Venting I am an evil incel. Why can’t people understand?

[Cosis]

Don't be so hard on yourself. You need to improve your self image and believe that you are worthy of love

No you don't. The "hot" depressed artist has girls falling all over him. They love him just the way he is. A girl who think she's "fat and ugly" just because she has curves instead of a stick-figure model body doesn't need to believe "she is worthy of love". They both easily have someone love them and that's what makes them believe it's possible which inevitably improves their self-image.

Think about it, really think for those types of who fit those categories and say they 'never find anyone'. I have friend's exactly like this. How many girls did hot guy turn down? Pump and Dump? Use for a week then cry over how she isn't as good as the girl who dumped him 3 years ago? How many male orbiters does the girl have? Friendzoned simps whose shoulders she cries on that are perfectly decent guys, but 'there isn't anything there' aka he's too short, ugly, poor, fat, submissive or whatever else you can see like a spotlight, but she never wants to say out loud?

At least 2/each off the top of my head for each that fall within that group in my life. These people are the embodiment of narcissistic hypocrisy. They want all the benefits of success, while also wanting all the pity-benefits an attractive person gets from failure, even though they're aren't failing whatsoever.

 

[Cosis]

Do yourself a favour and ditch the TRP/Incel online communities — that stuff is toxic to men as well as women.

Also you're saying this crush is legit afraid of you, in that case please leave her alone. I know it's not easy but it sounds like an unhealthy obsession which is consuming you and frightening her.

Despite how some elements of society may try to insist, a man's worth is not actually measured by how many women he's slept with.

You're right, in a way..... Brad Pitt can't fuck a million girls, but he is worth way more than any of the guys here because millions want to fuck him.

Unless a guy is rich, the only way a guy is measured is by how many women want him at any given time. Which without money, is directly tied to how sexually attractive he is. The highest tier of guy for all women everywhere is a 10/10 model-tier millionaire, who is loyal to her and her alone. Personality comes in dead last. He can be the "bare minimum" personality wise as the tiktokkers say. As long as he doesn't mentally or physically abuse her, he's considered to be the man of many girl's dreams.

No one gives a fuck how "nice" you are if you're an ugly piece of shit working an average job. I also agree that Black Pill content is toxic. It's reality, and reality itself is toxic as fuck, that's why I'm leaving.

 

[ewlife]

Really? NO ONE GIVES FUCK WHAT YOU USE......if you're attractive you can call them anything you want because they'll be too busy sucking your dick to care. But if you're a 5 or below suddenly the word police come out of nowhere to criticize your grammar. So what do you do? Change the entire way you speak and think in order to not "offend" anyone. Does it improve anything? FUCK NO. Then they criticize your "mindset" and make things up about your "personality" or shower habits. Just whatever other bullshit they can make-believe like children until they run out of shit to talk. Come back after doing it all and when you refuse to do it all for the 100th time they come with "You just don't want any help dude". You're not allowed to be angry or frustrated because then THAT'S the reason girls don't want you. Anything besides the real reason, you're too ugly in a world where a guy filtered by Photo, Height, Color, and even Dick size will be at a girl's door with one-click on their phone.

No one falls for this idiotic line of crap anymore. Everyone can see all the attractive asshole people around them having no trouble dating people and they refer to women as "bitches" and "whores". They even get married. What you going to say "It's not fulfilling". How the fuck do you know? You know their marriage? He could be a happy King in his castle mentally abusing the fuck out of this girl that worships him. I've seen girls get cheated on just to go back with the guy for him to cheat again and again... Just stop with the damn lies. You want to make someone kill themselves? Constantly parroting this dumbfuck diarrhea about wording is the way to do it.

Unhinged misogynist nonsense. Read a book man.

You're right, in a way..... Brad Pitt can't fuck a million girls, but he is worth way more than any of the guys here because millions want to fuck him.

