Venting I feel like the world is being swallowed by transphobia

[aquarian122]

I think it's becoming more accepting.
I think it's becoming more accepting.

 

[Flailure 513282]

Everywhere I look, I keep seeing it. Someone I used to respect because of her dedication to exposing a particular hoax just made a video where she used Dylan Mulvaney as a springboard to shitting on trans people. People are pushing for a 21st century take on the Mulford Act that targets trans people.

The UK is, well, it's the UK. The Tories are ruining everything as usual.

I'm fucking sick of all of it. There's so much hate toward people who just wanna do their own thing, people like me. I've even had to deal with being sexually harassed by a transphobe on this site (he left the site because he got in trouble for it though). If you take any of the shit that people are pushing about trans people and substituted in any other minority, then you'd be (rightfully) called a Nazi or a racist, but it's apparently socially acceptable to treat trans people as subhumans.

I just want the entire world to shut the fuck up. (maybe Yagami Light was right)

The state of the world sucks for a lot of trans people. I'm lucky enough to be living in a country that is pretty good for trans people. But Its heartbreaking seeing the truely vile treatment and violence that so many trans people are facing. I'm so sorry that you are one of the people who has to bear the brunt of this dogmatic BS. I wish you the best.

Hopefully these bigoted POS end up blacklisted from any job, shunned by society, and die misrably alone. It is at least funny seeing an asshole like Graham Linehan winge about his family leaving him. Hopefully that'll happen to more of them.

 

[7thundercloud]

True. What makes me feel even worse is when they bring up detransitioners. Half these people don't even understand all detransitioners or care about them. I spent some time in the detrans subreddit and there is a good amount of people who don't regret transitioning or still support the trans community. You only see the detransitioners who hate trans ppl and generalize us as groomers, say young trans people are brainwashed (like that person in the matt walsh video). They get all the spotlight and just ignore other detransitioners views. Both of us just don't get any support IRL

 

[BroodingBleu]

Transphobia has been a very heated discussion especially recently in the States. Its getting worse and worse with the laws being passed. That coupled with my crippling body dysphoria make it nearly impossible to NOT want to CTB.

 

[RubySimon]

I don't want to offend anyone so I will break my points up to make it harder to strawman my whole post. I don't suppose anyone will actually engage with my points, I will just be called names:

1. It [any aggressive gender-nonconforming identity that persisted after the "tomboy"-youth] used to be called transsexual or transvestite before, although they are slightly different things, but it wasn't as "popular" as it is now.

2. Nobody raised their children as a theybie before the 2000s. Very few people transitioned their child before 2000.

3. I don't have any stats on how many gender-affirming amputations of children's breasts were done before 2000, but I am sure it is higher now.

4. Now it isn't about gender-dysphoria and it isn't about needing to transition in any way so the "barrier to entry" is lower. There are young autistic girls who hate the idea that they might be sexualized by society, but they don't have gender-dysphoria, so they take the middleground and identify as nonbinary, for instance. It seems more political than gender-based.

5. But for those who legitimately have gender-dysphoria, it must be terrible. They should be allowed to pay for anything they need to make themselves feel less dysphoric. Be it hormones or bottom-surgery. And they should not be harassed in the streets or anything. I don't know why this issue is painted as "either you're pro-trans or pro-transgenocide!". It is possible to take some middleground. If I state any middlegrounded positions, I would be called transphobic so I won't.

6. I empathize (or sympathize?) with all trans folk here and wish them peace. They didn't ask to be born into a world where sex has such meaning and influence over life. They didn't ask to be trans.

Ha! I wish it was that simple to get a breast removal. I can't even get a first appointment and I'm a whole 34 years old. Nobody is giving adults surgery let alone kids! Also an aurtistic don't YOU DARE try and dehumanise us as if we have no abilty to think for ourselves. You are part of the problm and why many us trans folks want to catch the bus.

 

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[bloberta]

yeah. everyone has an opinion on us and they love to openly debate on whether we deserve to live or not. i hate this world i just cant trust anyone anymore.

