Method Guns/firearms megathread

[uniquejam]

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They only mention fragments for a few shotgun cases: can we assume the other shotgun survivors are from slugs? Also, what do you think about rifle vs slug? Similar in lethality? There is probably reasons why shotgun seems to be preferred over rifle, but it might just be convenience and access.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

They only mention fragments for a few shotgun cases: can we assume the other shotgun survivors are from slugs? Also, what do you think about rifle vs slug? Similar in lethality? There is probably reasons why shotgun seems to be preferred over rifle, but it might just be convenience and access.

I think it's easier to handle a shotgun versus a rifle based on the length of each weapon

 

[uniquejam]

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Yeah you are probably right considering probability, because slugs seem to be less used than both buckshot and birdshot. But contact wound from standard shotgun buckshot also has high chances of bursting the head- based on survival from variety of guns, I would not conclude any is lethal enough to succeed without proper aim, and "provide damage everywhere".

 

[capi]

Yeah you are probably right considering probability, because slugs seem to be less used than both buckshot and birdshot. But contact wound from standard shotgun buckshot also has high chances of bursting the head- based on survival from variety of guns, I would not conclude any is lethal enough to succeed without proper aim, and "provide damage everywhere".

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[uniquejam]

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I agree with everything but the last statement: one of the study you showed concluded that head bursting was a consequence of kinetic energy, not impacted by type of ammunition. And I don't know if that is even the right conclusion.

 

[capi]

I agree with everything but the last statement: one of the study you showed concluded that head bursting was a consequence of kinetic energy, not impacted by type of ammunition. And I don't know if that is even the right conclusion.

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[uniquejam]

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Yeah I understood the first part, I'm not sure about the second part: Buckshots inherently have less energy than slugs. This is something that ultimately depends on the specific ammunition used, usually will be shown on packaging. Definitely something to consider when choosing.

 

[tinyfox]

Hello, everyone. Please advise if, in my country, it is only possible to obtain hunting weapons with a special permit, whether it is worth considering purchasing a firearm illegally.

Which of these options is preferable?

Is it better to obtain a legal hunting weapon or attempt to obtain a pistol illegally? Which option is truly worth considering? Thank you.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Another day in one of the most gun-friendly places on earth, another day I'm too pussy to buy one.

I already knew it was gruesome, but seeing pics of shotgun blasts to the head made me afraid. I also saw a video of a faceless guy writhing on a hospital bed. But that's so unlikely.

LostAllHope says a shotgun blast to the head is 99% lethal with 5/100 agony. It's the #1 method for a reason. I'm looking at a click and gone.

Yes, there's half a head left and an explosion of blood and brains. But it does not hurt. It might as well be Nembutal. You barely need to make the decision. You put some weight on the trigger and you're gone. You wouldn't even hear it!

I CANNOT GET A PAINLESS DRUG. I need to get that through my head. Fantasizing about it won't make it happen. Action, that is, going to the damn pawn shop or sporting goods store or texting a private seller makes it happen. The way to end my pain is a shotgun. I must put one foot in front of the other.

 

[losingsteam3141]

Thoughts on 45 ACP intraoral? I have less faith pointing above the ear

 

[uklad38]

Is there any threads dedicated to black powder guns and where in uk / Europe to source?

 

[Yakui]

Is there any threads dedicated to black powder guns and where in uk / Europe to source?

Unfortunately afaik OP was mistaken, black powder guns and the powder itself is both regulated in the UK.

Only choices are some sort of illegal route or getting a shotgun license (easier than getting a firearm license).

 

[uklad38]

Unfortunately afaik OP was mistaken, black powder guns and the powder itself is both regulated in the UK.

Only choices are some sort of illegal route or getting a shotgun license (easier than getting a firearm license).

Thanks, have already tried the illegal route to no avail so far!

 

[LXR515]

to maximize chance of death, would it be smart to mix two potential methods? Like a bullet through the mouth and OD? Like timing it so you take the drugs and then shoot so you can maximize lethality

 

[jurassicpark7452]

I have a shotgun and have tried several time to go through with it but it's really hard to press the final trigger pull with it up to your head. I was also thinking I might set up some sort of wrapping to contain the brain matter, or go in the closet but I'm not sure. Another thing with a long Mossberg shotgun its hard to angle it right and keep it there even if you have long arms like me. Maybe I will draw a circle there with a marker and use a mirror to help me ensure the best possible shot. I have truball federal reserve deep penetrators and also double 00 buckshot. Not sure which will cause death faster or how the mess would differentiate.

