Venting it depresses me how misandry is so normalized.

[alwayspissedoff]

If you seriously think that saying women in the west are not oppressed isn't misogynistic, you are too far gone to be helped.

"Just stating things" can be misogynistic. If he said "all women are hormonal and crazy" that would also be "just stating" something.

I know stating things can imply that a person is misogynistic. With saying that "women are not opressed" he didn't mean that women are not stalked, raped and killed, but rather that women have more equity with men than ever, and he explicitly said that.

Now, if you really don't see the misandric behaviours here as bad, you are too far gone to be helped as well. You didn't say anything to the part of my message that talked about the man-hating people here. They are a problem as well.

 

[rs929]

I just said that I don't believe patriarchy, as a social system that oppresses women, exists in the west. You're trying to twist it to make it look like I deny violence towards women, and put people against me. It's pathetic tbh

 

[U. A.]

Here's to me adding absolutely nothing of substance to the messy conversation.

Aw c'mon, don't you want your lived experience to be invalidated more?

 

[Lest3]

Never having to worry about restriction and medical neglect of reproductive health is inherently a privilege on its own. The only men who do worry about this are trans men (as already stated) and some intersex men.

You may argue that not all women have to worry about that either, and that is true. But all women and AFABs deal with medical gaslighting and neglect to a higher extent. Unless a man is chronically ill, he doesn't have to dread all doctors.

I don't really see your point? I didn't disagree that they have certain benefits?

I just don't really look at the homelessness statistic and think "wow the institutional trickle down must be working wonders!!"

Also, to be clear, I think its statistically very clear that all other men do benefit from the patriarchy.

 

[martyrdom]

I just said that I don't believe patriarchy, as a social system that oppresses women, exists in the west. You're trying to twist it to make it look like I deny violence towards women, and put people against me. It's pathetic tbh

Think with me, what could possibly be causing this violence against women?
You can do it.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I know stating things can imply that a person is misogynistic. With saying that "women are not opressed" he didn't mean that women are not stalked, raped and killed, but rather that women have more equity with men than ever, and he explicitly said that.

Now, if you really don't see the misandric behaviours here as bad, you are too far gone to be helped as well. You didn't say anything to the part of my message that talked about the man-hating people here. They are a problem as well.

There are still persistent inequalities like underrepresentation in leadership, domestic violence, and political power.

 

[rs929]

Think with me, what could possibly be causing this violence against women?
You can do it.

I think that there are a lot of psychopaths out there that are willing to stalk, rape and murder. There is a majority of men who think that's aberrant and don't endorse that in any way, and the law is against it as well.
It was different in the 50's though.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

Forget about all that sexist nonsense! We are all oppressed by the 1% capitalist pigs! Everything else is small fry, comrades! *USSR theme starts playing*

 

[KlMeNw]

it largely impacts trans men but no one sees it or talks abt it or cares because no one gaf abt us. they assume because we transitioned we suddenly have cis male privilege (we don't, and that's not how it works lol)

Yeah, or maybe there isn't any "cis" male privilege?

 

[martyrdom]

I think that there are a lot of psychopaths out there that are willing to stalk, rape and murder. There is a majority of men who think that's aberrant and don't endorse that in any way, and the law is against it as well.
It was different in the 50's though.

And all these psychopaths happen to be men who mysteriously happen to target women in 90% of cases just as a coincidence?

 

[NormallyNeurotic]

Yeah, or maybe there isn't any "cis" male privilege?

Wow, another person who doesn't believe in the patriarchy. Where are we, 4Chan?

 

[U. A.]

Wow, another person who doesn't believe in the patriarchy. Where are we, 4Chan?

wdym oppression isnt a thing oppression is just made up to oppress straight white abled cis men

wait...

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[KlMeNw]

except those arent gender-based crimes. yes women can be dangerous and harmful and violent. but most gender-based crimes are men towards women. as much as you guys want to victimise yourselves because you dont want to admit the vivid and unneeded fear women (like myself) face

Most female crimes against men go unreported because of the shame involved of being a male thats been victimized by a female. This is a fact, sorry to burst your misandrist bubble.

 

[U. A.]

