Discussion What pro-lifers don't want you to know

[YourLocalEdgelord]

When you read about stories of failed attempts, the ones being raw and honest, you'll see different words being used to describe what were supposed to be their final moments:

Peace. Joy. Relief. Excitement. Uncertainty. Nothingness. Freedom. Regret. Fear. Hope.

Notice something? Most of these are positive.

Two of these could be considered a neutral observation: fear and uncertainty. These are a normal aspect of life and don't mean any negative consequences.

But there's only one word that actively hints at a harmful outcome.

"REGRET! This person regrets their attempt!!! It was a mistake!!! What were you thinking?!?"

And this is what pro-lifers weaponize.

Not only do they repeat this word over and over again, teaching others passively to do the same, but it's also easily ripped out of context. Let's take a look at some of these possible contexts, shall we?

1 - Regretting the attempt itself. The most popular societal context. A person could recover afterwards and be grateful to still be here. Valid, of course, but is this common? Let's look at the other possibilities first.

2 - Regretting HOW they attempted. It's unfortunately common to be denied proper education regarding these things. SaSu itself seems to be a miracle by nowadays standards. So if you have no other choice to try anything at all, of course the risks are higher.

3 - Regretting being found. Because we all know the consequences. A so called medical institution turned prison. Societal shaming for free on top. Trauma repackaged. Of course the human survival insrinct will want to prevent being traumatized.

4 - Regret = brain saying: danger, abort!!! The good old "I regret my jump midair". But is this really human regret? No, it's the hard wired survival instinct's final wild card to prevent death.

5 - "I regret it, I swear!" As a way of avoiding being imprisoned by authorities. A white lie. A survival of the mind, not the body.


As you can see, there's so much being ignored on purpose to achieve a socially established frame up. You know these statistics on getting sterilized, for example? Less than ten percent regret the surgery. And yet, they keep focusing on the 90%+ that are happy, overjoyed, and living a more peaceful life. Why?

It's all about control.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I also wonder how much of it is powered by SI. I imagine the amount of adrenaline during an attempt must be enormous. I wonder how long it lingers for the person. Can it readjust their attitude towards life? It seems unlikely longer term but, I don't know.

Even if it doesn't, a failed attempt with bad consequences could well put the person off going through that again. I very much doubt all that fail suicide attempts live happily ever after though.

I also imagine their life will change practically after a failed attempt. I think it likely it will become more obvious that the person needs help and support- if it was ignored before. Would they have gotten that level of support without an attempt? It's not to encourage suicide attempts. It's just sad that so many people don't seem to be taken seriously. Hence- occassionally, you get the odd post here of someone wanting to fake an attempt.

It's a comforting thought that some people do experience peace, joy and relief. It only seems fair after the person has doubtless suffered in life.

 

[wakeawake]

there also are some numbers I found contradictory in the public narrative, or at least very odd.

it gets said almost everywhere that only 1 in 20 or even 40 (depending on method) attempts succeed.

But then I found the other stat that of all actual suicide deaths, around 60% are first attempts.

That later number doesn't get published much, I sense because there is an agenda to make it seem much less likely to succeed.

From a strict 'prevention as mission' perspective I get why they do this, but it can breed a lot of distrust when you recognize how much the info is manipulated. And how those manipulated numbers also prop up the story that society needs to tell itself around this topic.

And yes definitely in the discourse regret and fear are two key things tied to those numbers.

I am not totally sure what is accurate just that the public facing info seems quite biased and doesnt tell the full story - I have spent a lot of time digging into the stats and assumptions.

 

[Passenger4224]

I love this post. Anti-suicide forced-life media has always left out the facts and taking everything out of context to push their view. You see the same thing everywhere else, especially politics. Nobody wants to tell you the truth, they'd rather just lie lie lie.

I also hate the mentality of, for example, "they didn't truly want to die, it took them a while before they actually jumped." Um, no, anyone with a brain would realize how difficult it is to CTB when your brain is literally hardwired to survive.

 

[starboy2k]

You're right. It's all about control.

Many pro-lifers aren't actually pro-life; they're pussies who are just as scared of dying as we are.

They project their fear onto suicidal people, control the means of a non-violent suicide, and scurry back to their mediocre lives, sponsored by unwritten bullshit societal rules they even hate living by.

When you finally realize you want out of a world like this, for whatever reason that may be, that NPC chip is broken.

