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demuic

Life was a mistake
Sep 12, 2020
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Obviously, I have no idea if you're attractive or not, but I'd bet real money that you are not nearly as unattractive as you think you are. Few people are. I don't usually like throwing around terms like this, but it's a real cognitive distortion that many people suffer from. I definitely do.

But think about it. How many people do you see when you go out in public that really repulse you, based on looks? Do you think everyone around you is ugly and unlovable? I know I don't. At best, most people are just average to me, but that just means they don't have any qualities that immediately catch my eye. But I bet a majority of them think very poorly of themselves, too.

I totally get not wanting to have pictures taken and things like that. My family has almost no pictures of of me because I've always dodged them. But what about this? If you are so ugly, why would anyone want a picture or video or something to remember you by? Do you see ugly people and want their pictures to look back on?

You even said people don't see what you see. What if that means you don't look as bad as you feel? Maybe you're attractive to them? Compliments are hard to take if you don't believe them, but it's not really common to tell someone they're pretty if you don't think so. Maybe if they felt they had to, but if they volunteer it, it's probably at least somewhat true.

I'm not trying to invalidate your feelings, because it is a fact that you feel awful. But that's how these distortions work. Just because you think it doesn't make it true. The hardest part is figuring out what to do with that.

Some of the most beautiful girls I've ever met thought they were ugly. But when I met them, I was so jealous I didn't look like them. It's so funny how that works. (By the way, I think blue eyes and blonde hair is pretty boring. Be unique! You can do that now.)

Based on my own experience, though, I don't think you'd feel much better if you looked a different way or whatever. It's easy to be jealous and think things like, 'if I were prettier, life wouldn't suck... if I had sex, things would be awesome... a relationship would fix everything!" But the truth is, none of that probably will. Even when I have those things, I'm just as sad and empty and depressed, and I still want to die. Maybe they even make me feel worse, because I get horrible guilt at having things other people want but not enjoying them. I often wish I could gift other people parts of my life, because it's wasted on me.

I can get things I lust after, and I feel just as bad or worse despite them. I'm not just saying stuff. When there's a hole inside you, you tell yourself all these other things will fill it, but nothing ever does. And a lot of things people think will fix them can create more problems. It's the same for material things. When I feel the worst, I tend to buy tons of stuff, hoping it'll make me feel better. I get things I've wanted for years, and then it's just... pointless. I feel bad again after getting them, and it's so disappointing. I'm always chasing the next thing, hoping that'll be the thing to make me happy. It's hard to find the resources to maintain anything for long if you're struggling with yourself too.
100% this... Grass is always always greener on the other side. You can want something so much you idealize it, not looking at things realistically, it's easy to do that with things that are impossible or very difficult to have.
 
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Mercury6737

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This. What people don't understand is that being good-looking when you're a teenager and a young adult is paramount.

Yes, of course, it is no guarantee that you'll have a happy life but it is necessary.
This is false. Any assertion that being attractive is necessary in order to have a happy life, regardless of age, is easily disproven. I understand saying being attractive is important for one reason or another, but all or nothing justifications are easily countered.
 
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Steamm

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I'm ugly too.
 
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WasGehtnAb?

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I can't judge your body or face because I had to see both but I understand the problem.

You can't change your face or skin colour also I guess changing your hair colour to blond will look unnatural.
But you can change some things.

Ask a woman you trust if she has an idea for your hair.
Get some cataloges for clothes. Find a style you like. Stylish, casual, cool, whatever. It has to fit you and your personality.
Also work out will improve your life in general.

Like about 99% of all people you wont be a top model with this but you don't have to. Some things can't be changed so focus on the other options.
 
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Amumu

Ctb - temporary solution for a permanent problem
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This is false. Any assertion that being attractive is necessary in order to have a happy life, regardless of age, is easily disproven. I understand saying being attractive is important for one reason or another, but all or nothing justifications are easily countered.
This is fucking true for most people. Give me a few counter-examples if you want, they don't embody the majority.
 
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Mercury6737

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This is fucking true for most people. Give me a few counter-examples if you want, they don't embody the majority.
Would you claim that the average person is attractive?
 
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Mercury6737

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We'll suppose that is the case. What would you say is the ratio of attractive to unattractive? With that would you argue that there isn't at least one unattractive person who is happy? Just so we understand each other, your original claim was that being attractive is necessary for a happy life.
 
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adam&eve

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Dec 16, 2020
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I think some do not understand that, while not everything, looks do matter, ... at least to a person who isn't satisfied with theirs.

Being ugly can be a torture, and affect negatively a person's personality. When one's looks repulse a person- that is problematic and indeed a sad torture.
 
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WasGehtnAb?

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But a lot of people think they are simply doomed and as long as they aren't disabled this is not true.

Of course a 10/10 is unreachable but maybe even a 7/10 is possible, especially for women.
 
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But a lot of people think they are simply doomed and as long as they aren't disabled this is not true.