Most female crimes against men go unreported because of the shame involved of being a male thats been victimized by a female. This is a fact, sorry to burst your misandrist bubble.

yes, and 100% of male crimes against women are reported and believed and carried through to a just outcome.
facts.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

Patriarchy exists, and it hurts both men and women. It hurts men by indoctrinating them into harmful worldviews to perpetuate it, and by shunning those that don't conform, and women by the obvious "They are inferior" mindset and all that entails.

 

[KlMeNw]

Wow, another person who doesn't believe in the patriarchy. Where are we, 4Chan?

Maybe the privilege you're speaking of is actually more like responsibility, as in without men being responsible for building and maintaining civilization you wouldn't have the ability and privilege to complain about them all the time.

 

[rs929]

And all these psychopaths happen to be men who mysteriously happen to target women in 90% of cases just as a coincidence?

Where are you getting your data from? Way more men than women are murdered each year. Yeah perpetrators are also men in majority. But 90% of the cases are women? Wtf?
The world sucks and there are evil people that rape, steal, murder, abuse. Women are an easy prey for many of them. And I'm sorry for that. But there are many good guys out there, and you misandrists always leave that apart.
I'm done with your socratic method by the way. You still have to explain how I hate women.


By the way, hello to all the people watching the thread while eating popcorn

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

without men being responsible for building and maintaining civilization

You know all sexes can do that, right?

 

[KlMeNw]

You know all sexes can do that, right?

Lol, sure they do.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

By the way, hello to all the people watching the thread while eating popcorn

I was but I just had to butt in. Sorry for making a convoluted thread even more so, heh.

Lol, sure they do.

Um...dude, you know society is a cooperative effort, right?

 

[martyrdom]

Maybe the privilege you're speaking of is actually more like responsibility, as in without men being responsible for building and maintaining civilization you wouldn't have the ability and privilege to complain about them all the time.

What have you done to build and maintain civilization?
"Not all men" when it comes to men being violent against women but I see you happy to claim the achievements of other men when it comes to shit you had no part in. At least stay consistent.

 

[qwert3948]

Nobody is saying women are incapable of harm, but they generally don't harm men because they are men. Misandry does not exist as a systemic institutionalized structure of oppression. And misogyny is not just normalized, it is institutionalized - misandry never has been and never will be. The two are not remotely comparable, and a lot of women's distrust towards men is a normal and healthy reaction of an oppressed group reacting to their oppression in a rational way.

perfectly said

 

[martyrdom]

But there are many good guys out there, and you misandrists always leave that apart.

Are these good guys in the room with us right now?

 

[KlMeNw]

What have you done to build and maintain civilization?
"Not all men" when it comes to men being violent against women but I see you happy to claim the achievements of other men when it comes to shit you had no part in. At least stay consistent.

This whole post is proof of what OP was talking about. The irony is sweet and the misandry is strong with yall. I mean one guy says maybe we shouldn't hate on men so much and all the cat ladies and blue haired feminazi's come out of their burrows looking for blood. Lol, you couldn't have proved his point better.

 

[martyrdom]

This whole post is proof of what OP was talking about. The irony is sweet and the misandry is strong with yall. I mean one guy says maybe we shouldn't hate on men so much and all the cat ladies and blue haired feminazi's come out of their burrows looking for blood. Lol, you couldn't have proved his point better.

I'm a man, just not an incel like you guys. Get well

 

[rs929]

Are these good guys in the room with us right now?

There are many good guys in this forum that are receiving this "men are evil" bullshit from people like you, and some may believe it and feel guilty and worthless for it. We should learn to speak up

 

[martyrdom]

There are many good guys in this forum that are receiving this "men are evil" bullshit from people like you, and some may believe it and feel guilty and worthless for it. We should learn to speak up

The way I literally don't care at all.

 

[Lady_V]

I'm a man, just not an incel like you guys. Get well

Is it true? Do you really get bombarded with "men are evil" bullshit on this site?

 

[IncrediblePal]

Unrelated to the 'discussion' going on here but here is one of my colonist from Rimworld with Misandrist trail. She keeps starting social fights with the male colonists and hospitalizing them lol

 

[martyrdom]

Is it true? Do you really get bombarded with "men are evil" bullshit on this site?

Not enough of it, but I'm doing my part!