Unless a guy is rich, the only way a guy is measured is by how many women want him at any given time. Which without money, is directly tied to how sexually attractive he is. The highest tier of guy for all women everywhere is a 10/10 model-tier millionaire, who is loyal to her and her alone. Personality comes in dead last. He can be the "bare minimum" personality wise as the tiktokkers say. As long as he doesn't mentally or physically abuse her, he's considered to be the man of many girl's dreams.

No one gives a fuck how "nice" you are if you're an ugly piece of shit working an average job. I also agree that Black Pill content is toxic. It's reality, and reality itself is toxic as fuck, that's why I'm leaving.

Lol you need to get off the internet and touch some grass. This is Andrew Tate-level stupidity.

 

[DreamEnd]

Reported for encouraging my suicide. That's a disgusting thing to do.

Hey um yes this guy has been going on on quite a charade lately today. I hope you aren't affected by the mess he is spewing.

 

[ewlife]

Hey um yes this guy has been going on on quite a charade lately today. I hope you aren't affected by the mess he is spewing.

Thanks. This guy is weird. Hopefully mods will ban him soon.

 

[BardBarrie]

You're right, in a way..... Brad Pitt can't fuck a million girls, but he is worth way more than any of the guys here because millions want to fuck him.

Unless a guy is rich, the only way a guy is measured is by how many women want him at any given time. Which without money, is directly tied to how sexually attractive he is. The highest tier of guy for all women everywhere is a 10/10 model-tier millionaire, who is loyal to her and her alone. Personality comes in dead last. He can be the "bare minimum" personality wise as the tiktokkers say. As long as he doesn't mentally or physically abuse her, he's considered to be the man of many girl's dreams.

No one gives a fuck how "nice" you are if you're an ugly piece of shit working an average job. I also agree that Black Pill content is toxic. It's reality, and reality itself is toxic as fuck, that's why I'm leaving.

Out of curiosity, how old are you?

 

[untothedepths]

I'm sorry you actually feel this way. I don't think anyone should feel so invalidated by life, but in some way I kinda feel like the exact opposite of sorts = I'm afraid of intimacy of any kind and I'm ugly (I'm not just saying this, for a women I've been told this numerous times.). I've earnestly tried to be with others and date but I'm issues are way, WAY too much for others to handle. I've been the bane of people looking to share every aspect of a relationship. I think it's made me realize I'm possibly better off alone even though I want to just hug someone else, hold hands, go out for walks, dates, ect. It's just that aspect to go further I just cannot. I cannot give that to someone. And i shouldn't subject them to not being with someone better.

I will say there is an aspect to our society that puts too much weight into appearance and not enough towards good characteristics. I don't judge people based off this, not sure why, maybe its because personality traits stand out to me more. Social awkwardness is also not forgiven by society too. I'm really awkward so it does me no favors even trying to be friends with people, I just end up getting quiet. It's incredibly hurtful to hear that you could be "weird" even though you aren't doing anything negatively. In short, people just suck and no one really knows what they want, is my guess.

I think though if you are able to give yourself more lee way and not be so hard on yourself, seeing as though you have friends, I think you have a good chance to find someone. This is just my calculation though. I'd like to see you become happy and enjoy life even for a moment. I also don't say this to give any false hope, but to just let you know that it could be a possibility.

 

[Cosis]

Out of curiosity, how old are you?

So what is this? Some lead-in to insult me based on age? Whether I'm 18 or 80 no matter what I say its going to be used against me LOL. Not falling for this, just get it out of your system. It changes nothing.

 

[BardBarrie]

So what is this? Some lead-in to insult me based on age? Whether I'm 18 or 80 no matter what I say its going to be used against me LOL. Not falling for this, just get it out of your system. It changes nothing.

So you're young then.

 

[Cosis]

So you're young then.

Yep, exactly what I thought. A non-answer. Just choose whatever you want Internet Psychic.

 

[BardBarrie]

Yep, exactly what I thought. A non-answer. Just choose whatever you want Internet Psychic.