Of course a 10/10 is unreachable but maybe even a 7/10 is possible, especially for women.
I agree with you in some part, but on the other, being ugly can be a disability. It can put a strain on the mental health.
We can argue that ugly people can view it as a disability of their genes to be successful and maybe they can see it as looking " less healthy".
 
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I agree with you in some part, but on the other, being ugly can be a disability. It can put a strain on the mental health.

Of course. For pretty people life is more easy so on the other side it's harder for ugly persons.

Some of the ugly persons search then company of less socially accepted groups and the circle starts.

Not easy to get out but it's possible. I was in the same situation.
 
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Of course. For pretty people life is more easy so on the other side it's harder for ugly persons.

yeah, it's easier to accept yourself. Which means you have a problem less. Self-acceptance really matters.
It's kinda evil from natures perspective to install a survival instinct in an individual that literally hates themselves.
Of course, we may all have issues with our character, but generally self-acceptance is easier for prettier people.
 
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Jarni

Jarni

Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
Dec 12, 2020
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You can modify many things in you to be proud of and be very attractive to others by your attitude : you can build a very sexy body, for example (one year of good exercices and you'll be top + style of your clothes + make up + good hairstyle + (the most important!) high self esteem (even if you just play the role) and good mood + be kind to others. There are not many people like this. And these qualities are very higly appreciated. So you'll see, in fact, that's all the people need, not much more... (even without very attractive body...). I know it by my experience.
 
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adam&eve

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You can modify many things in you to be proud of and be very attractive to others by your attitude : you can build a very sexy body, for example (one year of good exercices and you'll be top + style of your clothes + make up + good hairstyle + (the most important!) high self esteem (even if you just play the role) and good mood + be kind to others. There are not many people like this. And these qualities are very higly appreciated. So you'll see, in fact, that's all the people need, not much more... (even without very attractive body...). I know it by my experience.
I wouldn't necessarily agree. Some do not have nor the body (even if fit) nor the face and no amount of makeup or hairstyle can help the wreck they are.
 
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WasGehtnAb?

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yeah, it's easier to accept yourself. Which means you have a problem less. Self-acceptance really matters.
It's kinda evil from natures perspective to install a survival instinct in an individual that literally hates themselves.
Of course, we may all have issues with our character, but generally self-acceptance is easier for prettier people.

Especially looks doesn't really matter as child and then puberty hits hard...

Of course you can fight yourself out of the negative thoughts. Or you really believe that you are too ugly for the world and at the age of 23 your life is over. Right, @FireFox? ;)
 
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Jarni

Jarni

Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
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I wouldn't necessarily agree. Some do not have nor the body (even if fit) nor the face and no amount of makeup or hairstyle can help the wreck they are.
There are many different cases, but for the body in most cases many things are possible... Diet + exercices can do miracles. But my idea was to make better things we can make better. There are always something that we can develop to be more attractive (even if it is just an attitude...). It's also about give it a try...
 
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victoria91

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Hey, I can really understand how you feel .

I have blonde hair, blue eyes and I can assure you , no one is interested in me. It makes me feel sad that you don't think your attractive though.

The way I look is one of the reasons I want to CTB , amongst other things so I know what impact low confidence has. Hugs x
 
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Castrato

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Dec 19, 2020
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I know people have it worse .

I hate my appearance so much. I dont want my picture taken and it turns in to massive argument when my mum or family wants to take my photo . i hate it when people complement me saying " i am pretty "

I dont like seeing my reflection

I am a black woman, I have black hair and brown eyes. Very dull features.

I hate looking in the mirror and wish i had another face.

Sometimes i wish had had a blonde hair and blue eyes because i will look for more interesting and men will want to date me.

I am 23 and it is too late for me to meet someone. Everyone has their first boyfriend in their teens . I was always builled for how i look at school.

I am ugly people dont see what i see.

I am a nice person but it is not enough in this world. My Grandmother says i need to wear more Make up and men will want me.
I dont mind wearing make up but i need a style that suits me.

We live in a world where beauty is absolutely everything.
I cant compete in this world.

If i was attractive my life would be a lot easier i would have a boyfriend and i would belong in society.
I feel you. If I was a tall handsome man with great hair and skin and a great cock I'd never want to ctb
 
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Neowise

Neowise

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Being black doesn't automatically mean being ugly.
I think it is true that society values the looks of a person too much, but it is not true that ugly people don't get into relationships. A somewhat friend of mine is extremely ugly. At the age of 22 he was halfway bald already. Pig nose, tiny eyes, huge chin, hamster cheeks and slightly crooked teeth. One of the most ugly people I have ever seen and I feel bad for thinking like that. But he found a girlfriend and they have been a couple for 2-3 years now, he found someone he is happy with and I am happy for him.

It's not too late to meet someone with 23 years :) I've never been in a relationship at the age of 25, but now I might go on a date with a guy after the lockdown. To be fair we are both kinda ugly lol, but I asked him out because I like his personality and he said yes so apparently he doesn't mind my looks too much either.

Maybe you could give dating apps etc. a try. You can go out with guys and will see that others don't perceive you as ugly as you think you are.

I was always builled for how i look at school.
This doesn't mean anything. I was always bullied for being dumb but I am now doing my Master's at university. Don't care about what others say!
 
