Method Guns/firearms megathread

[leloyon]

Anyone have a good source for videos of suicides / gun suicides ? Working on my terrible SI, I think constantly viewing death may be desensitizing and possibly help. Hopefullly

watchpeopledie

 

[simplyshmee]

Here's another diagram for those wondering where the brainstem is relative to the other features of your head. Aim for the pink circle:

View attachment 4213

So, this diagram is stating that you should pull the trigger aiming at the pink circle? and not the roof of your mouth or temple or side of your skull? Seems like a VERY small area of effective impact

 

[Savemysoul86]

Indeed, Threads and TiredHorse have all provided a lot of valuable information on this megathread. They are very knowledgeable about firearms and ballistics. Also readyasever also has quite a bit of firearm knowledge as well.

I've updated my OT (original topic) a bit to include information regarding other countries such as Asia and Australia. Some people who live in other parts of the world may have a much more difficult time when it comes to access to firearms so they may have to either travel to a country with less restrictive gun laws or find an alternative way to go about ctb via a firearm.



I've read the article and yes, this is rather sad to hear about someone using the wrong technique and then now that person is marked for life (probably never able to ctb via a firearm). Also, what irked me (sorry as this may be my atheist side showing) was the article mentioning that it was the angels that saved her life and stopped the bullet. I just have a hard time coming to terms with that. The more plausible and scientific explanation is that the bullet when it entered her chin, took a different trajectory due to the soft tissue, the angle at which the bullet entered, and physics played a big role in how the bullet traveled.

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I'll give a little story of my limited experience with firearms, just as something to think about.

TAW122's first time at the range:
I first went to a gun range, it was an indoor range and I fired a 9mm. The range officer was courteous and before I even handled any firearms, he took me to a classroom within the range facility and instructed me about safety and stuff. Despite not knowing much, I did pretty well and the crash course in safety and handling went well. A bit later, he took me to the actual range and handed me a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm. I believe I went through about 50 rounds and it was very, very loud (especially indoors and even with double hearing protection - ear plugs and ear muffs). The recoil was a bit strong as a first time shooter, but it did take a bit of time to get accustomed to. Needless to say, I did rather well according to the range officer as a first timer. I could have gone a bit more and also tried a shotgun, but I never did. I think I may have seen someone in another lane shoot one and generally one would position it close to one's shoulder (tucked in) and lean forward a bit to control the recoil. I've learned a lot that day and it further increased my respect and admiration for firearms in general (I always liked firearms as a kid even though that was my first time actually shooting a real gun), the power and the amount of damage it can do.

Would buying a 12 gauge in cash at a pawn shop arouse suspicion? Especially if I carry it out in a camping chair bag to my house on foot?

 

[mysideofthemountain]

Here's another diagram for those wondering where the brainstem is relative to the other features of your head. Aim for the pink circle:

View attachment 4213

What would be a good place to point in order to successfully aim here? Seems like not the temple (movies are wrong again I guess) but maybe behind the ear. Skull is there? Is that a problem.

How long would pain be felt if this were successful? What if it weren't?

 

[Monad]

What would be a good place to point in order to successfully aim here? Seems like not the temple (movies are wrong again I guess) but maybe behind the ear. Skull is there? Is that a problem.

How long would pain be felt if this were successful? What if it weren't?

Through the mouth. Do not do behind the ear. You are aiming for the brainstem. If you successfully hit it, you won't feel anything, you will just return to nonexistence. Assuming you don't hit it, it depends if you hit something else and die, or if you hit nothing. If you hit something else and die, then probably not a lot of pain. Still probably won't feel anything, and if you do it will be for a very brief moment. If you survive, you will be in a world of hurt.

 

[mysideofthemountain]

Through the mouth. Do not do behind the ear. You are aiming for the brainstem. If you successfully hit it, you won't feel anything, you will just return to nonexistence. Assuming you don't hit it, it depends if you hit something else and die, or if you hit nothing. If you hit something else and die, then probably not a lot of pain. Still probably won't feel anything, and if you do it will be for a very brief moment. If you survive, you will be in a world of hurt.

Through the mouth? How likely am I to hit if I aim through the mouth?

 

[Monad]

Through the mouth? How likely am I to hit if I aim through the mouth?

Very likely, it acts as a sort of guide. I am unsure of the exact angle, but it is NOT straight up. I believe it's like a 45 degree angle or something.

 

[mysideofthemountain]

Very likely, it acts as a sort of guide. I am unsure of the exact angle, but it is NOT straight up. I believe it's like a 45 degree angle or something.