 

[FailedNav]

I've looked through the thread (admittedly, I didn't read every comment) and still have a couple of questions. I'm most likely using a 9mm through the mouth. what grain should I use? Would 115gr be enough or should I go with 147gr? I'm trying to take over penetration into consideration. I'll be in shed with a single wall as a backstop. Which brings me to my next question. Should I add additional layers of plywood as a security for the backstop...how much?

Should I use flanged vs simple hollow points if I can get them?

My initial thought is that 115gr hollow points should be enough to penetrate into the brainstem.

 

[LumppyLoser]

Hoping my .50 muzzleloader isn't too much… :p

 

[isthisthingon]

.357 magnum with 158 grain bullets, shot just above the ear right to left.

Lost all hope mentions a 97% success rate. I like my odds.

Here's another diagram for those wondering where the brainstem is relative to the other features of your head. Aim for the pink circle:

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Aim for the pink circle? Can anyone explain why this is the preferred area on this forum? It seems completely made up by one user without any data to back it up. It gets reused and reused through out the megathread.

EDIT I found a source a few pages later:

Does A Gunshot To The Head Mean Instant Death?

About 42% of gunshot-to-the-head victims who reach the hospital survive. Survival depends on bullet location, velocity, caliber, and how quickly medical aid arrives. Here's the science behind it.

www.scienceabc.com

Inert gasses are more easily obtainable than firearms. Even here, in the USA.

Not anymore for anyone reading this in 2026. Shocking isn't it? Most states buying a gun is easier than buying a cylinder of inert gas. Good ol' USA

 

[Kye]

mossberg 590 with buckshot. shortest barrel I could easily get a few years ago. it'll do the job once it's time.

it's so stupidly easy to get guns here. it's pretty sad

 

[isthisthingon]

mossberg 590 with buckshot. shortest barrel I could easily get a few years ago. it'll do the job once it's time.

it's so stupidly easy to get guns here. it's pretty sad

What's your plan?

Any other users keen on firearms? This thread is dead, I'm guessing you can only say so much before you run out of new things to say about firearms.

Lack of "I failed" posts are non-existent. To me that's a good sign

 

[Betsy007]

.357 magnum with 158 grain bullets, shot just above the ear right to left.

Lost all hope mentions a 97% success rate. I like my odds.

It's a .357 magnum for me too. I have both 158 grain soft points and 125 grain jacketed hollow points. I'm leaning toward using the hollow points, but they both have their advantages. I'm not a gun person (unfortunately) and I haven't seen the firepower of either in the wild. And it will probably be through the mouth for me. Mind if I ask why you're choosing the side of the head? I'm going through the mouth because it feels steadier to grip the gun with both hands.

That chart on Lost All Hope... I keep wondering how they got their numbers. The time to die after a shot gun to the head should be milliseconds, unless someone with really bad aim skewed the average. But whatever, our odds are very good.

What's your plan?

Any other users keen on firearms? This thread is dead, I'm guessing you can only say so much before you run out of new things to say about firearms.

Lack of "I failed" posts are non-existent. To me that's a good sign

LOL, you're right, there are zero "I failed" threads.

This thread was great while I was trying to pick a gun, but now that I have one, it's like you said, there's only so much to say.

to maximize chance of death, would it be smart to mix two potential methods? Like a bullet through the mouth and OD? Like timing it so you take the drugs and then shoot so you can maximize lethality

A large dose of aspirin 30 minutes before to maximize bleeding. It's not as effective as a massive dose of heroin or what have you, but it's easy, available, and won't impair my aim.

 

[isthisthingon]

….Mind if I ask why you're choosing the side of the head?…

The revolver doesn't fit in my mouth.

That chart on Lost All Hope... I keep wondering how they got their numbers. The time to die after a shot gun to the head should be milliseconds, unless someone with really bad aim skewed the average. But whatever, our odds are very good.

