How to keep young people off this site

[notthisoutcome]

After trolling the stupid FixThe26 people and reading their stories, I think maybe they have at least one point that young people....younger than 30 I'd say...aren't ready to handle what's on this website. There needs to be an official, lengthy application process to get on here. You need to really prove that you're a mature adult who can make these decisions. It's always the college and high school students that are like "My boyfriend dumped me" or "I failed a test" or "I didn't get the sorority I rushed my life is over." and then they die because youthful impulsivity is a force more powerful than even SI...and leave SS open on their phones. They may have not been beyond help. Maybe they had crappy parents, but they may have been able to eventually break free of them and live a good life.

For some of us...like me in my 40s...there's no more things to escape from. This is my life. I am an adult now, I'm middle aged. There is no more hope. I've fucked up everything so many times over. I think I've earned my way into this world and into this suicide conversation.

If you're in your 20s and you think you should kill yourself...at least wait a bit. You might be wrong. Like, you really really might be wrong. There might be loads of hope for you.

Get mad at me if you want. Gatekeeping is not evil. Gatekeeping is incredibly important for maintaining the mission of a project or the goal of an institution or the vibe of a group. There has to be a gate. You can't just leave your front door wide open so anybody can walk in. Not a popular view these days but hey i'm suicidal and everyone hates me anyway so WTF do I care? I'm more honest here than anywhere.

 

[booray]

I don't disagree with you, but if I'm not mistaken, there are quite a lot of people on here in their 20s. There was a thread a while back that asked people their ages and I was surprised that were so many young people under 30. When I was that age, suicide never even crossed my mind. Hell, I only became suicidal when I was 55. I definitely feel like an old man on this site at 59. I'm gonna see if I can find that thread and bump it.

 

[notthisoutcome]

I don't disagree with you, but if I'm not mistaken, there are quite a lot of people on here in there 20s. There was a thread a while back that asked people their ages and I was surprised that were so many young people under 30. When I was that age, suicide never even crossed my mind. Hell, I only became suicidal when I was 55. I definitely feel like an old man on this site at 59. I'm gonna see if I can find that thread and bump it.

Yeah I know there are a lot of young people on here. There's a mental health crisis of Gen Z and Millennials...forgive the American-centrism of those generation names...but those age groups whatever you call them elsewhere. So many were raised by overprotective parents with too much emphasis on material success as the way to be worthy of love. No wonder they are all suicidal.

I am not like you...I have been suicidal since I was a small child. I was abused by my father from a young age until I was 29. I am beyond fucked up. I'm so full of anger and barely functional. Every thing I have tried to do in my life has failed. I'm completely dependent on others for my basic needs now. I hate it and this is not what I wanted for myself but enough bad luck happened and here I am.

These kids might end up like me, but it's still better to wait and see because most of them won't. Most of them just need to move out of their parents house or graduate college and get financially independent and feel a sense of accomplishment and agency.

When you're 40 and up...things change. I don't know how or why, but if you haven't solved it by then, maybe then we can talk about suicide.

 

[Fthis]

I know I'm 18 so I probably don't have room to talk. But I've been depressed since I was young. I don't feel like typing a whole paragraph about it but there's some other stuff that I don't see changing in my life and in this world. So what if people off them selfs for "stupid reasons" or that are "too young"? We're going to die anyway. People will CTB whether they do it peacefully and well informed or vegetables rotting away in mental hospitals. Why does it matter if people "were going to have a happy life?". This is a safe space. This is where we go when we need to look for methods and or get things off our chests. I absolutely hate that idea.

 

[Loser47]

People of all ages can be impulsive?
What makes 30 so special?

Why is it assumed people younger than 30 aren't ready to handle information on this site.
If your point is to stop impulsive suicides there shouldn't be age bar that test should be for everyone?

Age doesn't equate maturity level.

 

[Fthis]

People of all ages can be impulsive?
What makes 30 so special?

Why is it assumed people younger than 30 aren't ready to handle information on this site.
If your point is to stop impulsive suicides there shouldn't be age bar that test should be for everyone?

Age doesn't equate maturity level.

Agreed. And like I said before, what does it even matter if people impulsivity CTB? We're gonna die anyway. If we do any sort of gatekeeping then it should be to try to keep fixthe26 people out of here, like maybe writing a few paragraph long answers on our views on life and such.

 

[Loser47]

Agreed. And like I said before, what does it even matter if people impulsivity CTB? We're gonna die anyway. If we do any sort of gatekeeping then it should be to try to keep fixthe26 people out of here, like maybe writing a few paragraph long answers on our views on life and such.

