How painful is a Sodium Nitrite overdose

[Idorus]

^ yes probably this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30875162 but that isn't the entire article.

 

[Karangel25]

So it's not peaceful?

 

[throwaway777]

isnt that the article that dr nitschke dismissed in the live stream of april ..?

 

[Roger]

Quite a few of us are contemplating and preparing for SN, so some answers and comments would be welcome.
Maybe it was too good to be true !

 

[Alan James]

Only those drugs that have a sedative effect are peaceful. If SN does not put you to sleep, you certainly will not feel pleasure from this process. But the question of what kind of sensations will be - I would like to see at least one video of euthanasia with him.

 

[restingspot]

So it's not peaceful?

Unless you also take something that will put you to sleep and time it right so you'll be conked out while the SN goes into effect, it'll be uncomfortable. To be fair, 90% of the methods that are at our disposal aren't going to be 100% peaceful. It's just the matter of picking the least uncomfortable one.

Unless you're a doctor. Then you get the good stuff

 

[pane]

Is it really true that one's corpse turns permanently blue after dying of an SN overdose? Has Nitschke acknowledged this or not?

I have my reservations about him. He's currently the "public face of the euthanasia movement" and I wonder how much the attention and notoriety he gets influences his actions in that regard. The bits and pieces of info that people post here about him taken altogether in my opinion paint a mixed picture of him.

 

[Idorus]

isnt that the article that dr nitschke dismissed in the live stream of april ..?

Yes it is. Obviously he read the entire article himself and quoted per image on his stream what I quoted before on this thread although interestingly enough he left out the part about the permanent blue discoloration of the entire body which I put in bold below.

The mechanism of death, however, is suffocation, with after death permanent blue discoloration of the entire body. Because of the unbearable symptoms associated with suffocation, sodium nitrite is an extremely unsuitable suicide agent.

PN's exact words on the stream during the visible quote:

They have little basis in that article to make that claim. They don't define what they mean by "unbearable symptoms of suffocation" and the material that comes in in large amounts to Exit by people that are using that substance to end their life doesn't support in any way the claims they've made. And you wonder why it is that in a journal which purpose is to be a scientific journal they're taking such a negative position and certainly not based on any available information than 2 case studes they give in the article which doesn't support their claim. This is a medical journal and their philosophy is that you need to have doctor supervision and medical control and if you don't .... well, they are very critical .... and only support their own argument. And using or allowing your philosophy to effect the science that you describe is I think, frankly, unimpressive and needs to be criticized. STOP.

 

[pane]

Idorus I'm glad you posted that quote from Nitschke because it illustrates my doubts about him. He dismisses the article but he himself - being a medical doctor - doesn't refute it with specific facts.

1) Nitschke says the article doesn't define "unbearable symptoms of suffocation" and that the reports he gets from Exit members contradicts that. But he doesn't provide any details of those members' experiences.

2) He says the journal is supposed to be scientific but they're taking a "negative" position and relying on only two cases studies. Using the word "negative" illustrates his own bias. The purpose of a scientific journal is to accurately report on various phenomena, not to take a "positive" or "negative" position on them. Also he's relying on the anecdotal reports of Exit members regarding what it's like to die by ingesting SN which are...case studies. Has he ever heard from anyone who's had bad experiences trying to commit suicide via SN?

3) He then accuses the authors of advocating for medical supervision of euthanasia and maybe they do since the article linked to in this thread isn't the full text. I'd have to see the whole thing to be sure.

4) He accuses the authors of only supporting their own argument. Well of course that's what they're going to do, rightly or wrongly. You present facts, information and even speculative opinion to support your argument. In that case, Nitschke should publish his own article refuting the claims made by the authors if he can using the information provided to him by Exit members instead of just taking shots at the authors.

5) He says that allowing your philosophy to affect the science should be criticized and stopped. Is he doing the same thing too?

6) Also if Nitschke did refuse to address the issue of bodily discoloration after death then that's inexcusable in my opinion.

