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Dec 28, 2022
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And now we're seeing this transphobia continue with Kansas making it illegal for trans people to use public bathrooms. Lawmakers are slowly trying to make it illegal for trans people to exist. You should be outraged by this, even if you aren't trans.

Should Wisconsin ever pass something similar, then I'll just break the law. I don't give a fuck. I have just as much right to a women's bathroom as any cis woman.
 
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And now we're seeing this transphobia continue with Kansas making it illegal for trans people to use public bathrooms. Lawmakers are slowly trying to make it illegal for trans people to exist. You should be outraged by this, even if you aren't trans.

Should Wisconsin ever pass something similar, then I'll just break the law. I don't give a fuck. I have just as much right to a women's bathroom as any cis woman.
I agree there's an undeserved attack happening. Can I ask what answer you've been looking for here? Just so other people know what advice you want. Like for example do you just want me to say to put all effort in drugs to numb the pain? Do you want to the ctb or just give up on hope? Alot of people have offered support but doesn't seem like its helpful.
I'm so sorry. Wring thread. Please disregard what I said. Unfortunately heavily drugged. I fully sport and recognize the trama the trans community has suffered. I have a "token" trans friend nor to be offensive but ome of the realist people I know. Its outrageous hate for no reason. 3veryones on their own path and when it hurts no one especially when real love is the other side theres no justified reason to hurt people who aren't exactly like you. Like any other issue. People deserve love with others and self.
 
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WaitingToGo

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Feb 18, 2023
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In Germany, we will hopefully also soon have the ability to legally change gender/name on our birth certificate.

But it's just one part of the puzzle. Better access to gender affirming care is another that's not on the political radar yet unfortunately.
We had that in the UK back in the 1980's. Wow who would've thought the UK was so "progressive ". after the birth certificate it meant we could get a new passport. Amazing times back then.
 
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I agree there's an undeserved attack happening. Can I ask what answer you've been looking for here? Just so other people know what advice you want. Like for example do you just want me to say to put all effort in drugs to numb the pain? Do you want to the ctb or just give up on hope? Alot of people have offered support but doesn't seem like its helpful.
I don't think I'm really looking for any answers with this thread. It's moreso just a way of getting that frustration and sadness out of my system. I am thankful for your support, and I wish that the rest of the world was more supportive.
 
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Poor little woodpecker
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I don't think I'm really looking for any answers with this thread. It's moreso just a way of getting that frustration and sadness out of my system. I am thankful for your support, and I wish that the rest of the world was more supportive.
I thought I was responding in the giving up on dreams. Sorry. But yeah so many things make me uncomfortable never this. I still dont attack people that make me uncomfortable. 0 compassion in those people they know nothing of struggle. I respect the bravery to follow your heart.
 
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We had that in the UK back in the 1980's. Wow who would've thought the UK was so "progressive ". after the birth certificate it meant we could get a new passport. Amazing times back then.

Sorry, my wording was imprecise. What I meant was "we're soon getting a universal self-ID law" (I say universal cuz there's technically alteady a legal hack that allows it but it doesn't always work), replacing the old transsexual clause from the 80s which was very cumbersome, expensive and often humiliating (but it did allow changing legal gender and even made exposing a trans person's past gender entry without consent a crime). It's possible that your law from the 80s is an analogue to it.

Speaking of which, I believe the Scotts had a similar revision in mind which was unfortunately blocked by the UK:

 
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It feels like things are just getting worse every day. I have to explain to the HR department at work why placing an envelope with my deadname on it in a place where anyone can see is a major problem.

This is the second time I've had to deal with people seeing my deadname at work, and I'm furious because it doesn't get taken seriously. I don't care if it's an accident, it's still blatant negligence.
 
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And now we're seeing this transphobia continue with Kansas making it illegal for trans people to use public bathrooms.

It is not illegal for trans to use public bathrooms. No way. I don't believe it. Do you have any proof?
 
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Apr 26, 2023
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i have lots of reasons as to why i'm going to CTB, but this is one of them. i'm a trans man, i've been out since 2017. but now all of a sudden it's a problem. they don't want us to live. i don't want to live in a world that dehumanizes me simply for being transgender.
 
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It is not illegal for trans to use public bathrooms. No way. I don't believe it. Do you have any proof?
Kansas law states that a person may only use public bathrooms that align with their birth sex. That makes it illegal for trans people to use public bathrooms. You could've found that out through a basic google search instead of denying reality.
 
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Kansas law states that a person may only use public bathrooms that align with their birth sex. That makes it illegal for trans people to use public bathrooms. You could've found that out through a basic google search instead of denying reality.