And mpulsive methods seems to be hanging, jumping or train method, even without this site others have information on this. For methods like N and SN it would take time obtain all the required stuff, I guess it gives one enough time to think this through if they really want it.

 

[Boochky]

I first tried to strangle myself in my sheets when I was 8. My abusive father told me that I wouldn't succeed, I just wouldn't be as smart, if that gives you any insight.

Had I succeeded, I would have saved myself a lot of pain and embarrassment.

If you can fight and die for your country at 18, you should be able to to plot your escape.

 

[GarageKarate07]

After trolling the stupid FixThe26 people and reading their stories, I think maybe they have at least one point that young people....younger than 30 I'd say...aren't ready to handle what's on this website. There needs to be an official, lengthy application process to get on here. You need to really prove that you're a mature adult who can make these decisions. It's always the college and high school students that are like "My boyfriend dumped me" or "I failed a test" or "I didn't get the sorority I rushed my life is over." and then they die because youthful impulsivity is a force more powerful than even SI...and leave SS open on their phones. They may have not been beyond help. Maybe they had crappy parents, but they may have been able to eventually break free of them and live a good life.

For some of us...like me in my 40s...there's no more things to escape from. This is my life. I am an adult now, I'm middle aged. There is no more hope. I've fucked up everything so many times over. I think I've earned my way into this world and into this suicide conversation.

If you're in your 20s and you think you should kill yourself...at least wait a bit. You might be wrong. Like, you really really might be wrong. There might be loads of hope for you.

Get mad at me if you want. Gatekeeping is not evil. Gatekeeping is incredibly important for maintaining the mission of a project or the goal of an institution or the vibe of a group. There has to be a gate. You can't just leave your front door wide open so anybody can walk in. Not a popular view these days but hey i'm suicidal and everyone hates me anyway so WTF do I care? I'm more honest here than anywhere.

I see your point. HOWEVER, this is a community and in a community we take care of EVERYBODY!! This includes young adults and children. The fact that there is NO PLACE FOR THEM is even more sick than them NEEDING a place at all. They should ALL be welcomed here as long as they are 18-21 and older. To me, THESE ARE MY FUCKING KIDS and I'm not going to let a bunch of cunts tell me that I cannot help them or that they should not have a place! Every story here counts! In fact this is the last place that they all seem to count which again is a fail of moron proportions from a false and pussy society of vain and self righteous fucking twats!! The fact that no family member, friend, peer, social network, or reliable government help exists and has failed enough to push anyone here is a FUCKING HAMANITARIAN CRIME!! So no! Our children are fucking welcome here every fucking day of the fucking week any time of day! This is what it means to be fucking human!! We take care of our own no matter what!! Everyone who can't handle that is weak and should find a corner to hide in because all I've seen here is strength and love. ❤

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Whoa whoa whoa 30 is way too high! I may be only 27 but I think honestly 25 is the only age that has a logical basis for gatekeeping if we're gonna start doing that to anyone over 18 because that's supposedly when the human brain finishes developing. If someone is an immature loser after that age (like me), then they should be allowed to exit too knowing their life is truly going nowhere. I'm old enough to know nothing will change for me because life only has three years to become completely different for me and never ever suck again. Fat chance. I would loathe having this existence I currently live in while being in my 30s, I already can't bear it in my late 20s.

(Sorry younger people, I'm speaking purely out of self preservation here).

I'm all for gatekeeping minors though. Gtfo this site and at least go to community college, get a retail job, or do something similarly soul-crushing first before coming to the conclusion that people and the world suck, even if it's true.

 

[lofticries]

I don't think its true that when young ppl do kill themselves its over a bad break up or a shitty test score. I mean it could be the final breaking point but there are obviously some problems underneath that many might not know about. I see mental problems like an ice burg in the ocean. People only see the top being shown because said person allows them to see that part of themselves. Not the actual reason(s) one wants to die.

 

[Deformationalplagio]

Younger then 30? Excuse me im 28 and my skull is extremely deformed kind of shit you only see on the deepweb gore sites. you can say whatever you want im 100% sure this is probably a better reason to ctb then 99 % of the whole forum and you're telling me im to young? Whats your reason im pretty sure it doesnt even comes near mine. Holy shit boomers are dumb

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Younger then 30? Excuse me im 28 and my skull is extremely deformed kind of shit you only see on the deepweb gore sites. you can say whatever you want im 100% sure this is probably a better reason to ctb then 99 % of the whole forum and you're telling me im to young? Whats your reason im pretty sure it doesnt even comes near mine. Holy shit boomers are dumb

While I agree with what you're saying, people in their 30s and 40s are likely Gen X. Millennials are about to be in their 40s in just a few years...

