How painful is a Sodium Nitrite overdose

[pane]

1) No way he can make them public, and remember, it was you who caused an uproar when somebody offered to record her death online for us. You said this would harm this website - you were right but the same way it would harm Nitschke. So I find your objection to this very short-sighted.

2) That's exactly what he says. In the PPH he says "In terms of peacefulness, mixed accounts make this a difficult characteristic to assess". We simply don't know how peaceful SN is. Right now, we have mixed accounts of people on the board too. There are also people who failed with SN, said it was peaceful and tried again with SN. In one of the last video productions Nitschke said, that he might get a video recording of a person who has died terribly - and that this then will affect SN description on terms of peacefulness because so far he has only a few records. For us: Beggars can't be choosers. That's the best result we know so far. Whom do you else expect to conduct experiments with SN? Do you expect anybody from the non-suicide-community to proclaim that there is a peaceful agent? These people will loose their jobs and be held accountable for causing suicides. It's much more easy to lie about a substance and exagerate its negative influence. Also, Nitschke has no problem to downvote a potential agent as "unsuitable", he already does this.

3) No, once the information is out of the PPeH and the method is established in suicide communities, nobody needs the PPeh, as much as nobody needs the PPeH for hanging.

4) That's not the case for me, so I don't bother. We have mostly cremation over here. Why should he hide the fact? Just email him and say it's important and that it should be mentionned explicitly. I don't think this is being neglected on purpose.

I doubt we're going to find much common ground but here are my replies:

1) Don't you accuse me of starting an "uproar" about anything. The uproar regarding SS was started by the mother of a young woman who was a member here and committed suicide back in May. The mother found her body and discovered that she's been posting real time comments here on SS after ingesting SN. The mother then vented all over Facebook about it and subsequently the local media picked up the story.

I DID have a long argument on a now-deleted thread with a member named Daisy who offered to livestream her suicide, mainly for attention, as she actually said on the deleted thread "If I kill myself and no one sees it, then why do it?"

I went back and forth with her trying to explain why doing this would hurt the SS forum right after that other young women had killed herself with all the media attention the site was getting but Daisy kept going on and on with how that shouldn't matter for this and that reason. Daisy struck me as self-absorbed and narcissistic in her reasoning which got me more and more frustrated with her and eventually I turned sarcastic toward her. The thread degenerated and was deleted. There was no "uproar".

I have to honestly ask, how would releasing vids harm Nitschke? He's already known as "Dr. Death" and "one of the leaders of the euthanasia movement". He does livestreams discussing methods of suicide and related matters. He's created this 3d-printable suicide pod device that you climb into to kill yourself with and talked about it publically already. It's not like he's been doing this secretly for the last 20 years. He certainly embraces his work.

2) Thank you very much for clarifying this point. I confess I haven't read the PPEH in its entirety plus I recognize that Nitschke is the only person we have to rely on in these matters.

4) Although it's not a concern for you, it most likely would be for people in countries where funerals still predominate. I emailed him just recently about the Debreather device that's supposed to be coming out soon (which I'm very interested in) and never got a response so I'm no too motivated to contact him again. Besides Nitschke should fully address the blue coloration issue in the PPEH and his videos without anyone having to ask him to do so.

 

[Dragon]

Hi little lady

I didn't vomit at all, I drank it on an empty stomach an drank it slowly over the Span of 15 minutes or so.
I felt calm but began to feel dissociative like that feeling you get when you are getting tipsy, your vision and reaction times... it felt like I was drunk and I was dizzy. Was outdoors at the time and I couldn't even cross the road. I sat outside of a church, it was night time. I was found by the police and they took me to hospital about 20mins post ingestion and they called next of kin to be there immediately. My heart stopped for a few seconds without need to revive, I was quite in pain actually... stomach an for heart for sure. I didn't fully pass out either it just felt like I was going to sleep. Police officer woke me up and I hadn't realised i had been asleep as didn't feel drowsy leading up to it. Just one minute I was awake the next I wasn't. I have suffered long term issues and I wouldn't do s n again. I was affected by It a student a female it messed up my hormones and seemed to have triggered some kind of early menopause issue. They have me an IV but I'm not sure what was in it. Was observed for three days and a short others mentioned, my blood was brown like chocolate and my fingers and palms were blue.