 

[onlyinsleep]

You need a benzo to help with pain too. You can buy a benzo analog legally called Etizolam which is not regulated because it's so new. Right now it's still considered a research chemical. But it's so similar to benzo's that you shouldn't have a problem with it.

When do we take the Benzo for SN?l

 

[Idorus]

@pane, there's nothing advocating euthanasia in the article. I'd love to send the full article if you want, just PM me then.

 

[editredit22]

Hi little lady

I didn't vomit at all, I drank it on an empty stomach an drank it slowly over the Span of 15 minutes or so.
I felt calm but began to feel dissociative like that feeling you get when you are getting tipsy, your vision and reaction times... it felt like I was drunk and I was dizzy. Was outdoors at the time and I couldn't even cross the road. I sat outside of a church, it was night time. I was found by the police and they took me to hospital about 20mins post ingestion and they called next of kin to be there immediately. My heart stopped for a few seconds without need to revive, I was quite in pain actually... stomach an for heart for sure. I didn't fully pass out either it just felt like I was going to sleep. Police officer woke me up and I hadn't realised i had been asleep as didn't feel drowsy leading up to it. Just one minute I was awake the next I wasn't. I have suffered long term issues and I wouldn't do s n again. I was affected by It a student a female it messed up my hormones and seemed to have triggered some kind of early menopause issue. They have me an IV but I'm not sure what was in it. Was observed for three days and a short others mentioned, my blood was brown like chocolate and my fingers and palms were blue.

It also messed up my stomach and digestive Tract for about three weeks

I used 99.95% purity from ebay
Apparently. However I think my SN had some exposure to air which may have contributed to it being less potent

I still can't eat red meat knowing it's coated in s n

@Nem

@Nem

From a recent article of our doc magazine (particular for docs although I managed to get a member) called "Auto-intoxication with "suicide powder".
I will only quote/translate the start and that what stood out the most to me;

Ladies and gentlemen,

We have recently been confronted with suicide attempts with sodium nitrite. Like sodium azide, this agent is considered to be the "suicide powder" or "agent X". In this clinical lesson we discuss the symptoms, pathophysiology, treatment and the mechanism of death after taking sodium nitrite based on 2 patients.

Media coverage has created the impression among the public that sodium nitrite is a "safe and humane agent" that "leads to a dignified death." 2 The mechanism of death, however, is suffocation, with after death permanent blue discoloration of the entire body. Because of the unbearable symptoms associated with suffocation, sodium nitrite is an extremely unsuitable suicide agent.

If anyone is interested I can send the entire article per email (I tried other ways to share but it is impossible) but you will then have to translate it yourself.

@Nem

 

[Jen0804]

I believe If I wasn't wasnt found probably would have been likely. I denied having taken anything and prolonged the time I was talking to them so i could avoid hospital for as long as possible. BUt they searchers me and found the bottle with white powder stuck on the inside and were asking if it was anything illicit. SEarched me more and were about to arrest me so I told them it was medicine but if didn't work, they knew something was as up because my coordination was awful

 

[littlelady774]

I believe If I wasn't wasnt found probably would have been likely. I denied having taken anything and prolonged the time I was talking to them so i could avoid hospital for as long as possible. BUt they searchers me and found the bottle with white powder stuck on the inside and were asking if it was anything illicit. SEarched me more and were about to arrest me so I told them it was medicine but if didn't work, they knew something was as up because my coordination was awful

Did you have any difficulty breathing? I think I read somewhere that nitrite poisoning causes labored breathing

 

[Jen0804]

Did you have any difficulty breathing? I think I read somewhere that nitrite poisoning causes labored breathing

Yes a little bit but not like an asthma attack kind of struggle, it was pretty mild. Maybe if I had been left alone it wouldve been worse

 

[Idorus]

I might have found a way to share it here .. so here the full article if anyone wants to translate it for themselves.
If it doesn't work I will remove this post.

 

[jake3d]

When do we take the Benzo for SN?l

It depends on what benzos you have. If it is short acting like xanax, no sooner than 20 minutes before, otherwise you'll fall asleep. If it is longer acting, up to 1h before.

