Discussion How can you get a child?

[GoneGoneGone]

Despite my intentions there is always a possiblity I could impregnate someone regardless.

Oh so you're a man? Have you heard of coitus interruptus? Why do you think it's okay to have sex with a woman with the possibility to impregnate her? Do we leave again all the contraception methods to women?

 

[Mr2005]

Its not about how the child is treated by parents. What he is saying is that life is inherently a bad thing, as it is mainly suffering with bits of ok moments. He is probably an antinatalist on the humanitarian grounds. Which I am too. You brought a life into this thrasher from non existence, following instinct. And that bred suffering and pain. So philosophically speaking, you've done evil by creating new life.
U followed the instinct or whatever made u have kids. No need to apologise for that, but theoretically he is right

Your perspective is primitive beyond belief. He argues for that non existence is inherently and always better than existence.

He also adds that people make kids for selfish reasons. And even care for them for selfish reasons.

So an act of having a child is an act of forcing a new being into suffering,( that is inevitable for living beings,) for selfish reasons.

Yes, that is evil. How good or bad the child's life will be is inconsequential for determining that it is an evil act

It's just the pro lifers guilt shaming of death in reverse

 

[foxdie]

So, one can have sex while having zero intentions of having children. Agreed.

"I could" so conditional, meaning there is such a way one could make a choice to increase or decrease this possibility?

Is the purpose of sex to have children or not? (You said that). Why have sex if there's no chance of having children?

The conditional in this scenario is whether the sperm fertilizes the egg. Why have sex if there's no possibility of having children? Are you a virgin? Because it's quite pleasurable actually.

Oh so you're a man? Have you heard of coitus interruptus? Why do you think it's okay to have sex with a woman with the possibility to impregnate her? Do we leave again all the contraception methods to women?

That wasn't my point at all. First of all, I only have sex with women who want to do it with me. We both think it's okay so that's what makes its okay. Second, I don't leave all contraceptives methods to the woman. I always wear a condom because I don't want kids. And third, if you think pulling out if effective contraceptive, I have some bad news for you. But please, I give up. I was the first reply on this post. Agree to disagree, we are talking in circles. I'm waving the white flag, I realize I won't convince anyone and vice versa.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

Second, I don't leave all contraceptives methods to the woman. I always wear a condom because I don't want kids.

I thought you were from the ones arguing that sometimes there are no contraceptive methods (condoms, pills etc.). My bad.
That's great then, if you use condoms + pull out, there is zero chance of impregnating someone. So that negates your statement that there's always the possibility of impregnating someone when having sex.

 

[ghostspace]

I think it's a choice, because logically I can't see the reason for wasting my time and resources on having children. Maybe those with this "drive" have a stronger primitive programming, but I'd argue that the child still owes them and society nothing because they never consented to be brought into this world.

True. This is still casual and I come from a solid two-parent household. I'm willing to argue about anything, as long as people don't get personal. Not sure why this is so upsetting to you...

Every time a person has sex, is the underlying desire to have a child? Are you willing to extend this to same-sex couples?

Desire, no, biological purpose, yes. I don't understand how this is so incomprehensible to you, it's not very complicated and multiple people have explained it at length.

-People want to have sex because it feels good.

-It feels good so that people will have children.

-People can do it both because it feels good and to have children.

-People can do it exclusively because it feels good if they don't want children.

-People can not care either way if they're okay with potentially having children.

-Procreating is part of being a living being. It's ridiculous to say it's 'bad' or 'good' as if it's as straightforwardly as black and white as that.

-same-sex couples have a sex drive for the same biological purpose, they're just not attracted to people of the opposite sex.

I don't think it's okay to condemn people for having kids when a lot of people on here are parents who feel suicidal already, for a lot of people, this is the one place they can go to not be judged.

It's fine for you to have whatever opinions and not have sex or want children but it's inconsiderate to say that having children is evil/selfish etc regardless of whether or not that's up for debate.

I think you can see that some people share your opinion and some people don't. People aren't always going to agree with you and the things you're saying can be very hurtful to vulnerable people on here. I have a feeling that you're going to say something like, "well they shouldn't read it if it upsets them."

Posts on here typically are written to not be overly judgmental to one group of people or another out of basic respect for people's lifestyles, beliefs, and ideals.
You are outright saying it's ultimately bad to be a parent, which is judgmental and shames people who have or want to have families. Whether or not you intend it to, it comes off as self righteous and smug, which isn't really helping you if you're trying to get people to see your point.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

@ghostspace
My apologies if I came across as judgemental. It wasn't my intention. I'm sorry if anyone was hurt by my words. It is just my opinion, and I am a bitter person that hates life because of what it's done to me. I agree with what you are saying, as that is the biological programming of humans, but I think it's all meaningless in the end. The desire to be human is meaningless. I'd much rather evolve beyond this world and it's barbaric practices (again, nothing personal. Just the unbridled resentment I feel toward my deplorable situation)

 

[ghostspace]

@ghostspace
My apologies if I came across as judgemental. It wasn't my intention. I'm sorry if anyone was hurt by my words. It is just my opinion, and I am a bitter person that hates life because of what it's done to me. I agree with what you are saying, as that is the biological programming of humans, but I think it's all meaningless in the end. The desire to be human is meaningless. I'd much rather evolve beyond this world and it's barbaric practices (again, nothing personal. Just the unbridled resentment I feel toward my deplorable situation)

I understand, I'm really sorry you feel that way about yourself and the world, it's a dark and soul-sucking reality to have. I feel you, I've been there, it fucking sucks.

I'm going to start saying 'evolve beyond this world' instead of CTB as it has a more interesting ring to it. *:･ﾟ✧ ✧ﾟ･:

love to you and no hard feelings, okay?

