Has anyone here attempted drowning as a method?

[purplesky9]

What was it like. I'm thinking of trying it because I'm running out of other options. Did you attach weights to yourself. Did you use alcohol or drugs beforehand to make it a bit more bearable. I'm hoping it isn't as bad as it sounds.

 

[usernamesarehard]

I can't say for certain, but I have a feeling the answer is no one/next to no one here has used drowning as a method. A lot of people here are obsessed with a peaceful death and drowning is anything but peaceful.

 

[Intoxicated]

A lot of people here are obsessed with a peaceful death and drowning is anything but peaceful.

That's a questionable point of view. It's like saying that surgical operations are painful, that is obviously untrue in case if they're done with a proper analgesia or anesthesia.

Drowning causes unconsciousness by making the blood oxygen saturation low enough, but so does gas asphyxiation too. If you faint from gas asphyxiation first, then you no longer need to wait until drowning makes your blood sufficiently oxygen-deficient for losing consciousness, hence you skip the most unpleasant part.

Someone described this trick together with experiments on fainting years ago

Gas asphyxiation and drowning

Hey guys, I have a question about a CTB method that I hope someone could answer. I can get my hands on diflouroethane quite easily in the form of air duster. This rapidly replaces oxygen in the blood and causes unconsciousness. So the plan is as follows: book a hotel room with a tub. Fill the...

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and was inactive on the forum since then.

 

[lament.]

Not traditional drowning but I tried shallow water knock out drowning twice and it was too hard to pass out and I feel like unless my bathtub was way bigger I would end up with my head out of water. If I tried drowning again it would probably be from jumping off a bridge.

 

[onerousyawn]

That's a questionable point of view. It's like saying that surgical operations are painful, that is obviously untrue in case if they're done with a proper analgesia or anesthesia.

Drowning causes unconsciousness by making the blood oxygen saturation low enough, but so does gas asphyxiation too. If you faint from gas asphyxiation first, then you no longer need to wait until drowning makes your blood sufficiently oxygen-deficient for losing consciousness, hence you skip the most unpleasant part.

Someone described this trick together with experiments on fainting years ago

Gas asphyxiation and drowning

Hey guys, I have a question about a CTB method that I hope someone could answer. I can get my hands on diflouroethane quite easily in the form of air duster. This rapidly replaces oxygen in the blood and causes unconsciousness. So the plan is as follows: book a hotel room with a tub. Fill the...

sanctioned-suicide.net

and was inactive on the forum since then.

Interesting…would the diflouroethane show up in a person'a system on an autopsy? If no, with enough alcohol involved it could feasibly present like passing out in the tub.

Also if no, I wonder if there's a way to transfer the diflouroethane into another sort of container/something less conspicuous without just loosing it all…

 

[Intoxicated]

Interesting…would the diflouroethane show up in a person'a system on an autopsy?

In case of Aaron Carter's death, difluoroethane is officially mentioned as a contributing factor to drowning

Los Angeles County Medical Examiner

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Los Angeles County Medical Examiner

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I guess, food-grade nitrous could be somewhat more pleasant to inhale than DFE

Man drowns in Gold Coast hotel spa after inhaling 'nangs'

www.9news.com.au

Also if no, I wonder if there's a way to transfer the diflouroethane into another sort of container/something less conspicuous without just loosing it all…

It's possible to fill a latex balloon with the gas, but people may find it and guess what it was used for.

 

[_Gollum_]

Semi-related, but I tried triggering cold shock response via sudden immersion in cold water (~0-2 degrees celsius), and I was unsuccessful. As soon as I got in the water (in this case a river), my subconscious survival instinct took over and I scrambled out as fast as I could, relatively unscathed. I did go to the hospital after because I was still extremely cold (took me a few hours to warm up even with their help) and didn't want to have any lasting effects.

About a month after this, I planned to jump off a short bridge with a backpack full of weights, (very) securely attached to me with a contraption I had engineered, but I ended up chickening out while standing on the ledge because I was afraid of the impact from the jump.

 

[silentballet]

Idk how to swim, I had thoughts of just simply walking to the water on the beach bc I cant swim. do you think will I be successful? I never tried swimming in deep waters or where my feet couldn't touch the ground unless I'm holding on to something/someone or if I have a life jacket. I feel like if I'll just walk, since I can't swim, I wouldn't be able to get back to the shallow waters and eventually drown.

 

[purplesky9]

I do. Are you scared to do it?

 

[onerousyawn]

In case of Aaron Carter's death, difluoroethane is officially mentioned as a contributing factor to drowning

Los Angeles County Medical Examiner

me.lacounty.gov

Los Angeles County Medical Examiner

mec.lacounty.gov

I guess, food-grade nitrous could be somewhat more pleasant to inhale than DFE

Man drowns in Gold Coast hotel spa after inhaling 'nangs'

www.9news.com.au

It's possible to fill a latex balloon with the gas, but people may find it and guess what it was used for.

Would the NO2 show up on an autopsy?

 

[Intoxicated]

Would the NO2 show up on an autopsy?

You probably wouldn't want to inhale NO2 for CTB. If you meant N2O, then identifying it is possible with some expensive equipment, but such procedures are not done routinely during autopsy.

When a victim dies in such circumstances, the crime scene analysis allows for identifying N2O asphyxia as the cause of death (DiMaio and Garriott 1978; Randhawa and Bodenham 2016). Police often find tanks, whipped cream canisters, N2O cartridges, and professional or self-made anesthesia equipment (Potocka-Banas et al 2011; Bäckström et al 2015).

