I showed the evidence right after I posted it. I literally shared the thread of he himself saying that he heated up nitrate and tried to convert it into nitrite. Now if you want to claim that people are saying things without providing evidence, it's you continuously saying that people fail due to vomiting, and a sodium nitride has a high failure rate, without providing any sort of evidence whatsoever.
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I don't say it has a high failure rate, some attempts to summarize the threads suggest it wworks mayb e 70-80% of the time, though a couple recent posters with symptoms of brain damage suggest that is lower than that, plus some other failure threads.
Like I said previously I'm not about to go in circles for the next 30 minutes to an hour for no reason just to get back to the same point we started before.
This is your first comment on this thread, and it is very dsrespectful to o.p., who is sharing a very painful personal experience, and you are ridiculing them right from the start.
get off my back. I'm not going in circles with you. I didn't ask for your criticism. Go spend your time doing something else. That was just a generalized comment it wasn't even directed to OP. Maybe I shouldn't have said it I don't care leave me alone. Instead of criticizing me for the one comment why don't you go look through the other ones. You're sitting here criticizing me for that one goddamn comment when there's hella people in here pretty much telling them that they're lying. I can't be asked to give a damn anymore. I will be dead soon.
You said "Sn is clearly a method that fails a significant percentage of the time, whether people like it or not."
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Papilio_polyxenes
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- Oct 4, 2022
- 53
Don't take my word on this, but I had an active order of that brand from a small out-of-state sporting goods store.
Their website displayed a picture of a bottle labeled "sodium nitrite," but the description referred to it "sodium nitrate."
I made up an absurd story (saltwater aquarium "dosing") to contact customer service. I told them I could only use nitrate and not nitrite, and they replied that their product was indeed nitrate.
Told them to cancel because I found a cheaper and safer brand…….to protect my coral and aquatic plants, of course.
Very disappointing.
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Symptoms of brain damage? With uhh... With what evidence? I know you like evidence.
This one???
To be honest I don't really know much but I think that it was nitrate also. I heard the nitrate will turn your blood Brown. I don't know if that's true or not. I do however know that when the product was still listed on Amazon it had bad reviews. Actually looking back I think there may have been two vendors or people or whatever that was selling it on Amazon. One of them is gone but I did find the other one. It looks like they stopped selling that one in a bottle and started selling SD brand before Amazon made them stop selling it all together.
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murphyy
yeehaw
- Nov 24, 2022
- 39
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
So that pretty much confirms my suspicions. OP believed he took nitrite, but it must've been nitrate. He'd be dead if it really was pure nitrite. Case closed, at least for me.
The evidence is what people have posted here, which is most of the evidence we all have for this method. We're all in pain here, and I'm sorry you are in so much pain as well. Sn will likely be my method for a first attempt, and I hope it works, I have a good protocol, though I wish I had benzos. But it's good to see what increases or decreases chances of this working. Soem of your posts are respectful to o.p., I just wish they all were. We all want to find peace as reliably as possible.
What like- I'm very disappointed that this didn't kill me? Sorry to derail the thread OP. I'm afraid I do have a dark sense of humour...
Still- I agree. Threads like this are so useful in determining where there may be problems with a method- either not following the protocol or the brand itself. It's just SO awful that people have to go through all this suffering for us to find out.
I really hope the effects have subsided now and you are resting.
I'm sorry you're hurting as well and if I come across aggressive. I don't have benzos either. I'll be using meto, 30mg of Propranolol, and that's it I guess.
You're right I shouldn't have made that comment. I need to be a bit more sensitive. I was probably just messing off and not even paying attention when I posted it anyway.
If the SN fails, I'll try once more, if that doesn't work, I'll hang myself.
Yeah I think they actually did post a picture of the bottle but they removed it. I'm pretty sure it was the exact same thing but the color of the label was different. I could be wrong. If you Google "filmerine" it should take you to one of the vendors that was providing it. The one vendor that comes up on the jungle website with the pink bag changed the product and started selling SD brand. There was one other vendor/person selling the Reagent Inc SN on jungle but I'm not able to find them now.
LookingOverTheEdge
Hello Darkness my old friend
- Jul 13, 2020
- 357
I never intended to cause any arguments here. All I've done is explained what I did, and what I felt through it. People are entitled to draw their own conclusions, and that includes not believing a word of it. That's entirely up to them, and I don't mind at all.
I have no agenda here. There's nothing for me to gain from this. I'm not aiming to influence or dissuade anyone from anything.
There's no need to argue about any of this. This place has always been one of support and understanding in my eyes. I know people are on edge lately due to outside attention, but I believe this site has a strong purpose and it should stay that way.
Just an update on me for anyone interested. I still feel quite weak. Still very much have a strange feeling in my chest and stomach. But the worst seems to have passed after sleeping for a few more hours. Mentally however, there is no change. I'm devastated to still be here and I wish I wasn't. It really is only a matter of time for me I think
I have no agenda here. There's nothing for me to gain from this. I'm not aiming to influence or dissuade anyone from anything.
There's no need to argue about any of this. This place has always been one of support and understanding in my eyes. I know people are on edge lately due to outside attention, but I believe this site has a strong purpose and it should stay that way.
Just an update on me for anyone interested. I still feel quite weak. Still very much have a strange feeling in my chest and stomach. But the worst seems to have passed after sleeping for a few more hours. Mentally however, there is no change. I'm devastated to still be here and I wish I wasn't. It really is only a matter of time for me I think
two and a half teaspoons is under 10 grams , how did you think that would be a fatal dose?
