Ok first of all.. to say that biologically born males competing in women's sports is a "non-issue" is completely intellectually dishonest and you don't even make an argument for it because you know you can't. Biologically born males and biologically born females are VERY different.
It is a non-issue. The current lines are drawn arbritrarily and do you want to know something? The biological differences between member of a certain sex category are just as severe as the differences between men and women in general, look at the picture below. Gender alone doesn't give you an inherent advantage/disadvantage and it makes absolutely no sense to seperate sport based on sex. We also have to understand that only a tiny minority of each sex are able to participate in competitive sport anyway, they're already an extreme in their own sex group. The average person has no match on somebody who is an athlethic runner or an MMA fighter, regardless of sex. Just look up
Gabrielle Lemos Garcia, a mixed marcial artist who is also a cis-woman. She is an absolute beast of a person and she would destroy pretty much everyone in this forum in a fair fight, you and me included. And she is without a doubt more beefy than 99% of trans women.
Gabi is on the right. And yes, she is a cis-woman. This example alone proves the absurdity of your position. Sport, as it exists right now, is inherently unfair. We should seperate sport based on height, weight, hormone levels, age, etc to make it as fair as evenly possible and not on sex alone because that still leaves so much room for biological advantages. Sincere question: does this matchup look fair to you? More fair than trans-women vs cis-women? Seriously? Why do trans women in women's sport bother you but this doesn't?
Destanie Yarbrough(170cm tall) vs Gabi Garcia(187cm tall)
Let's also not forget that you're advocating for trans-men, who take testosterone - to compete against cis-women. How does that make sense?
Secondly, if assault in bathrooms are rare... Why are you so afraid to go into the mens bathroom then?
I'm pretty sure people don't need to identify as female first to enter a certain bathroom anyway, right? So what's that talking point. Seperating bathrooms based on sex doesn't create that invisible, inpenetratable shield for cis-women. So let's not pretend that trying to keep trans-women out of women's bathroom protects anyone. Anyone can enter any bathroom, at any given time, regardless of their sex and someone who wants to assault women in female bathrooms will enter bathrooms, period. I don't think there are laws dicating the sex of people who want to enter a certain bathroom anyway.
That being said, there are enough studies that indicate trans women are more often victims of sexual and physical assault than both cis-men
and cis-women. Here is a study for example.
williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu
Transgender people (16+) are victimized over four times more often than cisgender people. In 2017-2018, transgender people experienced 86.2 victimizations per 1,000 people compared to 21.7 victimizations per 1,000 people for cisgender people.
Transgender women and men had higher rates of violent victimization (86.1 and 107.5 per 1,000 people, respectively) than cisgender women and men (23.7 and 19.8 per 1,000 people, respectively).
So if you care so much about assault in bathrooms, maybe you should rethink your position and adopt a trans-inclusive policy. Trans women aren't the ones doing the sexual assault, they're victim of sexual assault. I also want to point out that your talking point about "predatory trans women invading women spaces" (for example as a result of self-ID laws) have been debunked thorougly among academic circles. Here are some studies dissescting if trans-inclusive policies pose a danger to cis-women in bathrooms.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1468-2230.12507
https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/ws/files/139271435/Bristol_Pure_Version_PD.pdf
https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4rs4n6h0
There also is a real growing movement of ex trans men who mistakenly took hormones because they thought girls couldn't have short hair, like stereotypical guy things or just felt uncomfortable being sexualized as female. This is not every trans mans experience, however there is a real movement of genuine detransitioners and they should be listened to aswel .. but when they do, they can viciously attacked by trans activists. Radical feminists also see trans women as biologically born males with just so happens to be factually correct.
Citation needed. Oh wait, I'll have citations for you.
According to this study with 17'000 participants, 15% detransition, of whom only 2%(!) detransitioned with a reason related to their gender, all others(!) detransitioned due to external factors such as pressure from friends, family and cowokers or financial reasons, etc.
Purpose: There is a paucity of data regarding transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people who “detransition,” or go back to living as their sex assigned at birth. This study examined reasons for past detransition among TGD people in the ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Study observing trans youth for 5 years, only 2% detransitioned
BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVES. Concerns about early childhood social transitions among transgender youth include that these youth may later change their gender identification (ie, retransition), a process that could be distressing. The current study aimed to provide the first estimate of...
publications.aap.org
Scientific paper from the UK with 3398 attendes, 0.47% expressed transition-related regret
Study from the Netherlands, only 1.9% detransition rate.
Another study from the Netherlands, only 0.6% of trans women and 0.3% of trans men experienced regret.
The number of people with gender identity issues seeking professional help increased dramatically in recent decades. The percentage of people who regretted gonadectomy remained small and did not show a tendency to increase. Wiepjes CM, Nota NM, de Blok CJM, et al. The Amsterdam Cohort of Gender...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Study from Sweden with 767 participants, only 2% expressed regrets
Study from the US which found 8% detransitionedm of whom 62% did so for societal, financial or family pressure related reasons.
So don't come at me with muh detransitioners. We're talking about a tiny little minority here and they're in no way representative for trans people. You know what you're doing? It's called concern trolling. As if you care about detransitoners, come on. You didn't even do basic research because if you did, you'd knew it's a tiny minority and they're statistically insignifcant when it comes the effectiveness of transitioning on a statistical level
You are the one who made it political and have just demonstrated my point. But it's funny how that only ever works one way and if this site is really about helping people, then people should be able to speak their truth on both sides .. not lie to people and not accuse people with a different opinion as you transphobic.
There are no both sides. But hey, let's just settle the question of transphobia once and for all and answer the most easiest question for me. Are trans women real women? It's a simple yes or no question.