Method Guns/firearms megathread

[uniquejam]

Transporting a shotgun after purchase - Options for transport kind of limited since I don't own a car.
One shop I went to said I would need a car, can't sell to someone who has to walk with a shotgun around (pretty sure it would be legal by state law, but its not really a gun state so I understand it would cause suspicion).
Would a gun case be enough, in anyone's experience? Head to shop by uber, and walk back?

A follow up question: Since I don't have a driver's license, I'll have to present other government issued ID for the ATF 4473. I'm paranoid this will be an obvious sign that I didn't come in a car, and may be denied sale of gun for not having a way to transport the gun. If it does come to that, I could possibly lie about coming with friends (would require a busier store where its not immediately exposed). Ultimately, transporting a gun (specifically shotgun) on foot is not illegal in my state (i think). Maybe I am overthinking it but my first shopping attempt has made me somewhat paranoid on this.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

A follow up question: Since I don't have a driver's license, I'll have to present other government issued ID for the ATF 4473. I'm paranoid this will be an obvious sign that I didn't come in a car, and may be denied sale of gun for not having a way to transport the gun. If it does come to that, I could possibly lie about coming with friends (would require a busier store where its not immediately exposed). Ultimately, transporting a gun (specifically shotgun) on foot is not illegal in my state (i think). Maybe I am overthinking it but my first shopping attempt has made me somewhat paranoid on this.

Can you ride share? Uber

 

[fallen.dove]

Hello all, I'm thrw_a_way1221221, or you can call me TAW122 if that's easier for you. In this thread, here is all the information in regards to ctb'ing via a gun/firearm.

Everyone who is suggesting or choosing to ctb via 'N' and 'A' and 'H', that's cool. However, this thread is about GUNS (Not biceps) so.

First and foremost. The obvious.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

According to a 1997 study from the University of Harvard, Firearms wield a 82.5% success rate. Where as drugs have a 1.5% SUCCess rate (C what I did there)? Now of course, if you're not American, it's pretty much impossible to get a reliable gun. Although black powder is a thing, and I will get into that, because you know, I think renaissance festival enthusiasts are pretty cool (It's a joke laugh). Okay. Anywho. Let's talk guns.

I think that there has been some misconceptions with guns and reliability.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms/reliability (Over 90%)
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ (90%)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm (Suicide by firearm accounted for like 49% of all American suicides in 2015)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (Only 5% survive a gunshot to the head)

Drugs.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/drug-poisoning-us



5,465 OUT OF 228,366.

'But TAW122 I can get N.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06ttdrug.html

While a totally old article, it still makes valid points and has correctly predicted trends in the United States. N is being manufactured less and less, and the legal demand for it just is not there. So yes. I'm sure they still use it in Mexico and other third world countries. It is also expensive. Are you truly ready for the painstaking and irritating time of finding a dark market, finding a reliable seller, and risking criminal prosecution (such as being intercepted by customs and all that shit)?

'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'

In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.

Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)


Guns beat drugs every day of the week. Sorry guys. When it comes to reliability. This is how it works. Now. Before we get into the joys of muzzle loading and you renaissance festival lovers, we're going to discuss for everyone in North America.

If you live in the US and do not live in California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, or New York, and you have not committed a felony, and have not broken ATF regulations. You can purchase a gun. Congratulations.

plz read the laws and make sure you follow them okay, thanks guise

If you're going to catch the bus with a firearm in the US or Canada, using anything short of a shotgun is not really reliable (unless you are experienced with firearms and know how to shoot it well, where to aim, steady hands, etc).

'But TAW122, I have a .44 revolver/only have access to a handgun.'

If you can afford a shotgun, you should REALLY consider buying one. Plus, I believe in many states long guns (aside from the anti-gun, 2A hating states) are generally easier to come by. I live in NC so I have the opposite problem (NC has a pistol purchase permit law which is a holdover from the Jim Crow era and only serves to inconvenience people to buy handguns).

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

This bad boy costs UNDER $200 (as of current price). This is a fully functional and god-tier shotgun. The coolest part about owning a shotgun is when you cock it. It's just a sexy sound.