It also messed up my stomach and digestive Tract for about three weeks

I used 99.95% purity from ebay
Apparently. However I think my SN had some exposure to air which may have contributed to it being less potent

I still can't eat red meat knowing it's coated in s n

Ewwww

You had such a horrible experience because you slowly sipped on the sn solution over the course of a fifteen minute period. The solution is only 50-100ml (only 2-3 chugs) and is supposed to be drank immediately all at once. The mechanism that sn relies on for a swift and painless death is dependent on a very high dose (15 grams) all at once. This ensures that all of it gets RIGHT in your system, the symptoms begin almost immediately, and you should be out in 15-20 minutes with minimal discomfort. The longer you take to drink it, the less it is going to work the way it is supposed to. That is comparable to slowly sipping on a beer or taking a shot of vodka.

Do not forget that there are varying degrees of SN poisoning. It is lethal with as little as 5 grams. That is not to say that you want to run out and take 5 grams of sn. Because your death would be very prolonged, painful and unpleasant. In order for the swift, easy and relatively painless death that we all desire it needs to be done exactly the way that it is supposed to, and 15 grams needs to go right into your system all at once so that it can do its magic.

I doubt we're going to find much common ground but here are my replies:

1) Don't you accuse me of starting an "uproar" about anything. The uproar regarding SS was started by the mother of a young woman who was a member here and committed suicide back in May. The mother found her body and discovered that she's been posting real time comments here on SS after ingesting SN. The mother then vented all over Facebook about it and subsequently the local media picked up the story.

I DID have a long argument on a now-deleted thread with a member named Daisy who offered to livestream her suicide, mainly for attention, as she actually said on the deleted thread "If I kill myself and no one sees it, then why do it?"

I went back and forth with her trying to explain why doing this would hurt the SS forum right after that other young women had killed herself with all the media attention the site was getting but Daisy kept going on and on with how that shouldn't matter for this and that reason. Daisy struck me as self-absorbed and narcissistic in her reasoning which got me more and more frustrated with her and eventually I turned sarcastic toward her. The thread degenerated and was deleted. There was no "uproar".

I have to honestly ask, how would releasing vids harm Nitschke? He's already known as "Dr. Death" and "one of the leaders of the euthanasia movement". He does livestreams discussing methods of suicide and related matters. He's created this 3d-printable suicide pod device that you climb into to kill yourself with and talked about it publically already. It's not like he's been doing this secretly for the last 20 years. He certainly embraces his work.

2) Thank you very much for clarifying this point. I confess I haven't read the PPEH in its entirety plus I recognize that Nitschke is the only person we have to rely on in these matters.

4) Although it's not a concern for you, it most likely would be for people in countries where funerals still predominate. I emailed him just recently about the Debreather device that's supposed to be coming out soon (which I'm very interested in) and never got a response so I'm no too motivated to contact him again. Besides Nitschke should fully address the blue coloration issue in the PPEH and his videos without anyone having to ask him to do so.

Why are all of you in this thread going on and on and on and on about the blue discoloration of the skin, and Nitschke not "addressing the issue"? There is nothing to address. It is mentioned in the PPH. What do you want the guy to say? What "issue" is there to "address"? It has nothing at all to do with the experience. Cyanosis is not painful. It doesn't even produce symptoms. You can be mid-cyanosis with your body turning blue and you don't even feel a thing. CO turns your skin red, and SN turns your skin blue. What is the issue??

 

[Jen0804]

Thank you dragon
Well I wished I had chugged it but I feared I'd have thrown up since I didn't have any of the metclopramide. You are right that cyanosis doesn't hurt, you don't really feeel it as much as you see it. It can be a bit alarming If you're not expecting it but it's just blue tinge to skin as you/dragon says
I added about 300ml water, another mistake

 

[Foster13]

Thank you dragon
Well I wished I had chugged it but I feared I'd have thrown up since I didn't have any of the metclopramide. You are right that cyanosis doesn't hurt, you don't really feeel it as much as you see it. It can be a bit alarming If you're not expecting it but it's just blue tinge to skin as you/dragon says
I added about 300ml water, another mistake

You never mention HOW MUCH did you take? Do you know how many grams of SN did you take?? You only mentioned that it's 300 ml of water.

 

[Kronos]

I have no access to benzos, maybe I should workout for 2 hours, then take it and fall asleep immediately.