 

[AsexualBarbieBoy]

I might have found a way to share it here .. so here the full article if anyone wants to translate it for themselves.
If it doesn't work I will remove this post.

It works, thanks

 

[editredit22]

I might have found a way to share it here .. so here the full article if anyone wants to translate it for themselves.
If it doesn't work I will remove this post.

Is there a translated version? And is this of you?

 

[Idorus]

^ Not that I'm aware of. Not mine.

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

I don't know what the actual true facts are here. But I would say that no "prolife" Dr will say that any method to ctb is suitable or painless. They would not want to encourage people who are considering ctb to do it.
I don't believe that hardly any cause of death is totally painless. Even through so called normal causes like heart attack's, Cancer etc......more like the opposite!!

 

[editredit22]

Does it feel like suffocating like being hung or drowning... does it feel like that?

 

[jake3d]

Don't think so. It'll likely feel like anemia - feeling dizzy then fainting.

 

[editredit22]

Is it really true that one's corpse turns permanently blue after dying of an SN overdose? Has Nitschke acknowledged this or not?

I have my reservations about him. He's currently the "public face of the euthanasia movement" and I wonder how much the attention and notoriety he gets influences his actions in that regard. The bits and pieces of info that people post here about him taken altogether in my opinion paint a mixed picture of him.

Yes your blood loses thr bright red colour due to methemhemoglobinemia.. the oxygen cannot be taken up by red blood cells so they remain deoxygenated blood. You'll be blue like the deoxygenated blood in your veins times much mub worst.

 

[not_a_robot]

Hi little lady

I didn't vomit at all, I drank it on an empty stomach an drank it slowly over the Span of 15 minutes or so.
I felt calm but began to feel dissociative like that feeling you get when you are getting tipsy, your vision and reaction times... it felt like I was drunk and I was dizzy. Was outdoors at the time and I couldn't even cross the road. I sat outside of a church, it was night time. I was found by the police and they took me to hospital about 20mins post ingestion and they called next of kin to be there immediately. My heart stopped for a few seconds without need to revive, I was quite in pain actually... stomach an for heart for sure. I didn't fully pass out either it just felt like I was going to sleep. Police officer woke me up and I hadn't realised i had been asleep as didn't feel drowsy leading up to it. Just one minute I was awake the next I wasn't. I have suffered long term issues and I wouldn't do s n again. I was affected by It a student a female it messed up my hormones and seemed to have triggered some kind of early menopause issue. They have me an IV but I'm not sure what was in it. Was observed for three days and a short others mentioned, my blood was brown like chocolate and my fingers and palms were blue.

It also messed up my stomach and digestive Tract for about three weeks

I used 99.95% purity from ebay
Apparently. However I think my SN had some exposure to air which may have contributed to it being less potent

I still can't eat red meat knowing it's coated in s n

Ewwww

So if not for the "rescue" you would have just had a bellyache and died in your sleep peacefully?
Sweet. I get indigestion and fall asleep all the time.
Sounds good. I live alone so I won't be doing it in public.

 

[NextSummer]

Idorus I'm glad you posted that quote from Nitschke because it illustrates my doubts about him. He dismisses the article but he himself - being a medical doctor - doesn't refute it with specific facts.

1) Nitschke says the article doesn't define "unbearable symptoms of suffocation" and that the reports he gets from Exit members contradicts that. But he doesn't provide any details of those members' experiences.

2) He says the journal is supposed to be scientific but they're taking a "negative" position and relying on only two cases studies. Using the word "negative" illustrates his own bias. The purpose of a scientific journal is to accurately report on various phenomena, not to take a "positive" or "negative" position on them. Also he's relying on the anecdotal reports of Exit members regarding what it's like to die by ingesting SN which are...case studies. Has he ever heard from anyone who's had bad experiences trying to commit suicide via SN?

3) He then accuses the authors of advocating for medical supervision of euthanasia and maybe they do since the article linked to in this thread isn't the full text. I'd have to see the whole thing to be sure.