 

[Ernest1964]

Pushing an agenda on the rest of the world is causing a backlash without a doubt. Many people do not want to accept the agenda and that is a reality.

 

[borderline-feline]

Pushing an agenda on the rest of the world is causing a backlash without a doubt. Many people do not want to accept the agenda and that is a reality.

It's not an agenda. It's a medical condition.

 

[bloberta]

Pushing an agenda on the rest of the world is causing a backlash without a doubt. Many people do not want to accept the agenda and that is a reality.

anyone who thinks people who are just trying to live their lives deserves backlash, especially on this scale, is pathetic. and yeah like op said it's a medical condition not an agenda and these people are making access to the medication we need pretty much impossible to get for no actual reason. this "backlash" is costing lives

 

[ChildrensITV]

Ha! I wish it was that simple to get a breast removal. I can't even get a first appointment and I'm a whole 34 years old. Nobody is giving adults surgery let alone kids! Also an aurtistic don't YOU DARE try and dehumanise us as if we have no abilty to think for ourselves. You are part of the problm and why many us trans folks want to catch the bus.

Chloe Cole got her breasts amputated at 15. She detransitioned later. She has autism. Now she is stuck with no breasts, and masculinization from the HRT. It's sad.

But there are people who know that transitioning is right for them. It's a tough situation. I guess there are three camps:

- For the sake of underage people who turn out not to be trans, it is worth sacrificing the underage trans-folk who are helped by transitioning.
- For the sake of underage trans-folk who are helped by transitioning, it is worth sacrificing underage people who turn out not to be trans.
- Those who don't have strong views either way, who want more research, more nuance, etc.

You're 34. I don't think it is anyone's business what you do with your body.

 

[borderline-feline]

Chloe Cole got her breasts amputated at 15. She detransitioned later. She has autism. Now she is stuck with no breasts, and masculinization from the HRT. It's sad.

But there are people who know that transitioning is right for them. It's a tough situation. I guess there are three camps:

- For the sake of underage people who turn out not to be trans, it is worth sacrificing the underage trans-folk who are helped by transitioning.
- For the sake of underage trans-folk who are helped by transitioning, it is worth sacrificing underage people who turn out not to be trans.
- Those who don't have strong views either way, who want more research, more nuance, etc.

You're 34. I don't think it is anyone's business what you do with your body.

Regardless of opinion, this is not the place for that argument.

 

[ChildrensITV]

yeah. everyone has an opinion on us and they love to openly debate on whether we deserve to live or not. i hate this world i just cant trust anyone anymore.

I don't think the argument is around whether you should be alive. It's about the ideology. As far as I know, no rightwing party in the UK or USA has killed any trans yet. It's unfair to say: "If you disagree with me, you want to genocide me". That just shuts down conversation.

Regardless of opinion, this is not the place for that argument.

I was just providing a receipt when prompted.

> "u have no proof"
> *posts proof*
> "this is not the place for proof"

 

[borderline-feline]

I don't think the argument is around whether you should be alive. It's about the ideology. As far as I know, no rightwing party in the UK or USA has killed any trans yet. It's unfair to say: "If you disagree with me, you want to genocide me". That just shuts down conversation.


I was just providing a receipt when prompted.

This isn't the place for arguments. This thread already had to be locked once due to fighting, and I'd rather nip this in the bud than let it get worse.

As an aside, this isn't an ideology. It's just reality.

 

[sweetandsanctioned]

Everywhere I look, I keep seeing it. Someone I used to respect because of her dedication to exposing a particular hoax just made a video where she used Dylan Mulvaney as a springboard to shitting on trans people. People are pushing for a 21st century take on the Mulford Act that targets trans people.

The UK is, well, it's the UK. The Tories are ruining everything as usual.

I'm fucking sick of all of it. There's so much hate toward people who just wanna do their own thing, people like me. I've even had to deal with being sexually harassed by a transphobe on this site (he left the site because he got in trouble for it though). If you take any of the shit that people are pushing about trans people and substituted in any other minority, then you'd be (rightfully) called a Nazi or a racist, but it's apparently socially acceptable to treat trans people as subhumans.