 

[*KNAZ*]

As far as how painful it is. Well I'll just say that if you take too much it will have a negative effect. I read this report from 8chan I think it was about this guy that took too much and had some uncomfortable effects like vomiting etc. So just stick to the recommended amount which I think is 5 grams. Don't quote me on that though.

The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams; however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and to 15. The PPH has increased the dose to 25 grams in 14 September 2019 revision. The dose remained 25 grams in 20 October 2019 revision.

 

[Kronos]

The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams; however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and to 15. The PPH has increased the dose to 25 grams in 14 September 2019 revision. The dose remained 25 grams in 20 October 2019 revision.

What if I take 50 grams? Are there side effects to consuming too much of it?

 

[Stan]

What if I take 50 grams? Are there side effects to consuming too much of it?

Death

 

[Kronos]

Death

Haha, I meant if I would feel pain because of taking too much.

 

[schopenh]

You need a benzo to help with pain too. You can buy a benzo analog legally called Etizolam which is not regulated because it's so new. Right now it's still considered a research chemical. But it's so similar to benzo's that you shouldn't have a problem with it.

depends where you live whether Etizolam is readily available.

 

[Roger]

You need a benzo to help with pain too. You can buy a benzo analog legally called Etizolam which is not regulated because it's so new. Right now it's still considered a research chemical. But it's so similar to benzo's that you shouldn't have a problem with it.

Patented 47 years ago, approved (in some countries) for medical use 36 years ago.

 

[Are you lost too?]

Haha, I meant if I would feel pain because of taking too much.

It's probably not gonna do you any good, only increase the odds of vomiting.
Not an expert, though.

 

[Foster13]

The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams; however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and to 15. The PPH has increased the dose to 25 grams in 14 September 2019 revision. The dose remained 25 grams in 20 October 2019 revision.

Sorry, where did you get the 20 October revision?

 

[Strangeasangels]

I have everything I need to do this but I have been sitting on it. I hope my life gets better. I don't want to give up but I feel so low right now. My job ends in a month and I am afraid how I will support myself. I also have a friend coming the week of Thanksgiving which happens to be just before my job officially ends. And i am full of anger and sadness because i was so screwed over at my job. Chewed up, spat out.

I don't care if my body is blue. I will be dead.

but I do care about pain. I don't want to go out screaming....

 

[*KNAZ*]

I have everything I need to do this but I have been sitting on it. I hope my life gets better. I don't want to give up but I feel so low right now. My job ends in a month and I am afraid how I will support myself. I also have a friend coming the week of Thanksgiving which happens to be just before my job officially ends. And i am full of anger and sadness because i was so screwed over at my job. Chewed up, spat out.

I don't care if my body is blue. I will be dead.

but I do care about pain. I don't want to go out screaming....

You won't go out screaming or in pain if you follow the protocol.

 

[Strangeasangels]

This is what im saying. people are getting paranoid and it's making everyone second guess. They will make themselves throw up just from the panic of second guessing. better to just follow protocol and stop over thinking.

so drink it, no capsules? I see some people want to do that...

happily will take a chill pill. Thanks for reassurance...

 

[*KNAZ*]

so drink it, no capsules? I see some people want to do that...

happily will take a chill pill. Thanks for reassurance...

Some people have talked about capsules but I haven't seen any research or posts that says capsules are more effective or associated with fewer ingestion issues than just drinking SN. Just some hearsay but nothing concrete. If anyone knows any reason why pills would be preferable or superior to drinking, please reply.

Pill method means you would have to buy empty gelatin capsules and load them with the SN.

Packing enough gelatin capsules to hold 15-20g could result in having to swallow a large handful of pills and THEN waiting for all of them to release their contents. Could take longer than just drinking?

Slower uneven release from pills could result in more of the symptoms associated with a lower than recommended dose. Something to avoid.

 

[Foster13]

If the SN doesn't solute in 75ml of water, do I keep adding water or do I drink it as is - with some powder on the bottom?

Tech specs say sn is very soluble in water, so this shouldn't be a problem

 

[MeltingHeart]

I've stumbled upon that article more than a few times already.

sorry-this was a long time ago- do you know where/ if it can still be read? thks

From a recent article of our doc magazine (particular for docs although I managed to get a member) called "Auto-intoxication with "suicide powder".
I will only quote/translate the start and that what stood out the most to me;

Ladies and gentlemen,

We have recently been confronted with suicide attempts with sodium nitrite. Like sodium azide, this agent is considered to be the "suicide powder" or "agent X". In this clinical lesson we discuss the symptoms, pathophysiology, treatment and the mechanism of death after taking sodium nitrite based on 2 patients.