The online Black Pill/Andrew Tate-tier communities can seem like "The Truth", but they are more often than not designed to suck young men into a warped way of thinking that is often self-reinforcing.

 

[DreamEnd]

The online Black Pill/Andrew Tate-tier communities can seem like "The Truth", but they are more often than not designed to suck young men into a warped way of thinking that is often self-reinforcing.

The funny thing is. They seem to take all the worst parts out of those communities and forget about things like " work out, eat healthy, get hobbies, go outside" so all the difficult things one needs to do to improve they don't pay attention to but everything else they love to take part in greatly

 

[BardBarrie]

The funny thing is. They seem to take all the worst parts out of those communities and forget about things like " work out, eat healthy, get hobbies, go outside" so all the difficult things one needs to do to improve they don't pay attention to but everything else they love to take part in greatly

I once heard it put as "Wanting to emulate Patrick Bateman minus his exercise and hygiene routine".

 

[DreamEnd]

I once heard it put as "Wanting to emulate Patrick Bateman minus his exercise and hygiene routine".

Hahahaha that made me laugh lol I'm gonna use it forever now

 

[Cosis]

The online Black Pill/Andrew Tate-tier communities can seem like "The Truth", but they are more often than not designed to suck young men into a warped way of thinking that is often self-reinforcing.

Ahhh yes, lump me in with the Boogie Man of (current year) to try and dismiss what I've said since you can't dispute it. That's always a good for a laugh. A few years ago it was "GamerGate" now it's "Andrew Tate" hahaha. Bye troll. /ignore Take your retarded, stereotypical assumptions to someone who will actually listen to them

 

[BardBarrie]

Ahhh yes, lump me in with the Boogie Man of (current year) to try and dismiss what I've said since you can't dispute it. That's always a good for a laugh. A few years ago it was "GamerGate" now it's "Andrew Tate" hahaha. Bye troll. /ignore Take your retarded, stereotypical assumptions to someone who will actually listen to them

That's fine if you don't want to listen. All the best.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The OP, and maybe some others who have commented in this thread, need to stop exuding their desperation so transparently. Women can read that like a book. They see that as needy and weak. If you're that weak and needy, how are you going to be strong in a relationship when times get hard? Another thing, stop treating women like objects. Third, get over that not every woman whom you are attracted to is going to be attracted to you.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Kind of funny how some people ganging up on @Cosis is kinda proving me right that there's no hope for people like me. This is my thread so it's an equally safe space to dunk on and sympathize with the incels even though I bet more people would catch flak for the latter.

The OP, and maybe some others who have commented in this thread, need to stop exuding their desperation so transparently. Women can read that like a book. They see that as needy and weak. If you're that weak and needy, how are you going to be strong in a relationship when times get hard? Another thing, stop treating women like objects. Third, get over that not every woman whom you are attracted to is going to be attracted to you.

1) Can't help being desperate. Sorry. I can't help that they'll see me as needy and weak because I AM needy and weak. If that's enough to not deserve love then so be it.

2) I haven't intentionally treated any women like objects but I guess if I have that's more credit for my sliding evil scale.

3) I can't help it if no woman I ever become attracted to being attracted back is my lot in life. Why shouldn't I be allowed to end it then if this is the case?

 

[DreamEnd]

Kind of funny how some people ganging up on @Cosis is kinda proving me right that there's no hope for people like me. This is my thread so it's an equally safe space to dunk on and sympathize with the incels even though I bet more people would catch flak for the latter.

1) Can't help being desperate. Sorry. I can't help that they'll see me as needy and weak because I AM needy and weak. If that's enough to not deserve love then so be it.

2) I haven't intentionally treated any women like objects but I guess if I have that's more credit for my sliding evil scale.

3) I can't help it if no woman I ever become attracted to being attracted back is my lot in life. Why shouldn't I be allowed to end it then if this is the case?

Dude he encouraged someone to ctb what do you mean why people are ganging up on him?

You seem to have given up and have a very self defeating mindset. I don't know what else to tell you since people have told you plenty of things but you have to focus on yourself first here and try to improve in whatever way you see fit.

