anybody's parents.

I know, I tagged @Xocoyotziin in that paragraph.

Edit: In the paragraph above. In other words, I was talking to him.

 

[BipolarGuy]

@BipolarGuy i would alert the mods of this but i have a feeling they are already watching

Perhaps you would be willing to inform a mod of your opinion?

 

[whywere]

People who want to shut this site down are stupid period. 1)this site has helped me more than any doctor ever has 2) the people on this site are the most caring, loving and empathic people any where. 3) do they think that shutting down a site like this is going to be a magical wand and poof! suicide stops? 4) sites like this ACTUALLY help prevent suicides as people in distress can come here and be with people who understand and help one another 5) Hate to say it but if someone wants to ctb, this or any website is NOT going to deter them from doing what they want. 6) THEY ARE DAMN IDIOTS AND SHOULD TRY AND PUT THEIR EFFORTS INTO PREVENTION AN DLEAVE US ALONE.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

People who want to shut this site down are stupid period. 1)this site has helped me more than any doctor ever has 2) the people on this site are the most caring, loving and empathic people any where. 3) do they think that shutting down a site like this is going to be a magical wand and poof! suicide stops? 4) sites like this ACTUALLY help prevent suicides as people in distress can come here and be with people who understand and help one another 5) Hate to say it but if someone wants to ctb, this or any website is NOT going to deter them from doing what they want. 6) THEY ARE DAMN IDIOTS AND SHOULD TRY AND PUT THEIR EFFORTS INTO PREVENTION AN DLEAVE US ALONE.

I would like them to make a fundraiser and charitable donation to all members, staff, management. Then they'll make a real-life impact. Not words, websites, and kumbaya

 

[Lupgevif]

It must suck not being able to deal with the guilt of neglecting the emotional needs of those you love to the point they take their own lives, so you need to project it onto strangers on the internet.

Also... "They are feeding on the vulnerable"? Feeding what? What does anyone here gain from members ctbing?

 

[ZeroChance888]

So disappointed that some people are making negative assumptions about this site. I mean ironically enough this site has kept me from ctb because of the outlet it has become and the support from all you kind people I've received. They have no clue what they are clamoring about, so annoying.

 

[Disco Biscuit]

I'm seeing a lot of dichotomous thinking on that website with SS members falling firmly into either the category of "monster" or "victim". So if you're here, you're either an innocent victim who can't think for themselves or you're a dangerous predator who gets a kick out helping people die.

It reminds me of how tabloids like the Daily Mail subtly portray women through the lens of virgins or whores. It's a refusal to see people as complex human beings and instead represents an almost narcissistic need to judge and attach labels to people and let that decide whether the person should be protected or attacked on that basis. Nobody is asking for labels to be put on them but these people feel it's their job to do so. It's heartbreaking that they've lost loved ones but it upsets me that, in their grief, they're labelling similarly suicidal people as monsters.

It's a lot easier to go on the attack and find an outlet for your grief if you've depersonalised the people you're attacking in this way.

 

[Life_and_Death]

So if you're here, you're either an innocent victim who can't think for themselves or you're a dangerous predator who gets a kick out helping people die.

reading this it made me think, wouldnt we all be both? we talk to others and say goodbye so we must be monsters. but then we go on our way in life and then we are the victims. making whatever those people are petitioning backwards and they should probably think about that. the very people they are claiming to be monsters are they very people they are also claiming to be "helping"

 

[Disco Biscuit]

reading this it made me think, wouldnt we all be both? we talk to others and say goodbye so we must be monsters. but then we go on our way in life and then we are the victims. making whatever those people are petitioning backwards and they should probably think about that. the very people they are claiming to be monsters are they very people they are also claiming to be "helping"

Exactly. They have decided that the dynamic on this site is one of monster and victim and their purpose is to protect the victims from the monsters. They don't see that these are the same people.

 

[SHThrowAway213]

This is fucking ridiculous.
If the site is shut down, it will take away a lot of support for a lot of people.
The people behind the petitions obviously have no idea of the consequences.

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

But the thing is all the other websites for depression and other suicide related are just bunch of useless pricks that give meaningless advice that often doesn't apply to the situation like someone whose suicidal is hardly gonna read a book to "distract themselves" or try out the midndfulnness garbage, simply because often when we are that low we don't have concentration long to read a few sentences let alone a book.

 

[262653]

There are people who claim they 'helping others do it safety' 'being there with them at the last moment via webcam or phone' - these people are predators. No normal person would watch another person take their own life.

It can be useful to document the process so that others have a practical example of how the method works. And how is it a problem if the stream is arranged with the consent of everyone involved?

No one ever suggests help that isn't CTB because posts get deleted or you get jumped on by other users and accused of being 'pro-life'. You can't win. Suicide should be the final option when you have exhausted all other avenues.

There is a whole forum section dedicated to non-CTB solutions. I think it is nice when the topic starter openly states what is welcome in the thread and what isn''t (encouragements, solutions, whatever). That way we could avoid some confusion, flaming, shaming, moral wars and whatnot. But I rarely see it ever happening.

I think that everyone has their own priorities. Why should we force our priorities onto others, like the lowest priority for suicide, and who's to say that a particular individual have done everything to exhaust all other options? It sounds to me like imposing personal preferences onto others.

Have you ever wondered why we do it? Why do we push our visions of the ideal world, of how things should be from our perspective, onto others?
It's not a rhetorical question, and it's not the question just for you, but anyone who reads it.

Whether it's a paid job, a sense of care or guilt, a promise of pleasure, an urge to remain consistent with the personal code... it seems to me that everything boils down to personal interest, or at least that is the consistent pattern I've noticed. I'm still entertaining the possibility that I might be wrong, I'm not perfect. So I'm asking everyone who reads it: What do you have to say? What do you want to say? Is there anything you would be willing to say? If you don't wish to say anything or if you wish to lie, that's fine too. I understand that some things shouldn't be said because they would compromise personal interest. For the same reason I'm not going into a medical facility to say that I want to die, while holding a knife in my arm.