Having to pick an option you don't like is not the same as having no options at all. I was baiting you a bit cuz I knew you would have to concede that trans people aren't banned from going into a room and peeing.

Transphobia means not affirming a trans-persons every wish so inevitably, most people will be transphobic at some point.
 
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I feel like the world is being swallowed by the politically driven trans agenda. The far left divide and conquer strategy driving hate between everyone is so successful literally no one in this thread is even aware of how much they have been manipulated by them. For those of us who see reality it is like literally watching civilization coming to an end.

"driving hate between everyone"

Transphobes:

 
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cgrtt.brns

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Apr 19, 2023
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Having to pick an option you don't like is not the same as having no options at all. I was baiting you a bit cuz I knew you would have to concede that trans people aren't banned from going into a room and peeing.

Transphobia means not affirming a trans-persons every wish so inevitably, most people will be transphobic at some point.
if you knew what it was like to be trans you would know that this is basically banning trans people from using public toilets. many of us would rather hold it in for days and piss ourselves than go into the wrong bathroom. and that is what many of us HAVE to do. many trans people develop bladder and urinary tract problems because of holding it in too long. its not a case of "oh well if you have to go just use the one thats available to you" because there are so many problems with that. being screamed at and forced out of the bathroom that aligns with your sex assigned at birth because youre a man with a beard and a deep voice in the womens bathroom, being taken advantage of because cis men see a woman in the mens bathroom, etc. its not as simple as you think. its terrifying.
it is transphobia because it is intentionally putting trans people in danger.
 
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Having to pick an option you don't like is not the same as having no options at all. I was baiting you a bit cuz I knew you would have to concede that trans people aren't banned from going into a room and peeing.

Transphobia means not affirming a trans-persons every wish so inevitably, most people will be transphobic at some point.
I didn't concede anything. Trans people are banned from using public bathrooms in Kansas. If I was in Kansas, then I wouls have to break the law to use a public bathroom. I don't see what isn't clicking.

Using a men's room isn't an option for trans women, and using a women's room definitely isn't an option for trans men.

Take your bigoted bullshit elsewhere.
 
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Having to pick an option you don't like is not the same as having no options at all. I was baiting you a bit cuz I knew you would have to concede that trans people aren't banned from going into a room and peeing.

Transphobia means not affirming a trans-persons every wish so inevitably, most people will be transphobic at some point.
wtf bro? people just wanna pee and move on with their lives. u purposely "baiting" people? what in the hell are u trying to achieve? Trans folks (esp those who are more visibly trans) have genuinely been assaulted and harassed just for wanting to pee or take a shit, no matter which toilet they go into. But then again, most of em would rather not go to a public bathroom coz of ppl like you. and then they would go on to develop some bladder problem or internal organ problems.

they could never win with the likes of you, no matter if they're "passing" or not. how do I know this? I've worked in public health and have done some really thorough analyses through available lit and reporting from trans folks' healthcare, and from reading their health reports from clinicians.

"Most people will be transphobic at some point"? Congrats, well done on exposing your core beliefs and projecting them onto every single person in this world.

NB: FFS, not everyone is like you.
 
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because cis men see a woman in the mens bathroom
I would not want to see this, because it will catch me off guard, vice versa.
Then again, I don't even use public bathrooms because I know the lot of are filthy anyways and there's nothing I hate more than a filthy bathroom.
 
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Then again, I don't even use public bathrooms because I know the lot of are filthy anyways and there's nothing I hate more than a filthy bathroom.
That's the kicker with a lot of this. I've seen some cis women say that they'd feel unsafe sharing a bathroom with a trans woman, but... Who has ever felt safe in a public bathroom?
 
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U gt a warnng
& u gt a warnng
& u gt a warnng

Warnngs fr evry1
 
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U gt a warnng
& u gt a warnng
& u gt a warnng

Warnngs fr evry1

Why are you laughing about giving warnings to people?

Since I got a warning for my views, I will try to ignore threads like this in future.

I can see that people replied to my post. Thanks to those that took the time to try to educate me about this -- and there might be something to learn from those replies, but since I will not be able to reply to those posts without fear of another warning, what is the point in me reading them and engaging?

I will let others who are like me and have some questions and disagreements know: it's not worth losing your account. Discuss it somewhere else.

I was still forming an opinion on this subject before, and was open to my mind being changed, by the way.
 
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Why are you laughing about giving warnings to people?

Since I got a warning for my views, I will try to ignore threads like this in future.

I can see that people replied to my post. Thanks to those that took the time to try to educate me about this -- and there might be something to learn from those replies, but since I will not be able to reply to those posts without fear of another warning, what is the point in me reading them and engaging?

I will let others who are like me and have some questions and disagreements know: it's not worth losing your account. Discuss it somewhere else.