I'll try to look into angles, thanks. Any other resources on angles would be appreciated.

 

[ireallywasnttogopls]

Through the mouth. Do not do behind the ear. You are aiming for the brainstem. If you successfully hit it, you won't feel anything, you will just return to nonexistence. Assuming you don't hit it, it depends if you hit something else and die, or if you hit nothing. If you hit something else and die, then probably not a lot of pain. Still probably won't feel anything, and if you do it will be for a very brief moment. If you survive, you will be in a world of hurt.

why not behind the ear?

 

[BlooBerryBanjo3000]

Will a 9mm x 19 Ruger pistol with hollow-point bullets be fatal enough?

Hello all, I'm thrw_a_way1221221, or you can call me TAW122 if that's easier for you. In this thread, here is all the information in regards to ctb'ing via a gun/firearm.

Everyone who is suggesting or choosing to ctb via 'N' and 'A' and 'H', that's cool. However, this thread is about GUNS (Not biceps) so.

First and foremost. The obvious.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

According to a 1997 study from the University of Harvard, Firearms wield a 82.5% success rate. Where as drugs have a 1.5% SUCCess rate (C what I did there)? Now of course, if you're not American, it's pretty much impossible to get a reliable gun. Although black powder is a thing, and I will get into that, because you know, I think renaissance festival enthusiasts are pretty cool (It's a joke laugh). Okay. Anywho. Let's talk guns.

I think that there has been some misconceptions with guns and reliability.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms/reliability (Over 90%)
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ (90%)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm (Suicide by firearm accounted for like 49% of all American suicides in 2015)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (Only 5% survive a gunshot to the head)

Drugs.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/drug-poisoning-us



5,465 OUT OF 228,366.

'But TAW122 I can get N.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06ttdrug.html

While a totally old article, it still makes valid points and has correctly predicted trends in the United States. N is being manufactured less and less, and the legal demand for it just is not there. So yes. I'm sure they still use it in Mexico and other third world countries. It is also expensive. Are you truly ready for the painstaking and irritating time of finding a dark market, finding a reliable seller, and risking criminal prosecution (such as being intercepted by customs and all that shit)?

'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'

In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.

Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)


Guns beat drugs every day of the week. Sorry guys. When it comes to reliability. This is how it works. Now. Before we get into the joys of muzzle loading and you renaissance festival lovers, we're going to discuss for everyone in North America.

If you live in the US and do not live in California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, or New York, and you have not committed a felony, and have not broken ATF regulations. You can purchase a gun. Congratulations.

plz read the laws and make sure you follow them okay, thanks guise

If you're going to catch the bus with a firearm in the US or Canada, using anything short of a shotgun is not really reliable (unless you are experienced with firearms and know how to shoot it well, where to aim, steady hands, etc).

'But TAW122, I have a .44 revolver/only have access to a handgun.'

If you can afford a shotgun, you should REALLY consider buying one. Plus, I believe in many states long guns (aside from the anti-gun, 2A hating states) are generally easier to come by. I live in NC so I have the opposite problem (NC has a pistol purchase permit law which is a holdover from the Jim Crow era and only serves to inconvenience people to buy handguns).

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

This bad boy costs UNDER $200 (as of current price). This is a fully functional and god-tier shotgun. The coolest part about owning a shotgun is when you cock it. It's just a sexy sound.

'But TAW122, how do I buy a gun from le Internet?'



TL;DR - Your gun is shipped to a nearby guy who has a FFL. He holds the gun. You go to his place. He does the background check. You leave with your firearm.

'But ammo'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081/products_id/60359

This is the only round you need. This is overkill and generally good if you can get it. However, birdshot does work too, and I personally have #4 shot, which will still be sufficient especially at point blank range.

'But TAW122, I am a minor'

Well, you shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. Wait until you are an legal adult (18 in the US), and then move out and/or go and buy one.

'But TAW122, I have never shot one before'




Watch some youtube videos, go to a local range where you live or something.

'But TAW122, I live in a state with harsh gun laws'

Muzzle Loaders and Black Powder. READ EM.

'But TAW122, I am an adult, yet live with my parents'

If you buy the firearm online and have it shipped to your FFL, it should literally take 30 minutes for a background check to be completed. You can be in and out in 30 minutes. EZ PZ.

'But TAW122, I can't do that.'

Muzzle Loaders do not require an FFL. You can have shipped right to your front door.

'But TAW122, black powder/muzzle loading when?'



It is just a bit more complicated, but with enough guides and videos on the Internet, I believe you should be able to figure it out.