Yeah but it says "Imagine a website that teaches your children..."

Gotta target the parent or parent-wannabe audience, I guess.

 

[sui4]

All have the right to live or die-whichever they choose. This provides a forum for persons to freely express themselves without fear.

But the thing is all the other websites for depression and other suicide related are just bunch of useless pricks that give meaningless advice that often doesn't apply to the situation like someone whose suicidal is hardly gonna read a book to "distract themselves" or try out the midndfulnness garbage, simply because often when we are that low we don't have concentration long to read a few sentences let alone a book.

So true.
So true.

 

[BipolarGuy]

The problem with other depression websites is that they are so heavily moderated that it's kind of like being at the other extreme: you can't actually talk about how you're feeling through fear of "triggering" other people.
Therefore it's pointless to be a part of it if you're looking to share experiences, get/give advice and access peer support.

On the other hand, if you can't understand why people would have an issue with some of the things posted on this forum by a minority, then you are simply an emotional vacuum.

I see three issues, two on the part of fixthe26 and one on the part of a minority on this site:

1. Fixthe26: they seem to assume that everybody on this site is encouraging each other to end their lives.
This is not true.
Most, like me, are here because of how we're feeling.....just like their own relatives are/were.

2. Fixthe26: as happens so often in mental health, the cart is put before the horse.
Are they campaigning to tackle the cause or the effect?
If this website were taken down, would they feel that they had succeeded? Or...would they then campaign to improve mental health services?

3. A minority on this site seem to have set themselves up for battle, and in so doing are, consciously or not, potentially swaying the balance of the forum and making things actually worse!
@Emily_Numb mentioned how people who try to help are labelled "pro-lifers" and sometimes subject to open ridicule, for example.
I have written about this all before.
In my case, neutrality has drawn accusations of being "pro-life" and having an "agenda"!

 

[Infinite Conscious]

It has been a blast to follow the discussion between BipolarGuy and GoodPersonEffed.
I think it is natural and innate in us to pick sides.
Although I respect both members, I must pick the side of the one who doesn't see the infamuos pro-death minority on this site.
I just haven't seen them in the last 2 months that I've been here.

Unless... I am one of them.
I have posted some replies to young members, especially when it comes to H or other drugs, as my experience certainly exceeds that of an average user.
And maybe I shouldn't have been so graphic in my replies.
But I don't get any kicks out of it, quite the contrary.
I have been even called a pro-lifer, and not just by anybody - but by LetzteAusfahrt.

But I just don't see the minority in question.
And don't consider myself as someone who gets involved into others' lives (or deaths)... but I have been "helpful" to some younger members, maybe more than I should have, or will in the future.

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

I was a member of one snd it was heavily moderated that even mentioning my age was declared as (numbers) and if someone mentioned that that they are losing weight/fasting instantly it was moderated as (anorexic behaviour) you couldn't even mention that going to have a glass of wine in the evening incase that one glass of wine was seen as (alcoholic behaviour) or you going to be giving up sweets, cakes in the new year or your gonna have a take out with friends or a ciggy/vape.

Everything had a sodding trigger warning on including people's situation, in the end the site got populated with endless trigger warnings and the grammar police arrived on site a minute by minute that I was glad and relieved that I deactivated my account.

In the end, I realised that I couldn't stand so called recovery sites and felt that my own views didn't match with their views as I felt that I couldn't have ordinary every day behaviours.

Yet if I did mention these things generally they would moderated out, I would get a 24 hour ban and faction points and if I was suicidal, I was told to read a good book, have a nice bath and told to call the Samaritans which don't help people in crisis.

 

[262653]

3. A minority on this site seem to have set themselves up for battle, and in so doing are, consciously or not, potentially swaying the balance of the forum and making things actually worse!

Are there any specific members of that minority you keep mentioning? Who is that opposing force the members of that minority are battling with? And for whom that minority makes things worse by battling the opposing force? For you, me, any specific individual or a group of individuals?

I think that some clarity will allow us all to understand the situation better.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Are there any specific members of that minority you keep mentioning? Who is that opposing force the members of that minority are battling with? And for whom that minority makes things worse by battling the opposing force? For you, me, any specific individual or a group of individuals?

I think that some clarity will allow us all to understand the situation better.

You know full well that remembering every thread on which any of us has seen something that has concerned us is unrealistic and not practical.

Which is why you're asking.

I'm also going to assume you're not blind to it, as you've been a member of this site for around 2.5 years!

Now off you go.....

 

[Emily_Numb]

Are there any specific members of that minority you keep mentioning? Who is that opposing force the members of that minority are battling with? And for whom that minority makes things worse by battling the opposing force? For you, me, any specific individual or a group of individuals?

I think that some clarity will allow us all to understand the situation better.

Do you really think BPG is going to start mentioning names? Get real. There are PLENTY of argumentative people on this site, I'd call you as one from reading your contributions to this thread.

Anyone who gets themselves involved in the drama of these protesting groups too. Some people love the clout and believe it makes them feel important when really they best thing to do with these petitions, is to ignore them.

 

[262653]

You know full well that remembering every thread on which any of us has seen something that has concerned us is unrealistic and not practical.

Which is why you're asking.

Are there any specific members of that minority you keep mentioning?

if you read my message carefully, you might see that I'm not asking for a full list of every thread. I'm asking for a name of at least a single person belonging to that minority, so that I know who to point my finger at. I don't want to blame the wrong person.

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

I have been on this site since February and it doesn't trigger, just becomes the normality for me to go on