Weight? Start exercising
Poor? Try to find a better job or go back to school
Hygiene? Shower, brush teeth etc
Social life? Go out to places and socialise with people. Doesn't have to be women it can be men. Find hobbies where you can have similar interests idk of the top of my head, music, mma, gym, maybe nerdy stuff if you are into that etc.
There are fashion subreddits on Reddit that can teach you how to dress

If you are wanting to get better there are ways but if you have given up then I guess that's a choice as well and I'm not judging you for either.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Dude he encouraged someone to ctb what do you mean why people are ganging up on him?

You seem to have given up and have a very self defeating mindset. I don't know what else to tell you since people have told you plenty of things but you have to focus on yourself first here and try to improve in whatever way you see fit.

Weight? Start exercising
Poor? Try to find a better job or go back to school
Hygiene? Shower, brush teeth etc
Social life? Go out to places and socialise with people. Doesn't have to be women it can be men. Find hobbies where you can have similar interests idk of the top of my head, music, mma, gym, maybe nerdy stuff if you are into that etc.
There are fashion subreddits on Reddit that can teach you how to dress

If you are wanting to get better there are ways but if you have given up then I guess that's a choice as well and I'm not judging you for either.

I'm not saying he didn't do that nor am I weighing in on whether the ganging up on was deserved or not. Merely stating that it makes me feel more justified in my choice to die feeling good for humanity overall.

Your suggestions for improving myself sadly hold no value to me. I simply find them too tedious because it just seems too difficult to even attempt without a partner to care about who cares about me back. That probably makes me very selfish and evil which is why even if it were as easy as you say and I did decide to one day improve everything about myself I would be improving upon a monster and giving that individual more power than he knows what to do with which will inevitably lead to someone or many people getting hurt by me regardless. That is why I have chosen to CTB. Me wanting to get better is absolutely the wrong choice.

 

[DreamEnd]

I'm not saying he didn't do that nor am I weighing in on whether the ganging up on was deserved or not. Merely stating that it makes me feel more justified in my choice to die feeling good for humanity overall.

Your suggestions for improving myself sadly hold no value to me. I simply find them too tedious because it just seems too difficult to even attempt without a partner to care about who cares about me back. That probably makes me very selfish and evil which is why even if it were as easy as you say and I did decide to one day improve everything about myself I would be improving upon a monster and giving that individual more power than he knows what to do with which will inevitably lead to someone or many people getting hurt by me regardless. That is why I have chosen to CTB. Me wanting to get better is absolutely the wrong choice.

Ok well it looks like you have already made your decision then. But if you keep on living just remember that it's never too late to turn your life around. Don't compare yourself to others but to who you are now.

 

[Cosis]

Kind of funny how some people ganging up on @Cosis is kinda proving me right that there's no hope for people like me. This is my thread so it's an equally safe space to dunk on and sympathize with the incels even though I bet more people would catch flak for the latter.

1) Can't help being desperate. Sorry. I can't help that they'll see me as needy and weak because I AM needy and weak. If that's enough to not deserve love then so be it.

2) I haven't intentionally treated any women like objects but I guess if I have that's more credit for my sliding evil scale.

3) I can't help it if no woman I ever become attracted to being attracted back is my lot in life. Why shouldn't I be allowed to end it then if this is the case?

They followed the "Incel Hate" playbook to the letter. It's so common now it's hilarious. They accuse any guy who has miserably failed with girls and dares to speak about it of having all these negative traits with NO EVIDENCE. Just a couple of sentences of the guy venting.

1. They hate all women
2. They don't leave their basement
3. They don't take showers
4. They don't have job
5. They feel 'entitled' to sex
6. They lack "confidence"
7. They see women as objects
Etc....Etc...Etc....