They barely care about the folks who are glad they failed their attempts and are now living "happy lives," so you can bet your bottom dollar they couldn't give a flying fuck about the people who are pissed they're still alive.

 

[Le temps perdu]

some pro-lifers always tell someone who's suicidal that"things will get better", but I don't think that's an honest statement, because the future is inherently uncertain. They rarely acknowledge that things might not get better, the circumstance could stay the same, or even get worse. I recognize that some people's lives do improve over time. However, they often overlook the fact that even if someone's circumstances improve, the improvement may still fall far short of what that person needs or hopes for. In those cases, it may not change how they feel

 

[Ultimatefighter]

I think most regret comes from the fear and pain suffered during the attempt. Also the fear and pain after the attempt where you would be in worse shape.

If it would just be certain and painless this just goes out of the window. No more need to fight for a life you don't enjoy living

 

[Forveleth]

This is why, whenever I can, I love posting that I have zero regrets about my attempts and I hate that I am still alive. It ends pro-life threads surprisingly well.

 

[tooafraidtodiez]

The one who survived regret the pain they experience durong CTB, the one who don't is at eternal peace. If less painful method are more available there'd be less regret but obv the government doesnt want that.

 

[wakeawake]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I think this thread is ok place for it.

I've looked into reasons behind the pro-life agenda some more - just trying to understand the motives behind this mega push of such magnitude that is 'suicide prevention' and one thing I came across is simply the cost to healthcare systems of failed attempts. It's a huge cost benefit analysis that goes on at government levels - at least in countries where healthcare and disability etc. will in theory have to both cover the cost of failed attempts (the majority) and in cases of more hardcore failures support that person for life (even if badly).

So it becomes much better to manipulate the info and sew fear, and on the flip side - I again do hate to be so cynical - but I assume many parts of government would think of this as coldly as like insurance companies do.

On the flip side there is no reason for those types of agendas then not to promote the feel-good stories of pro-life and those narratives to pressure under the banner of it being a blanket 'good cause' etc.

 

[slashers4satan]

When you read about stories of failed attempts, the ones being raw and honest, you'll see different words being used to describe what were supposed to be their final moments:

Peace. Joy. Relief. Excitement. Uncertainty. Nothingness. Freedom. Regret. Fear. Hope.

Notice something? Most of these are positive.

Two of these could be considered a neutral observation: fear and uncertainty. These are a normal aspect of life and don't mean any negative consequences.

But there's only one word that actively hints at a harmful outcome.

"REGRET! This person regrets their attempt!!! It was a mistake!!! What were you thinking?!?"

And this is what pro-lifers weaponize.

Not only do they repeat this word over and over again, teaching others passively to do the same, but it's also easily ripped out of context. Let's take a look at some of these possible contexts, shall we?

1 - Regretting the attempt itself. The most popular societal context. A person could recover afterwards and be grateful to still be here. Valid, of course, but is this common? Let's look at the other possibilities first.

2 - Regretting HOW they attempted. It's unfortunately common to be denied proper education regarding these things. SaSu itself seems to be a miracle by nowadays standards. So if you have no other choice to try anything at all, of course the risks are higher.

3 - Regretting being found. Because we all know the consequences. A so called medical institution turned prison. Societal shaming for free on top. Trauma repackaged. Of course the human survival insrinct will want to prevent being traumatized.

4 - Regret = brain saying: danger, abort!!! The good old "I regret my jump midair". But is this really human regret? No, it's the hard wired survival instinct's final wild card to prevent death.

5 - "I regret it, I swear!" As a way of avoiding being imprisoned by authorities. A white lie. A survival of the mind, not the body.


As you can see, there's so much being ignored on purpose to achieve a socially established frame up. You know these statistics on getting sterilized, for example? Less than ten percent regret the surgery. And yet, they keep focusing on the 90%+ that are happy, overjoyed, and living a more peaceful life. Why?

It's all about control.

How can i regret ctb if im no longer able to think at all?

 

[CrawlingInMySkin]

I hate the average pro- lifer... I've said it before and I'll say it again, they're so ignorant. Why are they even trying to stop us, anyway? Savior complex? How does it affect them? Fuck, just let me die in peace. The corporations don't want us to die, and lose a precious slave. I hate this world... They wonder why we want to leave. Love n peace...