'But TAW122, how do I buy a gun from le Internet?'



TL;DR - Your gun is shipped to a nearby guy who has a FFL. He holds the gun. You go to his place. He does the background check. You leave with your firearm.

'But ammo'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081/products_id/60359

This is the only round you need. This is overkill and generally good if you can get it. However, birdshot does work too, and I personally have #4 shot, which will still be sufficient especially at point blank range.

'But TAW122, I am a minor'

Well, you shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. Wait until you are an legal adult (18 in the US), and then move out and/or go and buy one.

'But TAW122, I have never shot one before'




Watch some youtube videos, go to a local range where you live or something.

'But TAW122, I live in a state with harsh gun laws'

Muzzle Loaders and Black Powder. READ EM.

'But TAW122, I am an adult, yet live with my parents'

If you buy the firearm online and have it shipped to your FFL, it should literally take 30 minutes for a background check to be completed. You can be in and out in 30 minutes. EZ PZ.

'But TAW122, I can't do that.'

Muzzle Loaders do not require an FFL. You can have shipped right to your front door.

'But TAW122, black powder/muzzle loading when?'



It is just a bit more complicated, but with enough guides and videos on the Internet, I believe you should be able to figure it out.

'TAW122, plz make a recommendation on a firearm for me'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ons+P1060+Kentucky+Pistol+Percussion+50cal+10

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97060/Mossberg+PATRIOT+20+308+Y+WAL


These are just a few examples (see above).

'But TAW122, you said not to use a handgun nor a rifle'

The first example is not a handgun. It's a hand cannon. There is a difference.

'But TAW122, I live in Europe, I can't buy my guns online'

There are many gun stores in the UK that will allow you purchase REALLY overpriced renaissance festival cosplay equipment. Remember, when you go into the gun store, you're buying it because you're going to be Ollie Cromwell or Henry the 8th or something. Act enthused and passionate.

'But TAW122, I live in East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)'

Gun ownership in Asia, especially in East Asia is very restricted and civilian ownership is pretty much banned.

'But TAW122, I live in Oceania, (Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, Micronesia, etc.)'

Afaik, @stargazer has mentioned that is it very difficult to legally obtain a firearm in those countries.

'But TAW122, in the UK, licenses, licenses, licenses'

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/back-to-black-72074

You must demonstrate a good reason for having one. Possession of, and intent to use, a gun that is only proofed for black powder is a good reason.

'But TAW122, you did not list my country, or give me adequate information.'

Ask away and I will do my best to answer them.

'TAW122, where do I aim?'

See diagram below:

The happy place is the Medulla Oblongata (I like to call it, the Medusa Origin just for the luls) aka the brain stem. Once it is hit and destroyed, death is instantaneous/near instantaneous.

hi, i have a question uhh i am from poland and i want to buy a gun (some kind of a handgun ig so its easier to hide) do u think its possible to order it to the parcel locker? or is it better to go in person? i dont really know. im kinda scared of going there in person. im scared of getting in trouble in general..u can send me some links to the websites aswell. :>
thanks in advance

 

[uniquejam]

Can you ride share? Uber

yes, but a firearm would be against Uber's firearm policy

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Incredibly stupid question: birdshot will still blow up your head, right? Of course it will.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Incredibly stupid question: birdshot will still blow up your head, right? Of course it will.

Less damage than buck. Why anyone would choose birdshot over buckshot, if shotgun is their method, makes no sense to me.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

Less damage than buck. Why anyone would choose birdshot over buckshot, if shotgun is their method, makes no sense to me.

same.....if you're going for shottie use buckshot 00

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Less damage than buck. Why anyone would choose birdshot over buckshot, if shotgun is their method, makes no sense to me.

The thought was I'd want to pretend I'm skeet shooting when I'm at the store buying it...overthinking.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

The thought was I'd want to pretend I'm skeet shooting when I'm at the store buying it...overthinking.

use buckshot...quicker and more lethal IMO

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

use buckshot...quicker and more lethal IMO

Quicker?! Seems like either would be instantaneous with a 12ga in your mouth, no?