Then these people search for anyone else to join their witch-hunt, once they find a couple more they start the INCEL burning. Guilty til proven Innocent. . All of this is completely socially acceptable. No mod would tolerate this type of disrespect if it were a black person getting labeled with false stereotypes, or a trans-woman. But we are failed males, no one cares what we feel. Even in the suicide forum, all these assholes are looking to dump on someone they see as lower than them hahaha.

Doesn't matter if you're totally honest and tell them why you failed. I have burns on 40% of my body, I look like two-face with half having severe nerve damage, or I'm 4 foot Zero and bald. Doesn't matter. You have all the traits above because they say you do and that's why you failed. Not your looks.

EDIT: Even without reading the ignored content I can tell what they're trying to do in that reply. Justification after the fact. Attack someone, then use them attacking back as justification for your pre-emptive strike. Cops do shit like that. How pathetic. "Look! Look! We told you he was horrible. He fought us so deserved everything we gave him!"

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Ok well it looks like you have already made your decision then. But if you keep on living just remember that it's never too late to turn your life around. Don't compare yourself to others but to who you are now.

On the contrary I think it's already too late and it keeps getting later. Plus like I said, even if I do turn my life around that really isn't a good thing. I'm not comparing myself to anyone else in this case I'm genuinely saying that if I ever get redeemed or recover people WILL regret it and wish I had just killed myself. This is not a threat, but an objective fact.

 

[DreamEnd]

On the contrary I think it's already too late and it keeps getting later. Plus like I said, even if I do turn my life around that really isn't a good thing. I'm not comparing myself to anyone else in this case I'm genuinely saying that if I ever get redeemed or recover people WILL regret it and wish I had just killed myself. This is not a threat, but an objective fact.

No if you do everything that I said and commit fully to it. You will change. Your perspective will change. That's how it usually works. I haven't ever heard anyone say that hey it's bad if I turn my life around because if everything in my life is good then it will be bad for everybody else.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

No if you do everything that I said and commit fully to it. You will change. Your perspective will change. That's how it usually works.

-I've exercised before and it has never benefitted me. I tried going to gym consistently for six months three days a week and I didn't even lose weight nor did I feel any enjoyment in life or any less sore. I lost more weight being depressed and locked in my house due to the pandemic. Even my job now keeps me physically active and yet I still always feel sore, never get the lucky endorphin rush that other people seem to get, and just get hungrier and hungrier to consume.
-I'm actually not all that poor. I don't make enough to live independently but enough to afford the stupid shit I want regardless. My job is also okay even though it's the source of my pain right now just because I have a stupid crush on someone who I'm only 50% sure likes me or doesn't like me and who I am too cowardly to even approach nowadays.

-I shower daily, shampoo once every two days, brush my teeth less frequently but I lucked out genetically and have never gotten cavities or halitosis.

-My social life is also fine actually. I have lots of friends male and female but the female ones I feel no attraction for, I only see them as friends. The fact I'm so willing to throw my life away and make them all sad is why I feel I'm evil enough. Making friends for me is stupidly easy for some reason though I have no idea how to initiate it. I wish I could pass on my luck to others but maybe being self-deprecating all the time just makes people like me more which I can't help if that's the case. I'm just saying the truth about myself and it makes people want to be my friend for some stupid reason but never my romantic partner at least not for the people I wanted that from.

-I know you didn't include it but I've already stated numerous times why I don't believe therapy would be of any use to me either given all my past experiences with it have still left me the way I am.

In conclusion my perspective would not change just because I look clean and have friends and am not morbidly obese. It won't even change if I was tall because I'm already tall. I have all these good things going for me and I still managed to fuck up enough in life to be a pathetic excuse for a human being. I'm still a petty incel at heart and nothing short of an actual woman who I love that loves me back can prove otherwise. Actually I'm not even sure that would work, I just know it's the only thing I haven't done yet. It's not fair to whoever that could end up being though which is why it's better that I die now rather than inevitably cause this mystery person suffering later.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

@Cosis Why are always wallowing in self pity, dude? You seem like a really unhappy person and I don't mean that as an insult. It's concerning, which is saying a lot since this is a suicide forum. I think you need to get off the internet for a bit do a bit of introspection or something. You know, actually try to calm down and get to the root of your issues instead of lashing out at everyone and the world around you. You are just going to screw yourself over if you keep up with this shit.