4) He accuses the authors of only supporting their own argument. Well of course that's what they're going to do, rightly or wrongly. You present facts, information and even speculative opinion to support your argument. In that case, Nitschke should publish his own article refuting the claims made by the authors if he can using the information provided to him by Exit members instead of just taking shots at the authors.

5) He says that allowing your philosophy to affect the science should be criticized and stopped. Is he doing the same thing too?

6) Also if Nitschke did refuse to address the issue of bodily discoloration after death then that's inexcusable in my opinion.

He has around 4-6 videos of people suiciding with SN - nobody else has this. He can't make them public obviously. So far, he is the only authority on this subject. There is also no personal reason for him to promote SN. SN is a cheap way to suicide, and you don't need the peaceful pill or his organization to do this. Finding a easy reachable substance for suicide and even saying that it's peaceful (7/10) actually makes his organization obsolete. I'd think if he would say "SN is not good", I'd suspect of personal interest to promote N (for which you always need his contact info).

Is it really true that one's corpse turns permanently blue after dying of an SN overdose? Has Nitschke acknowledged this or not?

Cyanosis (turning blue) is mentionned in the PPH. It won't say it stays permanently blue because a dead body will have various colours when rotting.

 

[not_a_robot]

From a recent article of our doc magazine (particular for docs although I managed to get a member) called "Auto-intoxication with "suicide powder".
I will only quote/translate the start and that what stood out the most to me;

Ladies and gentlemen,

We have recently been confronted with suicide attempts with sodium nitrite. Like sodium azide, this agent is considered to be the "suicide powder" or "agent X". In this clinical lesson we discuss the symptoms, pathophysiology, treatment and the mechanism of death after taking sodium nitrite based on 2 patients.

Media coverage has created the impression among the public that sodium nitrite is a "safe and humane agent" that "leads to a dignified death." 2 The mechanism of death, however, is suffocation, with after death permanent blue discoloration of the entire body. Because of the unbearable symptoms associated with suffocation, sodium nitrite is an extremely unsuitable suicide agent.

If anyone is interested I can send the entire article per email (I tried other ways to share but it is impossible) but you will then have to translate it yourself.

Pro Lifers tell us not to use Sn but have no better alternative to offer. Obviously if we could get a humane drug like morphine we would not have to resort to Sn. We do this because humane methods are forbidden to us.

 

[pane]

He has around 4-6 videos of people suiciding with SN - nobody else has this. He can't make them public obviously. So far, he is the only authority on this subject. There is also no personal reason for him to promote SN. SN is a cheap way to suicide, and you don't need the peaceful pill or his organization to do this. Finding a easy reachable substance for suicide and even saying that it's peaceful (7/10) actually makes his organization obsolete. I'd think if he would say "SN is not good", I'd suspect of personal interest to promote N (for which you always need his contact info).



Cyanosis (turning blue) is mentionned in the PPH. It won't say it stays permanently blue because a dead body will have various colours when rotting.

Hello NextSummer,

Thank you for adding your input although I have to disagree:

1) If Nitschke didn't directly or personally participate in making the videos in any way and he gets the permission of the people involved to release them, I'm not sure why he couldn't make them public. I believe there are videos of people commtining suicide posted to youtube by the Swiss Dignitas organization. Again we still don't know how peacefully or not each of those people died after taking SN.

2) Nitschke being the only authority on the subject is a big problem in my opinion as we don't know the full extent or accuracy of the info he's released publically so far. Is he holding anything back regarding suicide by SN? Has he "sanitized" any of the info he's revealed so far about SN?

2) If all he has are 4-6 videos again that's an extremely small number on which to draw any firm conclusions about using SN to commit suicide. Does he have videos of people experiencing problems while dying of SN ingestion or not dying at all after ingesting SN?

3) You assert that Nitschke has no personal reason to promote SN, that people wouldn't need him after finding out about SN and that if he promoted Nembutal you'd be suspicious because using N requires consulting the PPEH which you have to buy from him. I understand the points you've made but disagree because without consulting the PPEH people in general aren't going to know about sodium nitrite and how to buy it and use it.