I just want the entire world to shut the fuck up. (maybe Yagami Light was rig

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Chloe Cole got her breasts amputated at 15. She detransitioned later. She has autism. Now she is stuck with no breasts, and masculinization from the HRT. It's sad.

But there are people who know that transitioning is right for them. It's a tough situation. I guess there are three camps:

- For the sake of underage people who turn out not to be trans, it is worth sacrificing the underage trans-folk who are helped by transitioning.
- For the sake of underage trans-folk who are helped by transitioning, it is worth sacrificing underage people who turn out not to be trans.
- Those who don't have strong views either way, who want more research, more nuance, etc.

You're 34. I don't think it is anyone's business what you do with your body.

When it comes to minors transitioning or not, it is honestly hit or miss. As far as I am aware, for MTF transitioners, it is best for them to transition before or around puberty to have the best chance of passing, because testosterone is a very potent hormone. It is a lot harder for MTF to pass the later they transition vs FTM. testosterone is a blessing for FTM, but a curse for MTF. But yeah, transitioning during adolescence can be very hit or miss.

As the OP said, this isn't really the place to debate this. However, I will say that MTF should be allowed to transition as early as possible, because the better you pass, the less likely you'll suffer from transphobia.

 

[ChildrensITV]

anyone who thinks people who are just trying to live their lives

I was going to go into a spiel but as @borderline-feline said, this isn't the place.

This isn't the place for arguments. This thread already had to be locked once due to fighting, and I'd rather nip this in the bud than let it get worse.

As an aside, this isn't an ideology. It's just reality.

OK. No problem. Yeah, I won't pursue this. I don't want to make you all feel worse than you already do!

 

[bed]

I'm not for or against since I pretty much only care about issues that relate to me, but I have a question. Why did I never hear the word "transgender" in the 2000s or before?

For the same reason left handedness increased

 

[bloberta]

I don't think the argument is around whether you should be alive. It's about the ideology. As far as I know, no rightwing party in the UK or USA has killed any trans yet. It's unfair to say: "If you disagree with me, you want to genocide me". That just shuts down conversation.


I was just providing a receipt when prompted.

it absolutely is about our lives and you're dense for not seeing that. we are harrassed, debated and gatekept from transitioning. every trans person on this site is a victim of this "opposition". as far as im concerned every trans suicide is a murder by these people. oh and not to mention the actual murders that have happened because of the bigotry that has constantly been fueled by the media. there is no middle ground. there is no both sides. one side wants us to stop existing and one side just wants us to live and be safe. pick one. there's no ideology we just want our lives

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

If you have the personality for it, then organizing (with others) and fighting (in a non-violent way) is much better than running away. I know that not everyone has the personality to be a fighter, and for some people their circumstances make it too dangerous, but if you are in a position to do it you may find it very liberating. After all, the worst they can do is kill you, and if you are on this site you probably don't care very much about that, whic gives you a huge advantage. (I'm now too old to get involved much in fights for social justice, but I did a lot when I was younger, though none of it concerned trans people. You can achieve a lot, if you go about it the right way. But don't try to do it alone. Unless you are an eceptionally string person, you need support from other people in your kind of situation.) Trans people would do well to learn from the gay rights movement of 50 or more years ago.

You didn't hear the word because it is a fairly recent invention, but there is nothing new about gender variance in people. It has always existed, and there have been many words, in many languages for it, or for particular manifestations of it. When I was young, the words "transsexual" or even "transvestite: were sometimes used in English, whereas today they seem to have fallen out of fashion and "transgender" would probably be used instead.

Thanks for the insight and advice, I appreciate it a lot.

 

[sweetandsanctioned]

Regardless, it is still the most acceptable period in history to be trans. So many young people .. I would say more than not are respecting people's pronouns. There is transgender influencers and big commercial brands supporting it in their advertisements. There's more documentaries and awareness about it than ever. It's not as big of a taboo as it use to be.. in fact it's almost trendy and seen as cool now. I think this younger generation takes for granted how good they have it even if it's not perfect or the absolute best yet.