 

[Deformationalplagio]

While I agree with what you're saying, people in their 30s and 40s are likely Gen X. Millennials are about to be in their 40s in just a few years...

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While I agree with what you're saying, people in their 30s and 40s are likely Gen X. Millennials are about to be in their 40s in just a few years...

I just searched it on google and im a millenial its basically 1981 til 2000 and the generation before that are babyboomers

While I agree with what you're saying, people in their 30s and 40s are likely Gen X. Millennials are about to be in their 40s in just a few years...

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

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I just searched it on google and im a millenial its basically 1981 til 2000 and the generation before that are babyboomers

What? From what I read boomers are only from 1948 to 1964. That's the only way that makes sense because they were named after the economic boom in prosperity after WWII ended, though as someone said before it's indeed very US-centric...

1965-1980 are Gen X while 1981-1994 are millennials. 1995-2012 are the zoomers while those born from 2012 to the present are Gen Alpha. I have a feeling the whole Covid thing will cause a new generation to surface though it would be really funny if they're actually called "Gen Beta".

 

[Deformationalplagio]

What? From what I read boomers are only from 1948 to 1964. That's the only way that makes sense because they were named after the economic boom in prosperity after WWII ended, though as someone said before it's indeed very US-centric...

1965-1980 are Gen X while 1981-1994 are millennials. 1995-2012 are the zoomers while those born from 2012 to the present are Gen Alpha. I have a feeling the whole Covid thing will cause a new generation to surface though it would be really funny if they're actually called "Gen Beta".

Yeah you're right but gen x is also known as the babyboomer generation thata why i used the term. And in all honesty i think gen x is way worse then the boomer genaration, but this could be because i just had a lot of bad expierience with them

 

[usernameforhere]

That anyone should end up here is sad. That anyone should use a method that's horrific or just hurts someone else is more so. I don't want someone 25 to ctb, but I don't want anyone who's 25 ctb and not being able to get information on how to do it without pain or ruining some cop or leaking a co all over their apartment building.

I'm sorry that lady lost her son. I'm sorry she's built a defensive mechanism to blame others for it. It's also not my problem.

are their likely sick people on this site that would hurt others and enjoy it. Yes. Such people are also Congress people, nurses (been a few cases of this), cops, judges.

maybe she should focus her efforts on mental health processes so getting never seems worse then giving up.
I hope she heals and I'm sorry for her son.

Now stop blaming other people lady.

 

[Life_and_Death]

people....younger than 30 I'd say...aren't ready to handle what's on this website

I'm sorry but I stopped reading here. As someone that's 21 thats gone through a lot of shit I feel I can handle it just fine thank you

 

[Buffy5120]

Depends on the illness not the age...you can have someone in there teens with numerous debilitating uncurable mental/physical illnesses and someone whos your age who only has one...illness doesn't have an age group it affects every person at any age so I would say even people younger than 18 should be able to do what they want all depends on the illness

 

[DivineMedicus]

I don't understand what's irrational about realizing that this world is royally fucked in the next couple of decades. Rising geopolitical tensions, climate change, inevitability of disease, increasing costs of living, etc. only make me believe that things are going to get worse, not better. Best thing to do is quit the game early before it develops into a full-fledged nightmare.

 

[Life_and_Death]

I'm sorry but I stopped reading here. As someone that's 21 thats gone through a lot of shit I feel I can handle it just fine thank you

Also there's a recovery section. Should we refuse them/us recovery as well?? This isn't a pro suicide community it's a pro choice community why do people seem to forget this. We don't allow minors here and the second they are discovered they are gone. Why are "we" trying to alienate more people? (got it, don't text and walk)

 

[DeadButDreaming]

I disagree with this proposal. Some 50 year olds have every reason to live, whereas some 20 year olds have every reason to die.

 

[moonchild]

It's always the college and high school students that are like "My boyfriend dumped me" or "I failed a test" or "I didn't get the sorority I rushed my life is over." and then they die because youthful impulsivity is a force more powerful than even SI...and leave SS open on their phones. They may have not been beyond help. Maybe they had crappy parents, but they may have been able to eventually break free of them and live a good life.