LookingOverTheEdge
Hello Darkness my old friend
- Jul 13, 2020
- 357
5g is enough to be fatal friend. And to be clear, I'm not talking about a teaspoon of water. This stuff comes out in big clumps. You can fit a lot on to a teaspoon, which I then ground up. I definitely didn't use 25g, I'm certain of that. But I would estimate that it was easily 10+.
self harm not suicide attempt. people like you lying on this website are weird
LookingOverTheEdge
Hello Darkness my old friend
- Jul 13, 2020
- 357
Your entitled to your opinion. But you're wrong. I have been perfectly honest. Regardless, thank you for your valuable contribution. You've added a lot to the discussion
for those looking for helpful reliable sources regarding sodium nitrite check out academic literature so that you know what you may be getting yourself into. a similiar case same low dosage ingestion with survival.
[Survival after self‐poisoning with sodium nitrite: A case report]
Adiba M. Matin, MD, Eric T. Boie, MD, and Gregory P. Moore, MD
IntelligentLeg
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- Nov 6, 2022
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sadstuffie
Student
- Aug 11, 2020
- 162
i believe we have spoken before on here! your experience is interesting. whatever ends up happening, i hope you can feel calm.
Lysandre
I cannot tell yet I don't even wanna know
- Nov 22, 2021
- 55
I've seen someone reporting symptoms of dyschronometria after a failed attempt a few months ago.
freelifexit
Specialist
- Nov 7, 2021
- 391
From this article (Page 2, Discussion, 2nd paragraph): "Nitrite is also a potent vasodilator and can
cause coronary ischemia and stroke as a result of hypotension, tachycardia, and hypoxia."
Also article about survived case with brain damage: "Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, and motor changes. Common causes include cardiogenic shock, severe anemia, massive blood loss, and poisoning. There are only a few reports of DPHL due to nitrite poisoning in literature.
Most patients usually recover completely. However, DPHL can easily induce long-term neurological deficits. Within a few weeks, patients with mild symptoms gradually begin to recover some functions, such as speaking and walking. After 1–−2 years, most patients return to their baseline level, but following such poisoning, cognitive impairment including short-term memory deficits and fatigue may persist and hamper the patient's independence, reducing their quality of life."
People deserve to know about possible risks before choosing method, sharing true negative information is not fear mongering, especially provided with links to articles. While trying to hide all negative information about suicide method as you propose is unethical and inhuman. Especially trying to hide or deny cases when SN was painful or caused suffocation.
Regarding failed SN attempt, this is not the first time people survived SN without vomiting or vomited 3-5 hours later after SN and survived, 3-5 hours is a lot of time for SN because usually it takes 1-4 hours to kill you.
You can find several such cases in this document (dartz, Johnrio, Suicidal4Ever). Plus this case.
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SN kills via methemoglobinemia- transforming the red blood cells so that they less effectively transport oxygen to tissues and major organs. So- chemical suffocation I suppose.
I do know that a feeling of breatlessness is possible with SN- which would make sense as the body attempts to get more oxygen in. This certainly does trouble me deeply- although my hope is you may pass out before you begin to suffer the worst of it.
Saying simply 'suffocation' sounds more terrifying to me though- I associate that more with either hanging (unless you successfuly manage to break your neck) or drowning. Both of which (personally) frighten me more.
I DO definitely agree with you that we need to discuss the pros and cons of each method- so that we are as informed as we can be when making our own choice. That said, I also get the distinct impression you are very biased against SN (fair enough as a personal perspective) and jump at the opportunity to share horrifying failed examples (that may well be true.) Still, I think using words like 'suffocation' which I would argue is more suggestive of asphyxiation or strangulation is less representative of the process and makes it seem more terrifying. (To me anyhow- maybe other people interpreted it differently.)
I do understand your viewpoint to an extent- SN I think can be seen as some magical, totally painless miracle cure here- when we ought to be realistic about it. Still- I think you can do that without swinging entirely in the opposite direction. I'm certain there are failed attempt horror stories out there on most methods to be fair.
Mofreeko
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- Apr 7, 2019
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freelifexit
Specialist
- Nov 7, 2021
- 391
I'm just glad you guys have managed to turn this into a shit slinging thread, again. Bravo.
OP, thanks for sharing. As you said multiple times, your story isn't actually scary at all. Just informative. Hope you're feeling better.
I sympathize with your plight of wanting to release people. I kind of feel that once you don't have anything to hope for, nobody can help either, and it's best to just keep to yourself until the deed is done.
OP, thanks for sharing. As you said multiple times, your story isn't actually scary at all. Just informative. Hope you're feeling better.
I sympathize with your plight of wanting to release people. I kind of feel that once you don't have anything to hope for, nobody can help either, and it's best to just keep to yourself until the deed is done.
You're right. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to do research and to help inform everyone of certain risk that can happen.
LookingOverTheEdge
Hello Darkness my old friend
- Jul 13, 2020
- 357
At the time, I was in a particularly bad state of mind and the decision to just go ahead and do it was made very suddenly.
Funnily enough, when you're not thinking with a rational state of mind, you don't think about a two day regimen, or breaking out weighing scales. I took propranolol and sleeping pills. I got a spoon, I took what I judged to be a sufficient amount of sn, small amount of water, mixed and drank. It was all done within the space of a minute or two.
Following a regimen is all well and good, but I still expected 15g of the stuff to do the trick, when 5g is supposedly a lethal dose. Jokes on me right?
i just read this whole thread. I hope that you are physically recovering completely, LOTE. Failure is what i am most afraid of.
I am physically strong and i read about how the killers tried to poison Rasputin in Russia with enough poison (don't know what kind) to kill many men and it didn't work. My fallback method is SN. I think I'm not supposed to mention the brand name, but it begins with L and says 99.6% pure reagent grade SN. I got it from amazon. Does anyone know if that one is good? It does have a blue and yellow label which someone on this thread said to beware of.
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