'TAW122, plz make a recommendation on a firearm for me'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ons+P1060+Kentucky+Pistol+Percussion+50cal+10

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97060/Mossberg+PATRIOT+20+308+Y+WAL


These are just a few examples (see above).

'But TAW122, you said not to use a handgun nor a rifle'

The first example is not a handgun. It's a hand cannon. There is a difference.

'But TAW122, I live in Europe, I can't buy my guns online'

There are many gun stores in the UK that will allow you purchase REALLY overpriced renaissance festival cosplay equipment. Remember, when you go into the gun store, you're buying it because you're going to be Ollie Cromwell or Henry the 8th or something. Act enthused and passionate.

'But TAW122, I live in East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)'

Gun ownership in Asia, especially in East Asia is very restricted and civilian ownership is pretty much banned.

'But TAW122, I live in Oceania, (Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, Micronesia, etc.)'

Afaik, @stargazer has mentioned that is it very difficult to legally obtain a firearm in those countries.

'But TAW122, in the UK, licenses, licenses, licenses'

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/back-to-black-72074

You must demonstrate a good reason for having one. Possession of, and intent to use, a gun that is only proofed for black powder is a good reason.

'But TAW122, you did not list my country, or give me adequate information.'

Ask away and I will do my best to answer them.

'TAW122, where do I aim?'

See diagram below:

The happy place is the Medulla Oblongata (I like to call it, the Medusa Origin just for the luls) aka the brain stem. Once it is hit and destroyed, death is instantaneous/near instantaneous.

Will a 9mm x 19 Ruger pistol with hollow-point bullets be fatal enough?

 

[leloyon]

Will a 9mm x 19 Ruger pistol with hollow-point bullets be fatal enough?

Will a 9mm x 19 Ruger pistol with hollow-point bullets be fatal enough?

What model?

 

[BlooBerryBanjo3000]

What model?

I don't know. I just found it somewhere in my grandparents' house. Here's what it looks like.

 

[leloyon]

I don't know. I just found it somewhere in my grandparents' house. Here's what it looks like.

Yeah, that'll work. Only reason I ask is because barrel length can effect how effective it is, but that's a good size for a pistol.

 

[L'absent]

I don't know. I just found it somewhere in my grandparents' house. Here's what it looks like.

You are so very lucky my boy. How nice it would be to have that gun in your hands. Achieve happiness only by pulling the trigger.

 

[Forveleth]

why not behind the ear?

You have to hold the gun at a weird angle that is difficult to see/judge because it's on the side of your head (which you can't see). Unless you have one of those multi-angle mirror setups, it's kind of difficult to get it right.

Whereas putting a gun in your mouth already helps to center it on your head. It's low, so aiming at the lower half of your brain is easier. Also, your mouth acts to stabilize the shot so you are less likely to miss when you inevitably flinch when you pull the trigger.

 

[BlooBerryBanjo3000]

You are so very lucky my boy. How nice it would be to have that gun in your hands. Achieve happiness only by pulling the trigger.

I feel so bad for you. I hope you achieve the same luck someday.

Yeah, that'll work. Only reason I ask is because barrel length can effect how effective it is, but that's a good size for a pistol.

Thank you. Also, how exactly should it be positioned in the mouth?

Hello all, I'm thrw_a_way1221221, or you can call me TAW122 if that's easier for you. In this thread, here is all the information in regards to ctb'ing via a gun/firearm.

Everyone who is suggesting or choosing to ctb via 'N' and 'A' and 'H', that's cool. However, this thread is about GUNS (Not biceps) so.

First and foremost. The obvious.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

According to a 1997 study from the University of Harvard, Firearms wield a 82.5% success rate. Where as drugs have a 1.5% SUCCess rate (C what I did there)? Now of course, if you're not American, it's pretty much impossible to get a reliable gun. Although black powder is a thing, and I will get into that, because you know, I think renaissance festival enthusiasts are pretty cool (It's a joke laugh). Okay. Anywho. Let's talk guns.

I think that there has been some misconceptions with guns and reliability.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms/reliability (Over 90%)
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ (90%)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm (Suicide by firearm accounted for like 49% of all American suicides in 2015)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (Only 5% survive a gunshot to the head)

Drugs.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/drug-poisoning-us



5,465 OUT OF 228,366.