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WasGehtnAb?

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As a man with blue eyes und blond hair I can guarantee you both that your eyes and the colour of your hair is not the reason men seem to ignore you.
 
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k75

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If good looks were necessary for a happy, successful life, then how do you explain ugly A-list actors and their fans?

If being beautiful fixes everything, why do so many pretty people want to kill themselves?
 
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adam&eve

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If good looks were necessary for a happy, successful life, then how do you explain ugly A-list actors and their fans?

If being beautiful fixes everything, why do so many pretty people want to kill themselves?
This is a very small percentage. Hollywood has really strict and high standards when looks are concerned. It is tough to suceed even if you are beautiful, and not to mention less beautiful, although it is true that charisma and talent are also sought for in a person. But more or less, more beautiful people will succeed.

But that, and the fact beautiful people also want to kill themselves- doesn't change the fact that someone somewhere feels like genetic trash and repulses over themselves and that that feeling is real and hard.
 
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Nexuno

Nexuno

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doesn't change the fact that someone somewhere feels like genetic trash and repulses over themselves and that that feeling is real and hard.
And this is the point of all the discussion IMO. How someone feels. Attraction and repulsion, and the way we react to them, are really subjective aspects though (and this is the other key factor, IMO).
 
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adam&eve

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And this is the point of all the discussion IMO. How someone feels. Attraction and repulsion, and the way we react to them, are really subjective aspects though (and this is the other key factor, IMO).
Well there are generally some rules of beauty. It's not that they feel so for no reason as far as they are concerned, you'll just have to leave space that it is possible for a person to view their appearance as repulsive and accept that it is their real perspective.

For example, a woman that owns a modelling agency suddenly wakes up as a version of everything she finds not desireable, thus her beauty chriterias don't match with what she sees in the mirror. She will be repulsed and disgusted. And probably won't be one of those few lucky ugly ones that succeed in Hollywood also...
 
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Ricky1@@

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Sep 26, 2020
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I know people have it worse .

I hate my appearance so much. I dont want my picture taken and it turns in to massive argument when my mum or family wants to take my photo . i hate it when people complement me saying " i am pretty "

I dont like seeing my reflection

I am a black woman, I have black hair and brown eyes. Very dull features.

I hate looking in the mirror and wish i had another face.

Sometimes i wish had had a blonde hair and blue eyes because i will look for more interesting and men will want to date me.

I am 23 and it is too late for me to meet someone. Everyone has their first boyfriend in their teens . I was always builled for how i look at school.

I am ugly people dont see what i see.

I am a nice person but it is not enough in this world. My Grandmother says i need to wear more Make up and men will want me.
I dont mind wearing make up but i need a style that suits me.

We live in a world where beauty is absolutely everything.
I cant compete in this world.

If i was attractive my life would be a lot easier i would have a boyfriend and i would belong in society.
I'm sorry that you where born ugly
 
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Nexuno

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Dec 9, 2020
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you'll just have to leave space for a person to view their appearance as repulsive and accept that it is their real perspective.
The fact is that it's just your perception. You can be "beautiful" according to the imposed standards, yet "feeling like genetic trash" and be alone and feel miserable. That's it. But this doesn't mean that someone out there can't fall in love with you, that you'll be unable to find a job because of this, etc. It is you who are preventing that from happening.
 
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adam&eve

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The fact is that it's just your perception. You can be "beautiful" according to the imposed standards, yet "feeling like genetic trash" and be alone and feel miserable. That's it. But this doesn't mean that someone out there can't fall in love with you, that you'll be unable to find a job because of this, etc. It is you who are preventing that from happening.
Usually people who are beautiful according to the standards are very well aware of that. Very rarely it happens they think they are ugly. Instagram is full of conventionally beautiful people who know it, and who surely don't feel like genetic trash.

On the other hand there are people who are very well aware that they don't fit into the standards of beauty as they really don't and who suffer because of that. They can have another aesthetic but have to bear something different, like the example with a woman that owns an agency that I have given...Not all people will suffer though, or care.

yet I agree with you that that doesn't have to stop you in life- IF you don't want to be a TV presenter,or stuff like that, then it does. It surely puts some limits on somethings..
 
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MrBlue

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I'm sorry that you feel that you're ugly @FireFox . I've also never had a relationship at 22, and are considered at least unattractive. Though as a guy it's more due to my stature and quieter/gentle personality than my face I think.

If it's any consolation, the first girl I ever had a crush on was a slightly chubby black girl, who I did my AS levels with. She was always so kind and despite being shy, her laugh was infectious. I imagine there are alot of guys that couldn't care less about whether you wear makeup or not, or the colour of your hair etc.
 
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Nexuno

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I imagine there are alot of guys that couldn't care less about whether you wear makeup or not, or the colour of your hair etc.
That's me. I never dated a beautiful-according-with-the-standards girl. I always look for something else.

Just want to add that it is not my intention to underestimate the suffering of those who see themselves as "ugly", I understand that your pain it's real. Just give yourselves a chance, though.
 
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