Media coverage has created the impression among the public that sodium nitrite is a "safe and humane agent" that "leads to a dignified death." 2 The mechanism of death, however, is suffocation, with after death permanent blue discoloration of the entire body. Because of the unbearable symptoms associated with suffocation, sodium nitrite is an extremely unsuitable suicide agent.

If anyone is interested I can send the entire article per email (I tried other ways to share but it is impossible) but you will then have to translate it yourself.

this is worrying / off putting- not that I have any anymore anyways (thats alot of any's!) - but still- for the future-just in case- it concerns me.

 

[*KNAZ*]

Th

sorry-this was a long time ago- do you know where/ if it can still be read? thks

this is worrying / off putting- not that I have any anymore anyways (thats alot of any's!) - but still- for the future-just in case- it concerns me.

I think this is fake news. Goes against PPH and what others have said. Of course they want to scare you away from something as easily available as SN. They want to scare you away from everything. I would delete this article and go back to the basics of reading the info available here that people have repeatedly and I mean REPEATEDLY posted that addresses all of your concerns. Keep it simple and quit fomenting paranoia. If you don't want to do SN, then walk away and find something else. But quit posting the same doubts and worries and fears in the hopes that you will get a different response. If you want someone to say that SN is bad so you can feel ok walking away from it, then "yes SN is a horrible way to die and you should definitely find another method". There I said it. So now we can all move on.

For my sanity I will no longer be replying on this thread.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Th

I think this is fake news. Goes against PPH and what others have said. Of course they want to scare you away from something as easily available as SN. They want to scare you away from everything. I would delete this article and go back to the basics of reading the info available here that people have repeatedly and I mean REPEATEDLY posted that addresses all of your concerns. Keep it simple and quit fomenting paranoia. If you don't want to do SN, then walk away and find something else. But quit posting the same doubts and worries and fears in the hopes that you will get a different response. If you want someone to say that SN is bad so you can feel ok walking away from it, then "yes SN is a horrible way to die and you should definitely find another method". There I said it. So now we can all move on.

For my sanity I will no longer be replying on this thread.

Fair enough- no i was just curious & hadnt actually read a 'medical' article on the subject as such, previously- so I just thought id give it a brief look- cover all my bases so to speak, I cant read it anyway as its in Dutch- I dont have any SN anyways & cant get at the mo either- totally get what you are staying though- it was just something I stumbled upon looking at old threads and hadnt seen before- certainly did not mean to 'freak out' about the method or cause others to do so- I agree that if someone doesn t feel comfortable with a method- then they just need to move on and pick another one. Truth be told I am actually just obsessing about it since mine got taken & I am mortified. I have also said many of the same things you have said -when people have posted stuff about being worried about what it taste likes, or 'feeling strange' when they take it ( as if yr gonna feel completely normal) ...anyways... I dont have any anymore- so I shouldnt have been querying & yr rgt I do need to move on...

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

I think the idea of suffocation is horrible, of course it is, the inability to exhale c02 triggers pain and panic, there is no way around that. The question is do the symptoms of suffocation come before loss of consciousness or do they come after? Because if you pass out from lack of oxygen but can still exhale Carbon Dioxide there would not seem to be the feeling of suffocation. Like inhaling Carbon Monoxide, most people dont even know they are breathing it but are being deprived of oxygen with each breath. The body doesnt trigger flight or fight unless you are not able to exhale carbon dioxide

 

[k75]

I think the idea of suffocation is horrible, of course it is, the inability to exhale c02 triggers pain and panic, there is no way around that. The question is do the symptoms of suffocation come before loss of consciousness or do they come after? Because if you pass out from lack of oxygen but can still exhale Carbon Dioxide there would not seem to be the feeling of suffocation. Like inhaling Carbon Monoxide, most people dont even know they are breathing it but are being deprived of oxygen with each breath. The body doesnt trigger flight or fight unless you are not able to exhale carbon dioxide

You aren't really suffocating with SN. You just can't use the oxygen in your blood. That's different. If you do it correctly, the main thing you'll likely notice is fast breathing and pounding heart, and people have been experimenting with propranolol to mitigate those symptoms. In any case, the method is designed in a way that you should be asleep before most discomfort hits.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Feels so strange @Stan has gone- I keep expecting him to respond or post a funny meme.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

You aren't really suffocating with SN. You just can't use the oxygen in your blood. That's different. If you do it correctly, the main thing you'll likely notice is fast breathing and pounding heart, and people have been experimenting with propranolol to mitigate those symptoms. In any case, the method is designed in a way that you should be asleep before most discomfort hits.