I also feel this younger generation, although more open lacks nuance and the ability to look at both sides without automatically shutting people down as one of the phobes or a Nazi. I do not think for example that most trans people have bad intent but I don't think most radical feminists have bad intent either against trans people. I think both are just concerned for their safety and considerating cis men's toilets are separated because they have a penis, there's still a fair arguement to made that the fear of possibly being overpowered and raped by a biologically born male in an enclosed space isn't just gonna leave all women just because that male wears a dress or identifies as a woman. And deep down, we all know biologically born males have an unfair advantage over women in sports and that a biological male who's been on estrogen 1 year is not comparable to a cis woman who's mainly had estrogen her whole life. We are just too nice or cowardly to say it.

But people think too much nowadays with their feelings only and without balance. There's also a lot of hatred on both sides and I think ego more than anything is swallowing the whole world up right now but i can definitely see how as a trans person that's part of a marginalized group, it can feel like the whole world is against them but don't forget about how far they've come and how it's way more acceptable now to be trans and easier to transition, even if it's still a wait. It's nothing like it was in the past and many elderly trans envy this generation and how they have accepted trans people into their schools etc.

 

[borderline-feline]

Regardless, it is still the most acceptable period in history to be trans. So many young people .. I would say more than not are respecting people's pronouns. There is transgender influencers and big commercial brands supporting it in their advertisements. There's more documentaries and awareness about it than ever. It's not as big of a taboo as it use to be.. in fact it's almost trendy and seen as cool now. I think this younger generation takes for granted how good they have it even if it's not perfect or the absolute best yet.

I also feel this younger generation, although more open lacks nuance and the ability to look at both sides without automatically shutting people down as one of the phobes or a Nazi. I do not think for example that most trans people have bad intent but I don't think most radical feminists have bad intent either against trans people. I think both are just concerned for their safety and considerating cis men's toilets are separated because they have a penis, there's still a fair arguement to made that the fear of possibly being overpowered and raped by a biologically born male in an enclosed space isn't just gonna leave all women just because that male wears a dress or identifies as a woman. And deep down, we all know biologically born males have an unfair advantage over women in sports and that a biological male who's been on estrogen 1 year is not comparable to a cis woman who's mainly had estrogen her whole life. We are just too nice or cowardly to say it.

But people think too much nowadays with their feelings only and without balance. There's also a lot of hatred on both sides and I think ego more than anything is swallowing the whole world up right now but i can definitely see how as a trans person that's part of a marginalized group, it can feel like the whole world is against them but don't forget about how far they've come and how it's way more acceptable now to be trans and easier to transition, even if it's still a wait. It's nothing like it was in the past and many elderly trans envy this generation and how they have accepted trans people into their schools etc.

I'm gonna be honest. That second paragraph was wholely unnecessary. Anyone who cares that much about sports that they have protect the "sanctity of women's sports" from trans women is a pathetic dumbass. It's a nonissue.

As for the bathroom thing, if a cis woman has an issue with sharing a bathroom with me, then she can hold it or go somewhere else. Sexual assault in public bathrooms is rare, and banning trans people from public bathrooms won't stop it from happening.

Radfems in general do harbor a lot of hate toward trans people. They view trans women as men (and they hate men) and view trans men as "brainwashed women who want to escape misogyny". You'd be surprised by how much of second wave feminism is rooted in transphobic ideology.

In some ways, things are better, but in others, things are worse. In the past, trans people were largely unseen, and that was better for trans people. Having this spotlight is why trans people have become a political prop to the right wing.

Every time there's a victory for trans people, we immediately go 2 steps back because of bigoted fearmongering. Trans people using public bathrooms was never an issue until conservatives made it an issue.

It's not just about pronouns. It's about hate crimes, it's about healthcare, and it's about the right to exist in public.