'But TAW122 I can get N.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06ttdrug.html

While a totally old article, it still makes valid points and has correctly predicted trends in the United States. N is being manufactured less and less, and the legal demand for it just is not there. So yes. I'm sure they still use it in Mexico and other third world countries. It is also expensive. Are you truly ready for the painstaking and irritating time of finding a dark market, finding a reliable seller, and risking criminal prosecution (such as being intercepted by customs and all that shit)?

'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'

In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.

Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)


Guns beat drugs every day of the week. Sorry guys. When it comes to reliability. This is how it works. Now. Before we get into the joys of muzzle loading and you renaissance festival lovers, we're going to discuss for everyone in North America.

If you live in the US and do not live in California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, or New York, and you have not committed a felony, and have not broken ATF regulations. You can purchase a gun. Congratulations.

plz read the laws and make sure you follow them okay, thanks guise

If you're going to catch the bus with a firearm in the US or Canada, using anything short of a shotgun is not really reliable (unless you are experienced with firearms and know how to shoot it well, where to aim, steady hands, etc).

'But TAW122, I have a .44 revolver/only have access to a handgun.'

If you can afford a shotgun, you should REALLY consider buying one. Plus, I believe in many states long guns (aside from the anti-gun, 2A hating states) are generally easier to come by. I live in NC so I have the opposite problem (NC has a pistol purchase permit law which is a holdover from the Jim Crow era and only serves to inconvenience people to buy handguns).

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

This bad boy costs UNDER $200 (as of current price). This is a fully functional and god-tier shotgun. The coolest part about owning a shotgun is when you cock it. It's just a sexy sound.

'But TAW122, how do I buy a gun from le Internet?'



TL;DR - Your gun is shipped to a nearby guy who has a FFL. He holds the gun. You go to his place. He does the background check. You leave with your firearm.

'But ammo'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081/products_id/60359

This is the only round you need. This is overkill and generally good if you can get it. However, birdshot does work too, and I personally have #4 shot, which will still be sufficient especially at point blank range.

'But TAW122, I am a minor'

Well, you shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. Wait until you are an legal adult (18 in the US), and then move out and/or go and buy one.

'But TAW122, I have never shot one before'




Watch some youtube videos, go to a local range where you live or something.

'But TAW122, I live in a state with harsh gun laws'

Muzzle Loaders and Black Powder. READ EM.

'But TAW122, I am an adult, yet live with my parents'

If you buy the firearm online and have it shipped to your FFL, it should literally take 30 minutes for a background check to be completed. You can be in and out in 30 minutes. EZ PZ.

'But TAW122, I can't do that.'

Muzzle Loaders do not require an FFL. You can have shipped right to your front door.

'But TAW122, black powder/muzzle loading when?'



It is just a bit more complicated, but with enough guides and videos on the Internet, I believe you should be able to figure it out.

'TAW122, plz make a recommendation on a firearm for me'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ons+P1060+Kentucky+Pistol+Percussion+50cal+10

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97060/Mossberg+PATRIOT+20+308+Y+WAL


These are just a few examples (see above).

'But TAW122, you said not to use a handgun nor a rifle'

The first example is not a handgun. It's a hand cannon. There is a difference.

'But TAW122, I live in Europe, I can't buy my guns online'

There are many gun stores in the UK that will allow you purchase REALLY overpriced renaissance festival cosplay equipment. Remember, when you go into the gun store, you're buying it because you're going to be Ollie Cromwell or Henry the 8th or something. Act enthused and passionate.

'But TAW122, I live in East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)'

Gun ownership in Asia, especially in East Asia is very restricted and civilian ownership is pretty much banned.

'But TAW122, I live in Oceania, (Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, Micronesia, etc.)'

Afaik, @stargazer has mentioned that is it very difficult to legally obtain a firearm in those countries.

'But TAW122, in the UK, licenses, licenses, licenses'

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/back-to-black-72074

You must demonstrate a good reason for having one. Possession of, and intent to use, a gun that is only proofed for black powder is a good reason.

'But TAW122, you did not list my country, or give me adequate information.'

Ask away and I will do my best to answer them.

'TAW122, where do I aim?'

See diagram below:

The happy place is the Medulla Oblongata (I like to call it, the Medusa Origin just for the luls) aka the brain stem. Once it is hit and destroyed, death is instantaneous/near instantaneous.

I was just about to ask where to aim, but I don't see the diagram. Are there any diagrams and pictures I can see for correct aim and position?

 

[BlooBerryBanjo3000]

Which way would be more fatal and efficient, shooting in the mouth or in the ear?

 

[leloyon]

I was just about to ask where to aim, but I don't see the diagram. Are there any diagrams and pictures I can see for correct aim and position?