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

Quicker?! Seems like either would be instantaneous with a 12ga in your mouth, no?

I can't help you there.....I've never fired a shotgun in my life.

Buckshot causes significantly more damage and is far more effective for defense than birdshot. Buckshot consists of fewer, much larger, and heavier pellets designed for deep penetration and stopping power against large targets, while birdshot is designed for small game and lacks the necessary penetration for self-defense.
Damage Comparison:

• Buckshot: At close range, it acts like a "powerful punch" of 8 to 9 large, heavy pellets, which can cause severe, deep, and often fatal wounds, breaking bones and causing significant tissue damage.
• Birdshot: It features many tiny pellets that are ideal for small game but lack the mass to penetrate deeply. While devastating at extremely close range, at slightly longer distances, it is less effective and more likely to cause superficial wounds, as noted in a YouTube video by Smithbusters and a Quora post by a former first responder.

Key Differences:

• Purpose: Buckshot is for large game and self-defense; birdshot is for birds and clay shooting.
• Penetration: Buckshot offers superior penetration (essential to reach vital organs), whereas birdshot has a higher risk of failing to penetrate deep enough.
• Over-penetration: Buckshot poses a higher risk of passing through targets and walls, while birdshot is less likely to.
• Injury Type: Buckshot causes massive, deep destruction, while birdshot typically causes a shallower, wide pattern of smaller wounds.

For home defense, 00 (Double-Ought) Buckshot is considered the industry standard for effectiveness.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

You know, I think I'm working up the courage. Hanging used to give me this feeling of relief, but I know it's too painful and I won't do it. A shotgun is a death button. The results are ugly, but I'll be gone by cleanup time. Home defense is a good reason to buy a basic Mossberg from a sporting goods store. I can keep a smile up while I buy.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

You know, I think I'm working up the courage. Hanging used to give me this feeling of relief, but I know it's too painful and I won't do it. A shotgun is a death button. The results are ugly, but I'll be gone by cleanup time. Home defense is a good reason to buy a basic Mossberg from a sporting goods store. I can keep a smile up while I buy.

I'm still keeping a 12G as a ctb option for me. I ordered what I think and hope is SN so that's another option for me. Shottie will be a freaking mess and traumatize my family but will be quick and I hopefully would not feel a thing. ...... SN will be somewhat uncomfortable for me for a (short) period of time.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I'm still keeping a 12G as a ctb option for me. I ordered what I think and hope is SN so that's another option for me. Shottie will be a freaking mess and traumatize my family but will be quick and I hopefully would not feel a thing. ...... SN will be somewhat uncomfortable for me for a (short) period of time.

My SN got intercepted by customs and I'm tired of hanging theater. CO remains a possibility but again, that's risky. A shotgun delivers the goods without pain and without doubt. If you want to die, it's the ticket.

 

[capi]

im curious, why do people use buckshot instead of a slug? ?? am i missing something here? slugs can take out bears and its my preferred method

 

[locked*n*loaded]

and I'm tired of hanging theater.

That's really kinda catchy. Kudos.

 

[Leaving1970]

I thought I had this solidified with a .357 and hollow points. But the more I read the megathread should I switch to a 12G shotgun? I've shot tons of handguns, but never a shotgun, I think thats my reason for the .357. .357 seems like a solid plan, but are you better off with a shotgun for absolute certainty.

Both assuming an in the mouth shot aimed that the brain stem???

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

My SN got intercepted by customs and I'm tired of hanging theater. CO remains a possibility but again, that's risky. A shotgun delivers the goods without pain and without doubt. If you want to die, it's the ticket.

Did you order your sn from DSL?

im curious, why do people use buckshot instead of a slug? ?? am i missing something here? slugs can take out bears and its my preferred method

From what I've read, what if you miss with the slug? At least with buckshot, there will be multiple projectiles.... Granted not a large spread at point blank range.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Did you order your sn from DSL?

I don't think so. The one in Poland. Cheap, shipped by FedEx so they were calling me for a while but I had no idea how to bullshit through the form they wanted me to fill out.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

I don't think so. The one in Poland. Cheap, shipped by FedEx so they were calling me for a while but I had no idea how to bullshit through the form they wanted me to fill out.