I was still forming an opinion on this subject before, and was open to my mind being changed, by the way.

Pls rst assurd tht u wll nt hve problms if u r askng questns & r opn 2 lernng -- wld jst ask all membrs on thred wh/ r stll lernng tht thy r commntng on a persns medcl conditn -- s/ n.e membr tryn2 us gtcha questns 2 try 2 prve trans membrs wrng wll b v distrssng fr thm bcse thy r dscussng thr I.r.l xpernces & hw diffclt thy r fr thm

Slf apolgse if slf warnng commnt in thred mde u uncomfrtble -- slf ws expressng own xasperatn @ th/ sheer numbr of ppl recntly wh/ r tellng trans membrs tht thr conditn = abt an agenda or tryn2 tll thm tht thse problms r nt real or tht thy d/ nt 'agree' wth th/ idea of trans ppl in genrl

Thre hs bn a signfcnt incrse in thse commnts mde 2wrds thse membrs & threds lke thse r attrctng thm -- slf frstratn @ recognisng ths ws xpressd thru sme levity bcse tht = jst slf own persnlty
 
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Pls rst assurd tht u wll nt hve problms if u r askng questns & r opn 2 lernng -- wld jst ask all membrs on thred wh/ r stll lernng tht thy r commntng on a persns medcl conditn -- s/ n.e membr tryn2 us gtcha questns 2 try 2 prve trans membrs wrng wll b v distrssng fr thm bcse thy r dscussng thr I.r.l xpernces & hw diffclt thy r fr thm

Slf apolgse if slf warnng commnt in thred mde u uncomfrtble -- slf ws expressng own xasperatn @ th/ sheer numbr of ppl recntly wh/ r tellng trans membrs tht thr conditn = abt an agenda or tryn2 tll thm tht thse problms r nt real or tht thy d/ nt 'agree' wth th/ idea of trans ppl in genrl

Thre hs bn a signfcnt incrse in thse commnts mde 2wrds thse membrs & threds lke thse r attrctng thm -- slf frstratn @ recognisng ths ws xpressd thru sme levity bcse tht = jst slf own persnlty

Thanks for that reply. Genuinely. I understand that even if you might be open to having a hands-off approach to moderation (I moderate somewhere else and am very hands-off, I let the members sort their problems out and step in only if it goes haywire), others expect you to step in, and it's hard to weigh everyone's needs up, and on a suicide forum and especially in a pro-trans safe-space, those who feel more vulnerable will have to take precedence.

I value this website and won't risk being banned so I have blocked most people in this thread to avoid the temptation of replying to them. Trans people aren't here to debate their rights or biology so it's just best for those with opinions like mine to stay out of these threads. It's not even on subject! I should be discussing life, not politics.

Good luck, Dot.
 
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rationaltake

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Who has ever felt safe in a public bathroom?
Exactly.

I'm really sorry for all the hassle you're exposed to just for being you. Nobody should ever be treated like that.

Personally I'm really nervous about mixing with people in general and find communal bathrooms very scary. In some modern buildings they have a row of one-toilet one-person cubicles which I find much better. I expect it will be a long time before this becomes the norm - unless they find another solution.
 
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There was a time that black people couldn't use the same public transportation as white people.

I dare anyone here to justify such a discriminatory law today?

And if black and white people are equal, why wouldn't CIS and TRANS people be as well?
 
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There was a time that black people couldn't use the same public transportation as white people.

I dare anyone here to justify such a discriminatory law today?

And if black and white people are equal, why wouldn't CIS and TRANS people be as well?

Being black is not a feeling or identity that needs affirming. It's just visible. There was no transgender slavery, lynching, redlining, etc. They're too different things, but discrimination isn't good no matter who it is against. Unless you think transracialism is real then you can't compare race to gender identity.
 
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Why are you laughing about giving warnings to people?

Since I got a warning for my views, I will try to ignore threads like this in future.

I can see that people replied to my post. Thanks to those that took the time to try to educate me about this -- and there might be something to learn from those replies, but since I will not be able to reply to those posts without fear of another warning, what is the point in me reading them and engaging?

I will let others who are like me and have some questions and disagreements know: it's not worth losing your account. Discuss it somewhere else.

I was still forming an opinion on this subject before, and was open to my mind being changed, by the way.

This topic should be in off topic ——> politics and philosophy

Hope you are okay, I am sorry that you can't openly say your views without getting a warning or fear of losing your account

Don't worry and don't take it hard on yourself, everything will be okay just avoid the negativity and move on!

Solution for all this problem is just built a gender inclusive washrooms and create a separate category in sports!
 