So they do, in practical terms, need him for that unless some of them come across the SS forum or similiar sites where they can learn everything about SN for free.

4) Dismissing the issue of one's body turning blue after suicide with SN because the body changes colors anyway through decomposition is unacceptable in my opinion. Even if the blue coloration is ultimately temporary, most people are going to be embalmed shortly after death as part of the funeral process so if they're still blue when that happens then it's possible they're going to have the blue color forever. Anyone contemplating using this method should be made aware that this can/does happen so he can decide if that's an acceptable trade off.

 

[Jen0804]

I remember researching that the body turns a blue-ish brown colour as the SN causes methegloninemia (don to know the right spelling) but basically it clings to the red blood cells blocking oxygen within the cells, which causes discolouration of the skin- blue/brown an drew is also why it turns them blood to a brown colour... oxygen in our blood Is what keeps it red

No oxygen in cells will eventually just starve the brain of oxygen resulting in death

That's what I gathered from it in a nutshell last year before trying it

 

[NextSummer]

Hello NextSummer,

Thank you for adding your input although I have to disagree:

1) If Nitschke didn't directly or personally participate in making the videos in any way and he gets the permission of the people involved to release them, I'm not sure why he couldn't make them public. I believe there are videos of people commtining suicide posted to youtube by the Swiss Dignitas organization. Again we still don't know how peacefully or not each of those people died after taking SN.

2) Nitschke being the only authority on the subject is a big problem in my opinion as we don't know the full extent or accuracy of the info he's released publically so far. Is he holding anything back regarding suicide by SN? Has he "sanitized" any of the info he's revealed so far about SN?

2) If all he has are 4-6 videos again that's an extremely small number on which to draw any firm conclusions about using SN to commit suicide. Does he have videos of people experiencing problems while dying of SN ingestion or not dying at all after ingesting SN?

3) You assert that Nitschke has no personal reason to promote SN, that people wouldn't need him after finding out about SN and that if he promoted Nembutal you'd be suspicious because using N requires consulting the PPEH which you have to buy from him. I understand the points you've made but disagree because without consulting the PPEH people in general aren't going to know about sodium nitrite and how to buy it and use it.

So they do, in practical terms, need him for that unless some of them come across the SS forum or similiar sites where they can learn everything about SN for free.

4) Dismissing the issue of one's body turning blue after suicide with SN because the body changes colors anyway through decomposition is unacceptable in my opinion. Even if the blue coloration is ultimately temporary, most people are going to be embalmed shortly after death as part of the funeral process so if they're still blue when that happens then it's possible they're going to have the blue color forever. Anyone contemplating using this method should be made aware that this can/does happen so he can decide if that's an acceptable trade off.

1) No way he can make them public, and remember, it was you who caused an uproar when somebody offered to record her death online for us. You said this would harm this website - you were right but the same way it would harm Nitschke. So I find your objection to this very short-sighted.

2) That's exactly what he says. In the PPH he says "In terms of peacefulness, mixed accounts make this a difficult characteristic to assess". We simply don't know how peaceful SN is. Right now, we have mixed accounts of people on the board too. There are also people who failed with SN, said it was peaceful and tried again with SN. In one of the last video productions Nitschke said, that he might get a video recording of a person who has died terribly - and that this then will affect SN description on terms of peacefulness because so far he has only a few records. For us: Beggars can't be choosers. That's the best result we know so far. Whom do you else expect to conduct experiments with SN? Do you expect anybody from the non-suicide-community to proclaim that there is a peaceful agent? These people will loose their jobs and be held accountable for causing suicides. It's much more easy to lie about a substance and exagerate its negative influence. Also, Nitschke has no problem to downvote a potential agent as "unsuitable", he already does this.

3) No, once the information is out of the PPeH and the method is established in suicide communities, nobody needs the PPeh, as much as nobody needs the PPeH for hanging.

4) That's not the case for me, so I don't bother. We have mostly cremation over here. Why should he hide the fact? Just email him and say it's important and that it should be mentionned explicitly. I don't think this is being neglected on purpose.