 

[kqlysrsly]

Not all parents are bad evil people. We bring life into this world to love, nurture, raise them and release them into this world as wonderful people.

Most wonderful people are depressed at home.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

More on topic though, I'm the parent of two lovely young boys who are well taken care of and enjoying life. I don't regret it and I don't care what anyone thinks about it.

The title gives you weird vibes?
But you can hammer a vagina so hard day in and day out your wife cries from her vagina being red and soar and she has a baby life that has to go through life (hell) and inevitably die in pain.

Some part of me wants to understand how your brain operates, so, how do you reason? I'm slightly interested actually.

I mean looking back at your reply makes you look really not smart. One very innocent thread title makes you feel uncomfortable and there you are making the most immoral action you can possibly do in this life.
I think that's very weird. You're acting delusional.

 

[TripleA]

I really dont know why people want to have kids in this kind of cruel world!

 

[kqlysrsly]

I really dont know why people want to have kids in this kind of cruel world!

It's really strange indeed but it comes down to people being pathetic and have no true inner voice. They are following others like sheep.

Take sex for an example. In 5 out of 6 cases of intimate relationships the woman swallow sperm. She does it because the man wants to mainly and also because she wants to feel dirty. The man wants it because the kinky/dirty feeling feels forbidden because she actually swallows life.

Now this is really disgusting if you think about it, but humans make this crucial to the sex nowadays because it turns them on. And then you make a baby. Do you see how parents are filthy?

 

[Aap]

Your edge lord logic is shit.
"And that bred suffering and pain. So philosophically speaking, you've done evil by creating new life."

reproduction is a biological imperative. Animals reproducing is evil? Animals experience suffering and pain. Working out causes some suffering and pain. Working out is evil? The totality of existence is not suffering and pain, though any sentient organism will experience them from time to time.

"He also adds that people make kids for selfish reasons. And even care for them for selfish reasons.

So an act of having a child is an act of forcing a new being into suffering,( that is inevitable for living beings,) for selfish reasons.

Yes, that is evil. How good or bad the child's life will be is inconsequential for determining that it is an evil act"

Every organism pro creates for selfish reasons? Every human procreates for selfish reason? Parents only care for their children for selfish reasons? Ingrained biological imperatives to reproduce are evil? You talk about evil...how do you define evil if, by your definition, existence is evil. If everything is evil, then nothing is. For people who have seen evil, your myopia and arrogance are disconcerting.

 

[ghostspace]

Holy fuck, someone burn this thread.

 

[Aap]

I never thought I would say this, but you need to take a break from 4chan.

 

[kqlysrsly]

Holy fuck, someone burn this thread.

Why? Because you want to? How do you go about burning a forum thread? Are you in physical pain because this info exist?

 

[Aap]

This thread and the one defending a hebe/pedophile make me reconsider spending my limited time left sharing here.

 

[kqlysrsly]

This thread and the one defending a hebe/pedophile make me reconsider spending my limited time left sharing here.

Who is?

 

[ghostspace]

This thread and the one defending a hebe/pedophile make me reconsider spending my limited time left sharing here.

we've descended to the dingy basement of SS
kind of horrifying, kind of funny.

 

[Aap]

I love 4chan...but there I can speak freely and don't have to worry about "safe spaces." There is something very positive about an unrestrained exchange of ideas. Bad ones, like the OPs premise, are quickly reduced to the crap they are.

 

[ghostspace]

I love 4chan...but there I can speak freely and don't have to worry about "safe spaces." There is something very positive about an unrestrained exchange of ideas.

Totally agree, I shouldn't have made a reference to a stereotype.

I like seeing a whole spectrum of unrestrained humans posting their thoughts and opinions. (can't stay long bc I need my safe space, but it's an interesting occasional visit for sure.)

 

[Mercury6737]

Because it's quite pleasurable actually.

-People want to have sex because it feels good.

-[In fact] It feels good so that people will have children.

I just wanted you guys to say it. For the record, in this thread, I've asked significantly more questions than I have made statements.

 

[Aap]

Oh no apologies needed. I know what you meant. For the posters you had in mind, I believe the comparison is probably more apt that you realize.

 

[Mr2005]

I've yet to find an antinatalist who likes life and people. If you want to decide what's best for people try asking them. It's the scorched earth policy really and that often derives from not getting any themselves

 

[kqlysrsly]

I just wanted you guys to say it. For the record, in this thread, I've asked significantly more questions than I have made statements.

You sir are a genius.
This truth made me sure I wanna ctb.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

In 5 out of 6 cases of intimate relationships the woman swallow sperm.

Receipts please. You watch too much porn lol

 

[Acopia]

How do I unsubscribe from the notifications about this thread..?
*facepalm*

 

[not4us]

How do I unsubscribe from the notifications about this thread..?
*facepalm*

 

[Acopia]

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[Brick In The Wall]

Most wonderful people are depressed at home.

The title gives you weird vibes?
But you can hammer a vagina so hard day in and day out your wife cries from her vagina being red and soar and she has a baby life that has to go through life (hell) and inevitably die in pain.

Some part of me wants to understand how your brain operates, so, how do you reason? I'm slightly interested actually.

I mean looking back at your reply makes you look really not smart. One very innocent thread title makes you feel uncomfortable and there you are making the most immoral action you can possibly do in this life.
I think that's very weird. You're acting delusional.

I'd say your reply is very weird and highly delusional. But I'm not going to argue my intelligence or ideology with you. No part of me wants to understand how your brain operates. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

 

[checkouttime]

Receipts please. You watch too much porn lol

they talk a load of BS aswell

I'd say your reply is very weird and highly delusional. But I'm not going to argue my intelligence or ideology with you. No part of me wants to understand how your brain operates. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

Its quiet simple they don't have one!

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

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