People don't kill themselves because their boyfriend dumps them or they fail a test. If something like that makes someone actually go through with a suicide, it wasn't because of "youthful impulsivity", but because they had other problems. If anything, being young probably makes it harder to articulate your actual problem, even for yourself, and being dumped/failing a test is something more tangible.

If you want to make an argument for age restrictions or whatever, that's fine, but this kind of rhetoric isn't helpful at all.

 

[usernameforhere]

I don't understand what's irrational about realizing that this world is royally fucked in the next couple of decades. Rising geopolitical tensions, climate change, inevitability of disease, increasing costs of living, etc. only make me believe that things are going to get worse, not better. Best thing to do is quit the game early before it develops into a full-fledged nightmare.

Climate change is probably a real problem. Geopolitical tensions?
Maybe but people were real worried about Russia's nukes for a while in the late 80. That stuffs always is there.
Disease, tbh, as a species were making real progress here. We need to fix the business model but outcomes are doing well in some areas. COL... yeah it's insane compared with earning power. Col goes up and up and earnings don't. Unless you're at the top.
Not trying to be contrary, just maybe somethings are getting better.

 

[Buffy5120]

I disagree with this proposal. Some 50 year olds have every reason to live, whereas some 20 year olds have every reason to die.

Thank you age makes no difference. Similiar to the concept "older people are wiser than young because they lived longer"...fuck no. Theres plenty of young people who have been through so much sickness and struggles in life they know a hell of alot more than older people who have been through nothing

 

[ts0hill]

excuse me if I sound angry and you are proberbly trying to come from a good place but this is condensing to a lot of people on here. Maybe you felt like you couldn't make this decision clearly until age 30 and that's fine but not everyone is the same way and age does not equal maturity. I am 25 and for gods sakes I did not join this site because of "a breakup or whatever." like really..? those reasons are not why most people ctb. This site is for support and people's pain is valid and just the same no matter what age.. It's much more than that and I have been weighing all the odds and possible outcomes.
I can agree that there should be a form possibly to fill out tho and maybe I could see people thinking teens are to young but at the same time this is a place of support for everyone and those 18 and over I think should still have access.. because it is their right. I can also agree that people should look at the recovery form before ctb just in case but also it's not anyones place to tell someone what todo either

 

[WatermelonMel]

The brain fully develops at like 25, so judging someone for being "younger than 30" seems biased and unfair and that's the vibe I get when members talk about "younger" people (that is people who are younger than them)

 

[Ashley_1988]

I am 32, and i ´ve been suffering from major depression among other things for over 15 years. In my opinion a particular age regulation would´t work and not be "fair", cause how will anyone determinate if somebody is fit or mature enough to be here? An instrument like an age barrier reminds my strongly on the debate and the arguments by the pro-livers or the majority of the society in general in regard to ctb. From their point of view the wish to die is insane unattached by the age of the concerned person. A suicidal individual is deemed to not be capable to make a reflected decision at all, that's why we are having psych wards and getting locked up all over the world.

So i get why some of us have a bad feeling when people in their early 20th want to die, and u want them to take another chance and not to give up. That is totally fair i feel the same about everyone here. But like some others already mentioned..that people are killing their-selves with or without out that platform. And some don´t kill themselves thanks to that platform !!!!

So I think @notthisoutcome had good intentions and I think also that it was good do have a controversial discussion about that subject.
I do respect different opinions..nevertheless i think if we actually deem that side as too dangerous..it has to be shut down no matter how old you are.

Or we see it a safe and necessary but still complex place for all of us.. where u can get support no matter if u are 20, 30 or 50...and And the later view is shared by me.

 

[throwaway2goawy]

I'm 29 and have had these thoughts since I was 6 (I remember the first time I felt it during a spelling test and got stressed). I agree to an extent that under 16s and maybe up to 21 should wait but once you are in the adult world, if you aren't coping and have tried everything else then what is going to change?

 

[Hirokami]

Those are quite the generalizations. There are plenty of under 30s that went through very traumatic experiences that make it hard for them to cope. Trauma doesn't discriminate against age. I'm not talking about breakups nor failing tests, either. Child abuse exists, for example. And while it is depressing to see teens and 20-somethings consider ctb, I understand why they would given those circumstances and others. Meanwhile, a 30-something could have a relatively normal background. What makes a 30-year-old inherently more traumatized than someone younger?

And keep in mind, not everyone here are actively trying to ctb. I, a 25-year-old, am personally on here to talk through my suicidal thoughts without hearing false platitudes. Oddly enough, being on this site made me less suicidal as I'm around people who are more understanding and don't shame me just for having thoughts.