That is my understanding of it too... death by "suffocation" would be keeping a person from breathing... I would think a strong benzo could counter the heart rate / labored breathing... this will most likely be my method. I've considered N but I just dont see myself getting down 200ml.of that stuff. I've also considered C0. I will likely attempt C0 before SN. But either way it seems like the same process, probably the same symptoms as well. I just feel inhalation of a gas would be preferable to ingestion because your lungs can't throw up... I wish Stan had shared some of his last moments with us... its strange because I had a chat with him 2 days before he caught the bus. He had probably already started his antiemtics at that point, of course I respect his right to privacy, I just wish we had more info on this.

 

[gambardella]

I was wondering if otc sleeping pills (like diphenhydramine) could be a good substitute for benzos though? I cant have access to benzos. Im well aware there can't be a 100% peaceful death but if the pain can be reduced that'd be great.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

I was wondering if otc sleeping pills (like diphenhydramine) could be a good substitute for benzos though? I cant have access to benzos. Im well aware there can't be a 100% peaceful death but if the pain can be reduced that'd be great.

Hard to know OTC sleeping pills are really just benadryl, and one thing about benedryl a lot of people may not know. If taken in large doses it can create some terrifying symptoms. In some people as little as 100mg (at once) can cause anxiety, inability to swallow properly, hallucinations, severe dehydration, and inability to urinate . Some of Those OTC drugs are nasty if you dont follow the dosing instructions, and its not likely the recommend dose of an anti histamine (25mg) would give you the knock out effect you're looking for with a benzo

 

[gambardella]

Hard to know OTC sleeping pills are really just benadryl, and one thing about benedryl a lot of people may not know. If taken in large doses it can create some terrifying symptoms. In some people as little as 100mg (at once) can cause anxiety, inability to swallow properly, hallucinations, severe dehydration, and inability to urinate . Some of Those OTC drugs are nasty if you dont follow the dosing instructions, and its not likely the recommend dose of an anti histamine (25mg) would give you the knock out effect you're looking for with a benzo

These side effects most likely happen when ODing though? I don't wanna OD on benadryl, I just need the sedative effect similar to benzos.
Also i'm really sorry if I sound 'picky' about an already simple method... but I've read threads from people who had taken benzos and it seemed to make the experience significantly more peaceful, compared to people who hadn't taken sedatives.

 

[k75]

I honestly think there's some overthinking going on here. Benzos aren't even necessary, just a luxury. Unconsciousness will happen before any really bad side effects do. And remember, it's important to not accidentally knock yourself out before you even take the SN. The more drugs you add to the mix, the greater the risk of things going wrong. Just keep it simple and trust everything to do its job.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

These side effects most likely happen when ODing though? I don't wanna OD on benadryl, I just need the sedative effect similar to benzos.
Also i'm really sorry if I sound 'picky' about an already simple method... but I've read threads from people who had tjaken benzos and it seemed to make the experience significantly more peaceful, compared to people who hadn't taken sedatives.

I completely understand, the method scares me if I'm being honest...after reading my reply I can see I did not really clarify what I meant... I am thinking that the standard dose of benedryl would probably offer very little sedative effect in this case. I also dont know how it would effect an already fairly complex mixture of chemicals and medications, given that it causes water retention, that may or may not be a good thing...

I honestly think there's some overthinking going on here. Benzos aren't even necessary, just a luxury. Unconsciousness will happen before any really bad side effects do. And remember, it's important to not accidentally knock yourself out before you even take the SN. The more drugs you add to the mix, the greater the risk of things going wrong. Just keep it simple and trust everything to do its job.

Also a good point... I mean if the worst of it is labored breathing and rapid heart beat, anyone who has endured a panic attack could be prepared for that feeling by just knowing it might happen