Ahhhh. Mine will be delivered via USPS.

 

[glitterpvppy]

I'm late to this thread so the image on where to aim is unavailable

 

[capi]

Did you order your sn from DSL?

From what I've read, what if you miss with the slug? At least with buckshot, there will be multiple projectiles.... Granted not a large spread at point blank range.

Buckshot has no spread close contact. And doesnt carry as much energy. Slugs literally destroy more and carry a lot more joule and explosive power so i would actually need less precision. So i dont understand why it wouldn't be a good idea for me.
A slug isnt like any normal single projectile like with hanguns.
(Note: im not giving instruction or advocating, im talking/questioning about my own method)

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

I thought I had this solidified with a .357 and hollow points. But the more I read the megathread should I switch to a 12G shotgun? I've shot tons of handguns, but never a shotgun, I think thats my reason for the .357. .357 seems like a solid plan, but are you better off with a shotgun for absolute certainty.

Both assuming an in the mouth shot aimed that the brain stem???

I also can't decide. I really don't want to traumatize the stranger that finds my body by blowing up my head but I'm worried I'll mess up the shot placement with a .44 or .357, even if thats probably irrational.

At least for me, I think my family would take the advice to not view the body if they were advised not to, and with either a shotgun or a handgun Id be disfigured enough that the only people who would see me are the first responders. At least with a shotgun it would be easier to call in advance and not worry about being saved, but for some reason it's harder to mentally accept than a handgun.

 

[uniquejam]

Buckshot has no spread close contact. And doesnt carry as much energy. Slugs literally destroy more and carry a lot more joule and explosive power so i would actually need less precision. So i dont understand why it wouldn't be a good idea for me.
A slug isnt like any normal single projectile like with hanguns.
(Note: im not giving instruction or advocating, im talking/questioning about my own method)

Buckshot has no spread at that range, so it should act as a single mass, which would be the same as a slug and thus have essentially same lethality. This is what Ive seen said, but there could be other differences- namely, buckshot pellets could ricochet off each other and thus create larger wound paths than a single bullet will. A bit like difference between FMJ that keeps it's shape, vs hollow point that can expand and thus larger wound.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Oh shit. Gunshot videos on WPD are horrible. This is scaring me straight again. At least hanging sometimes LOOKS peaceful.

Being a blown off face guy after a botched shotgun suicide is not something I want to risk. OTOH the likelihood is ~0%. Point that thing back between your ears, through the mouth. It'll look nasty but you won't feel a thing.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

Oh shit. Gunshot videos on WPD are horrible. This is scaring me straight again. At least hanging sometimes LOOKS peaceful.

Being a blown off face guy after a botched shotgun suicide is not something I want to risk. OTOH the likelihood is ~0%. Point that thing back between your ears, through the mouth. It'll look nasty but you won't feel a thing.

I refuse to watch any of those videos

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I refuse to watch any of those videos

Well, what's done is done. New pics of exploded heads were the most affecting. It's hard not to think of these things as evil. I don't think I can do it to myself. Maybe I should shift to CO. It seems to work for a lot of Koreans.

 

[capi]

Buckshot has no spread at that range, so it should act as a single mass, which would be the same as a slug and thus have essentially same lethality. This is what Ive seen said, but there could be other differences- namely, buckshot pellets could ricochet off each other and thus create larger wound paths than a single bullet will. A bit like difference between FMJ that keeps it's shape, vs hollow point that can expand and thus larger wound.

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[uniquejam]

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Im curious in the cases, if you are able to find them. I made the qualification that there might not be a distinction at close range, aka suicide. For headshots from further range, yes that is definitely in favor of slugs. To burst the head, not all slugs have enough energy either. I appreciate the reply too!

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

Well, what's done is done. New pics of exploded heads were the most affecting. It's hard not to think of these things as evil. I don't think I can do it to myself. Maybe I should shift to CO. It seems to work for a lot of Koreans.

Let me know what you learn. Seems like a peaceful way to ctb. I'm by no means a chemist so I'd probably mess it up lol