Generally, autopsy only shows generic signs of asphyxia, such as cyanosis, conjunctival petechiae, visceral congestion, and lung and brain edema (Prahlow and Byard 2011), but nothing leading directly to nitrous oxide intoxication.

Nitrous oxide intoxication: systematic literature review and proposal of new diagnostic possibilities - Egyptian Journal of Forensic Sciences

Background Nitrous oxide (N2O), also called “laughing gas,” is the most commonly used inhalation anesthetic in dentistry. The N2O is no longer used, because of the long-term neurologic and cardiovascular sequelae. Due to its sedative and euphoric properties, N2O is often used for recreational...

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What are the advantages of hiding the fact of inhaling the gas anyway? Since nitrous is known as a substance widely used for recreational purposes (inhalation abuse), a death under its influence can easily be ruled out as an accident if there are no specific reasons to suspect suicide or homicide.

 

[iamgood]

You probably wouldn't want to inhale NO2 for CTB. If you meant N2O, then identifying it is possible with some expensive equipment, but such procedures are not done routinely during autopsy.

When a victim dies in such circumstances, the crime scene analysis allows for identifying N2O asphyxia as the cause of death (DiMaio and Garriott 1978; Randhawa and Bodenham 2016). Police often find tanks, whipped cream canisters, N2O cartridges, and professional or self-made anesthesia equipment (Potocka-Banas et al 2011; Bäckström et al 2015).

Generally, autopsy only shows generic signs of asphyxia, such as cyanosis, conjunctival petechiae, visceral congestion, and lung and brain edema (Prahlow and Byard 2011), but nothing leading directly to nitrous oxide intoxication.

Nitrous oxide intoxication: systematic literature review and proposal of new diagnostic possibilities - Egyptian Journal of Forensic Sciences

Background Nitrous oxide (N2O), also called “laughing gas,” is the most commonly used inhalation anesthetic in dentistry. The N2O is no longer used, because of the long-term neurologic and cardiovascular sequelae. Due to its sedative and euphoric properties, N2O is often used for recreational...

ejfs.springeropen.com

What are the advantages of hiding the fact of inhaling the gas anyway? Since nitrous is known as a substance widely used for recreational purposes (inhalation abuse), a death under its influence can easily be ruled out as an accident if there are no specific reasons to suspect suicide or homicide.

hey, do you have any ideas to use this kind of set up to for larger n20 gas volume ?


due to my extreme unwarranted/uncredible anxiety of cylinder rupture during the CTB event while i am unconscious , i am terrified to use the cylinder. I live in a highly developed city where the rescue service and emergency doctor can reach my place in 2 to 4 min if any cylinder rupture sound is heard.So there is a very tiny probability of being rescued at 4 to 6 minute after i lose consciousness which will result in bed confinement and i wont be able to attempt the ctb again in my life / for several months. I have already thought of using lower capacity cylinder but still a 20 to 30 bar cylinder rupture can cause severe effects to building and generated incredibly loud sound. I am willing to transfer the nitrogen, helium or n20 to a low pressure (about 1 to 4 bar ) container such as plastic containers, and then use that plastic container for my ctb. even if the plastic container breaks, the low pressure burst wont cause damage or sound that can be reported. but even after days of searching i cant find something that i can use. i want to combine hanging and inert gas and i want the gas to be delivered to my lungs at least for 8 to 10 minutes. Maybe u have some creative ideas that i cant think of ?


The mask was connected to a rubber tube and a plastic bag, forming a closed system. A whipped cream pump was loaded with a nitrous oxide cartridge and connected to the plastic bag

I also don't understand why this white plastic bag was used and how this white plastic bag container nitrous oxide because we can see a large air gap.so how did he made this work out ? also there is only 4.5 liter of n20 in the canister and we breath atleast 6 to 8 liter air per min. so how did he manage to not to increase co2 in his body since he was breathing co2 .

i am also willing to transfer the gas content from 8g canister into a big bag or container. so i can use 80 to 100 canisters to get 240 to 300 liters of gas. But i dont know where i can find such containers with valves which allow gas to be filled in and with other valve to extract the gas at 15 to 20 liter per min.

Thank you very much

 

[Intoxicated]

i want to combine hanging and inert gas and i want the gas to be delivered to my lungs at least for 8 to 10 minutes. Maybe u have some creative ideas that i cant think of ?

While I believe that N2O can significantly mitigate discomfort from drowning (which is mentioned in the subject of this thread), I don't think that a discussion about hanging, particularly with an unnecessarily sophisticated setup, would fit the main topic well. Opening a separate thread for brainstorming around your method would be more appropriate.

I also don't understand why this white plastic bag was used

Because inhaling a pressurized gas directly from the dispenser would be dangerous and without the possibility of rebreathing it.

also there is only 4.5 liter of n20 in the canister and we breath atleast 6 to 8 liter air per min. so how did he manage to not to increase co2 in his body since he was breathing co2 .

He probably used multiple chargers, screwing them with the holder on the dispenser's inlet one by one. The amount of gas contained in 2 - 3 chargers should suffice for inducing unconsciousness. Further accumulation of CO2 is not important, because inhaling nitrous at high concentrations makes you insensitive to hypercapnia, that was revealed by the conducted experiments described along with the related case report.