 

[NotHuman]

The reason for all the publicity and commercial support is precisely because people recognize that trans people have been increasingly targeted lately. It's not gushing over how awesome they are, it's a response to the escalation in bathroom bills, the denial of gender affirmative care, the constant fights in the courts as to whether they should be allowed in sports, etc. It's all ramped up lately due to the state of the Supreme Court, the trans shooter, and a former president vowing to not only roll back all trans rights but etch into law unchangeable gender assignment at birth.

 

[Linda]

I'm not entirely sure if the hate towards trans people has redirected the hate previously aimed at other minorities... And I don't think the UK care about calling out Nazis period. They basically run the country and won the Brexit vote. Nazis are the majority in the UK.

-small boat crossings
-black London gangs
-muslim grooming gangs
-trans people existing

All of these are constantly used by the Tories, Brexit voters, and the nazi media. It's just anothet ingredient for their "war on the woke", when in reality, our bills are going up, taxes being stolen, human rights being burned, country getting fucked... They simply use these hot topics such as trans people to keep the sheeple distracted from being robbed.

Suzie from nowhere-upon-avon doesn't care about how people choose to live their lives, she wants the NHS to still be there for her kids, but the Tories need to sell the NHS, therefore, Tory funded media will churn out headline after headline about "this new enemy," or "that new enemy". It's just a case of look over there while I steal from your pocket

A lot of the present anti-trans hate is certainly re-directed from other minorities. About 8 years ago I was online in some forum or other, and someone asked "What will the bigots do, now that they have lost the battle over gay marriage". I replied "Transgender people will be next". I could see it coming, even though at the time trans people weren't on anyone's radar. (I have been involved in fights for social justice since 1974, and after a while you get to understand the mentality of the other side. They need a minority, that is small, not very powerful, and easily mis-represented to attack. At one time gay peope fitted the bill, but then the gays got organized and fought back - very effectvely. Trans pople need to do the same.)

 

[ChildrensITV]

it absolutely is about our lives and you're dense for not seeing that. we are harrassed, debated and gatekept from transitioning. every trans person on this site is a victim of this "opposition". as far as im concerned every trans suicide is a murder by these people. oh and not to mention the actual murders that have happened because of the bigotry that has constantly been fueled by the media. there is no middle ground. there is no both sides. one side wants us to stop existing and one side just wants us to live and be safe. pick one. there's no ideology we just want our lives

Out of respect for the trans-people in this thread and my promise to @borderline-feline , I am gonna hold off from replying. If there is a new thread, I might ask one of the last few remaining questions I have, but for now, I just wish everyone here well.

When it comes to minors transitioning or not, it is honestly hit or miss. As far as I am aware, for MTF transitioners, it is best for them to transition before or around puberty to have the best chance of passing, because testosterone is a very potent hormone. It is a lot harder for MTF to pass the later they transition vs FTM. testosterone is a blessing for FTM, but a curse for MTF. But yeah, transitioning during adolescence can be very hit or miss.

As the OP said, this isn't really the place to debate this. However, I will say that MTF should be allowed to transition as early as possible, because the better you pass, the less likely you'll suffer from transphobia.

I agree with most of this.

 

[EmmaD]

Regardless, it is still the most acceptable period in history to be trans. So many young people .. I would say more than not are respecting people's pronouns. There is transgender influencers and big commercial brands supporting it in their advertisements. There's more documentaries and awareness about it than ever. It's not as big of a taboo as it use to be.. in fact it's almost trendy and seen as cool now. I think this younger generation takes for granted how good they have it even if it's not perfect or the absolute best yet.

I also feel this younger generation, although more open lacks nuance and the ability to look at both sides without automatically shutting people down as one of the phobes or a Nazi. I do not think for example that most trans people have bad intent but I don't think most radical feminists have bad intent either against trans people. I think both are just concerned for their safety and considerating cis men's toilets are separated because they have a penis, there's still a fair arguement to made that the fear of possibly being overpowered and raped by a biologically born male in an enclosed space isn't just gonna leave all women just because that male wears a dress or identifies as a woman. And deep down, we all know biologically born males have an unfair advantage over women in sports and that a biological male who's been on estrogen 1 year is not comparable to a cis woman who's mainly had estrogen her whole life. We are just too nice or cowardly to say it.