 

[Final_Choice]

I understand why you feel this way, it really fucking sucks so I get why you feel like you're an evil incel, but I don't think you are (not evil at least). My reasoning for that is that I feel like your feelings in general are pretty valid. Sure, some stuff like seeing her with another guy and immediately coming to the conclusion that you're being "cucked" or hyperfixating on a girl to the point she might want some space is not what the average person might do, but I imagine that there's a lot of people who have similar intrusive passing thoughts if they were in the same situation, they would just try to ignore that thought and move on though.

I feel like there might be a fine line between being an incel and not being an incel if someone were to go through what you've been through, and while you're on the incel side I think it is definitely possible to work on it and fix it so that if you do get another chance with a girl it'll work out between you two. Most people get with another person by (at least partly) faking different parts of themselves, whether that's their looks, personality, hobbies, likes/dislikes, etc. just to make themselves look better to them. Fake it till you make it, act confident and sure of yourself, that's what makes people attractive. Deep down, parts of people can be horrifyingly evil, but they don't let those parts control them and instead they control themselves and behave how they truly want to feel.

If you don't want to change or don't feel like it'll change anything by trying, that's up to you, but I think it's possible. I do understand why you might want to CTB though, going your whole life alone and getting so many rejections really fucking hurts, so I understand why it might be so overwhelming to want to CTB.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I understand why you feel this way, it really fucking sucks so I get why you feel like you're an evil incel, but I don't think you are (not evil at least). My reasoning for that is that I feel like your feelings in general are pretty valid. Sure, some stuff like seeing her with another guy and immediately coming to the conclusion that you're being "cucked" or hyperfixating on a girl to the point she might want some space is not what the average person might do, but I imagine that there's a lot of people who have similar intrusive passing thoughts if they were in the same situation, they would just try to ignore that thought and move on though.

I feel like there might be a fine line between being an incel and not being an incel if someone were to go through what you've been through, and while you're on the incel side I think it is definitely possible to work on it and fix it so that if you do get another chance with a girl it'll work out between you two. Most people get with another person by (at least partly) faking different parts of themselves, whether that's their looks, personality, hobbies, likes/dislikes, etc. just to make themselves look better to them. Fake it till you make it, act confident and sure of yourself, that's what makes people attractive. Deep down, parts of people can be horrifyingly evil, but they don't let those parts control them and instead they control themselves and behave how they truly want to feel.

If you don't want to change or don't feel like it'll change anything by trying, that's up to you, but I think it's possible. I do understand why you might want to CTB though, going your whole life alone and getting so many rejections really fucking hurts, so I understand why it might be so overwhelming to want to CTB.

I fear this thread may get locked soon so I'll try to be as quick as I can: I really wish I could be more confident in myself. I was starting to feel it a little in the first few weeks of talking to this woman but I don't know what happened somehow the confidence got ripped away or maybe my anxiousness came back to override it.

I don't know. Even for the sake of CTB it seems I will have to do something more decisive about this soon to clear things up.

 

[Oliver]

@Cosis bro chill, we get it. It sucks to be ugly, but it is what it is.. Unless you are disabled you can still attain an athletic physique, so it's not all bad.

 

[unabletocope]

Its one of those things in life, men have to be tough or they're seen as worthless and valueless to women, even ugly guys who get this are better with women than attractive guys who are flimsy. Don't have to be like Andrew Tate or Russell Brand, just tough. I was never seen as tough, kind of a nice guy that shouldered women, probably a simp in retrospect which is why I know I'm on the way out. I don't necessarily believe nice guys don't get women but I think the tougher you come across as the more appeal you have with women. OP has got a fair few points and I can't wait to find a method, maybe it's a case of getting tough enough to take my own life before suicide really comes together for me