as much as I have a negative view of the world, positive change does sometimes happen. There's still racism and slavery, but in some ways, things have improved due to activism. Please can I come back to you on your point about the farming processes - I don't agree with this, but I've had no sleep and need time to make a response to this. I am finding it I don't count death as suffering either, but by carrying on buying meat, we increase demand for breeding animals, who will be generally treated badly and suffer. I don't expect farm animals or pets to have to survive in the wild; they just wouldn't exist if we stopped breeding them. I think keeping animals as pets is ok if they are already alive and are in rescue shelters, but I don't support breeding