I'm hoping that is just time to death after you're rendered unconscious, maybe it takes a few minutes for your body to completly shut down.

 

[Quentin]

I'm sure I'll chime in more as the thread progresses, and generally make my usual verbose nuisance of myself, but I'll start with this:

Hollywood representations of gun suicides are a very, very bad template to follow. Shooting yourself in the temple, or holding the gun under your chin, is a BAD idea, for either pistol or long-gun attempts. The odds are good you won't hit the all-important brainstem, but will instead blow out your frontal lobe and end up a vegetable. Some people have even blown off the entire front of their face and lived --and been able to survive without a life support machine. If you think your life is bad now...

These Hollywood aimpoints are probably the majority of why gun suicide statistics show only an 82.5% success rate rather than 100%.

I'll collect a few more thoughts and be back later.

please tell the best angles, i cant risk this

 

[isthisthingon]

please tell the best angles, i cant risk this

What firearm do you have?

 

[Liebestod]

The revolver doesn't fit in my mouth.


I'm hoping that is just time to death after you're rendered unconscious, maybe it takes a few minutes for your body to completly shut down.

Side of the head with a handgun is statistically the most lethal path anyway with handguns, I've debunked the brain stem obsession on this forum too many times, you can find them if you look around. More info on here though I should update it I've also engaged with so many users here on temple vs in the mouth and have provided empirical evidence supporting my claims.

 

[Quentin]

What firearm do you have?

i dont have one currently but i was thinking of getting a shotgun as i heard its most lethal. i would really prefer not to do the mouth method i know im gonna mess that one up.

 

[isthisthingon]

i dont have one currently but i was thinking of getting a shotgun as i heard its most lethal. i would really prefer not to do the mouth method i know im gonna mess that one up.

Firearms are 90% lethal. This data includes all firearm attempts over a certain period in the US. With a shotgun that number only increases. The majority of the lethal shots in another study are through the mouth or to the side of the head center mass.

Side of the head with a handgun is statistically the most lethal path anyway with handguns.

In your research regarding handguns, is it right above the ear or slightly behind the ear? From what I've gathered it really doesn't matter both will be lethal. Do you agree with that?

I like to hear from people who have put the research in.

 

[Liebestod]

In your research regarding handguns, is it right above the ear or slightly behind the ear? From what I've gathered it really doesn't matter both will be lethal. Do you agree with that?

Above the ear is preferable for a more guaranteed result because doing it behind the ear actually isn't that common.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Side of the head with a handgun is statistically the most lethal path anyway with handguns, I've debunked the brain stem obsession on this forum too many times, you can find them if you look around. More info on here though I should update it I've also engaged with so many users here on temple vs in the mouth and have provided empirical evidence supporting my claims.

I haven't read anything from you on here, that debunks 12 GA in the mouth aimed at the brainstem as being the most lethal method with a firearm and the fastest way to render yourself unconscious.

(Which is the goal of any method, to achieve unconsciousness as quickly as possible)

Brainstem is instant if done correctly.

Other areas such as heart etc, are not an instant death and you've got the rib cage to factor in which can potentially take some of the heat out of the shot. (Likely not enough to survive if it's a contact shot with 00 buck etc, but still enough that it will hurt like hell)

 

[Liebestod]

I haven't read anything from you on here, that debunks 12 GA in the mouth aimed at the brainstem as being the most lethal method with a firearm and the fastest way to render yourself unconscious.

(Which is the goal of any method, to achieve unconsciousness as quickly as possible)

Brainstem is instant if done correctly.

Other areas such as heart etc, are not an instant death and you've got the rib cage to factor in which can potentially take some of the heat out of the shot. (Likely not enough to survive if it's a contact shot with 00 buck etc, but still enough that it will hurt like hell)

I didn't say anything regarding shotguns in fact I've said in threads that it would be one of the most lethal ways, I was talking about HANDGUNS because handgun positions are the most debated on this forum, everyone knows that a shotgun in the mouth results in death 99% of the time. The variables that make a shotgun shot in the mouth successful are different than the ones that make a handgun shot in the mouth successful because they shoot two completely different types of projectiles.