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Being black is not a feeling or identity that needs affirming. It's just visible. There was no transgender slavery, lynching, redlining, etc. They're too different things, but discrimination isn't good no matter who it is against. Unless you think transracialism is real then you can't compare race to gender identity.
The point being made is that segregation and discrimination are wrong. To many people, the bathroom bills that have been pushed for the past few years are all too reminiscent of Jim Crow laws.

Being trans is also not a feeling or identity; it's a neurological condition. Gender and race are both things that are inherent to a person's existence; they're born in that way.
This topic should be in off topic ——> politics and philosophy

Hope you are okay, I am sorry that you can't openly say your views without getting a warning or fear of losing your account

Don't worry and don't take it hard on yourself, everything will be okay just avoid the negativity and move on!

Solution for all this problem is just built a gender inclusive washrooms and create a separate category in sports!
Coddling someone who's breaking rules isn't a smart thing to do; it encourages them to break the rules again. This isn't an issue of someone being unable to say their views; this is an issue of someone bringing the exact thing that I was venting about into this thread. The only negativity is the negativity that that person is spreading.

He's not a victim. Around half a dozen people have gotten warnings for making transphobic statements on my threads alone. Try showing sympathy for the one actually being wronged.

"Gender inclusive" bathrooms are unnecessary. I'm just gonna keep on using the women's bathroom because I belong in a women's bathroom. I have just as much right to use a women's bathroom as any cis woman. The sports aspect is a non-issue. Anyone who cares that much about sports is a pathetic loser.

Sports and bathrooms are also far from the only issues trans people face. We're disproportionately targeted for violent crime, and politicians are trying to strip away our healthcare. Gender isn't a protected category in many places, so numerous anti-trans hate crimes don't actually get accounted for by the FBI because cops don't treat them as hate crimes.

In February, a 16-year-old trans girl was murdered in the UK for being trans, and the media went out of their way to deadname and misgender her at every opportunity. Trans people aren't even being allowed to rest peacefully in death, let alone in life. Then you have the reactions that US conservatives are having to a single mass shooter being trans; they want to strip us of our constitutional rights and have even gone on record saying as much.

The majority of people don't even understand what being trans is, yet those exact people legislate around our existence. Then you have predatory creeps like Matt Walsh who obsess over children's genitals and want bodily autonomy to cease to exist.

I have made multiple threads about my struggles as a trans woman, and they constantly get raided by bigoted assholes who can't stand that they're not the center of attention, one even going so far as to sexually harass me. After being rightfully warned by mods, sometimes even by the site administrator herself, they play the victim despite being the instigators.

If someone posted something transphobic in another section of the site, I would report it, just like I report the transphobic responses that I get on my threads. Grow up.
 
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Being black is not a feeling or identity that needs affirming. It's just visible. There was no transgender slavery, lynching, redlining, etc. They're too different things, but discrimination isn't good no matter who it is against. Unless you think transracialism is real then you can't compare race to gender identity.
My point is that discrimination is to be avoided wherever it arises.

As black people ought to have the same rights as white people so should women, regardless of their genetic makeup have equal rights. The difference between CIS and Trans women is in their DNA as is skintone, eye color, hair color, ...

The third Reich with its Arian ideals of blonde hair and blue eyes is in the past. Let it remain there.
 
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This topic should be in off topic ——> politics and philosophy

Hope you are okay, I am sorry that you can't openly say your views without getting a warning or fear of losing your account

Don't worry and don't take it hard on yourself, everything will be okay just avoid the negativity and move on!

Solution for all this problem is just built a gender inclusive washrooms and create a separate category in sports!

Thred subjct = a transgendr persn ventng abt transphbia whch mkes thm suicdl -- th/ thred b-longs hre

Transphbia &/or harmfl commnts basd on misinfrmatn or ignornce wll receve warnngs
 
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This topic should be in off topic ——> politics and philosophy

Hope you are okay, I am sorry that you can't openly say your views without getting a warning or fear of losing your account

Don't worry and don't take it hard on yourself, everything will be okay just avoid the negativity and move on!

Thanks for that, Vizzy. I didn't mean to offend anyone. Unfortunately, there is no way of talking about this delicate matter without offending someone outside of a few perspectives, and I recognize that some people might feel triggered by reading said perspectives. You're right though! I need to avoid this subject here. I'll speak about it on websites where I don't fear being banned lol.

Solution for all this problem is just built a gender inclusive washrooms and create a separate category in sports!

Gender-inclusive washrooms? What does that mean? Single-user ones would be the way to go. The death of women going to the bathroom in packs to do makeup and talk, but that's a sacrifice they will have to make. As for a separate category in sports, that doesn't go down well with the trans community.
 
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