But people think too much nowadays with their feelings only and without balance. There's also a lot of hatred on both sides and I think ego more than anything is swallowing the whole world up right now but i can definitely see how as a trans person that's part of a marginalized group, it can feel like the whole world is against them but don't forget about how far they've come and how it's way more acceptable now to be trans and easier to transition, even if it's still a wait. It's nothing like it was in the past and many elderly trans envy this generation and how they have accepted trans people into their schools etc.

I actually think it's the least accepting period to be trans.. in the UK anyway. As was previously said, transphobia is definitely seen as an acceptable prejudice. I follow a couple of news groups on FB, and Jesus!…the hate that follows articles about trans people are unreal. And I'm talking about news stories which are full of positivity like Jamie Lee Curtis talking about her trans daughter.. or Elliot Page's pure unbridled joy at having the body he was meant to have after top surgery.. The comments following these type of articles with the ignorant transphobic pigs thinking they're smart by deadnaming or misgendering, just make me want to cry. Anyone with even a HINT of negativity to trans people, can you please consider how your bias, unconscious or otherwise, contributes to this culture which normalises hate and means trans kids at school start on their journey surrounded by transphobic peers who think it's fine to use words like t****y!!! Smarten the fuck up!!!!!!

 

[ChildrensITV]

I actually think it's the least accepting period to be trans.. in the UK anyway. As was previously said, transphobia is definitely seen as an acceptable prejudice. I follow a couple of news groups on FB, and Jesus!…the hate that follows articles about trans people are unreal. And I'm talking about news stories which are full of positivity like Jamie Lee Curtis talking about her trans daughter.. or Elliot Page's pure unbridled joy at having the body he was meant to have after top surgery.. The comments following these type of articles with the ignorant transphobic pigs thinking they're smart by deadnaming or misgendering, just make me want to cry. Anyone with even a HINT of negativity to trans people, can you please consider how your bias, unconscious or otherwise, contributes to this culture which normalises hate and means trans kids at school start on their journey surrounded by transphobic peers who think it's fine to use words like t****y!!! Smarten the fuck up!!!!!!

When was it more accepting to be trans, if you could ballpark it to a decade or even 25 years?

 

[EmmaD]

When was it more accepting to be trans, if you could ballpark it to a decade or even 25 years?

I honestly don't have the facts and figures and personal experience as someone trans to say. But in my experience I had a beautiful friend at college in 1997 who was trans and there was absolutely no prejudice or hate directed towards her in the college community that I knew of. But then as a bi woman I had harassment when holding hands with girlfriends.. so society was definitely backward in that sense still…

 

[ChildrensITV]

I honestly don't have the facts and figures and personal experience as someone trans to say. But in my experience I had a beautiful friend at college in 1997 who was trans and there was absolutely no prejudice or hate directed towards her in the college community that I knew of. But then as a bi woman I had harassment when holding hands with girlfriends.. so society was definitely backward in that sense still…

So society wasn't more accepting then, just more unaware? Those aren't the same things.

 

[CellarBoy]

Everywhere I look, I keep seeing it. Someone I used to respect because of her dedication to exposing a particular hoax just made a video where she used Dylan Mulvaney as a springboard to shitting on trans people. People are pushing for a 21st century take on the Mulford Act that targets trans people.

The UK is, well, it's the UK. The Tories are ruining everything as usual.

I'm fucking sick of all of it. There's so much hate toward people who just wanna do their own thing, people like me. I've even had to deal with being sexually harassed by a transphobe on this site (he left the site because he got in trouble for it though). If you take any of the shit that people are pushing about trans people and substituted in any other minority, then you'd be (rightfully) called a Nazi or a racist, but it's apparently socially acceptable to treat trans people as subhumans.

I just want the entire world to shut the fuck up. (maybe Yagami Light was right)

Sadly, you're right, it is becoming normal. I really do hope it'll change soon.