Method Guns/firearms megathread

[iusedtobehappy]

Gimminy Christmas. Well, yeah, .454 Casull would sure get the job done. So would a hand grenade clenched in your teeth...

(For those who are getting lost by Threads and I geeking out, .454 Casull is an insanely powerful revolver round, often used in bear hunting.)

But I can't argue with @Threads: as much as I prefer other calibers, for any number of reasons that are mostly irrelevant here, the bottom line is that you can't go wrong with a .357 revolver.

I found a used 38 Special, probably 15-20 years old. I thought the 38 was powerful? Is 357 more powerful?

 

[lifeisbutadream]

I found a used 38 Special, probably 15-20 years old. I thought the 38 was powerful? Is 357 more powerful?

Yes.

 

[endofline2010]

I found a used 38 Special, probably 15-20 years old. I thought the 38 was powerful? Is 357 more powerful?

38 spl and 357 mag are close to the same size, but 357 is heavier and moves faster. Thus, it is more powerful. If you look at ME (muzzle energy) on the chart, the weakest 357 is 74% more powerful than the most powerful 38 spl.

 

[Savemysoul86]

Hello all, I'm thrw_a_way1221221, or you can call me TAW122 if that's easier for you. In this thread, here is all the information in regards to ctb'ing via a gun/firearm.

Everyone who is suggesting or choosing to ctb via 'N' and 'A' and 'H', that's cool. However, this thread is about GUNS (Not biceps) so.

First and foremost. The obvious.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

According to a 1997 study from the University of Harvard, Firearms wield a 82.5% success rate. Where as drugs have a 1.5% SUCCess rate (C what I did there)? Now of course, if you're not American, it's pretty much impossible to get a reliable gun. Although black powder is a thing, and I will get into that, because you know, I think renaissance festival enthusiasts are pretty cool (It's a joke laugh). Okay. Anywho. Let's talk guns.

I think that there has been some misconceptions with guns and reliability.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms/reliability (Over 90%)
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ (90%)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm (Suicide by firearm accounted for like 49% of all American suicides in 2015)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (Only 5% survive a gunshot to the head)

Drugs.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/drug-poisoning-us



5,465 OUT OF 228,366.

'But TAW122 I can get N.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06ttdrug.html

While a totally old article, it still makes valid points and has correctly predicted trends in the United States. N is being manufactured less and less, and the legal demand for it just is not there. So yes. I'm sure they still use it in Mexico and other third world countries. It is also expensive. Are you truly ready for the painstaking and irritating time of finding a dark market, finding a reliable seller, and risking criminal prosecution (such as being intercepted by customs and all that shit)?

'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'

In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.

Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)


Guns beat drugs every day of the week. Sorry guys. When it comes to reliability. This is how it works. Now. Before we get into the joys of muzzle loading and you renaissance festival lovers, we're going to discuss for everyone in North America.

If you live in the US and do not live in California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, or New York, and you have not committed a felony, and have not broken ATF regulations. You can purchase a gun. Congratulations.

plz read the laws and make sure you follow them okay, thanks guise

If you're going to catch the bus with a firearm in the US or Canada, using anything short of a shotgun is not really reliable (unless you are experienced with firearms and know how to shoot it well, where to aim, steady hands, etc).

'But TAW122, I have a .44 revolver/only have access to a handgun.'

If you can afford a shotgun, you should REALLY consider buying one. Plus, I believe in many states long guns (aside from the anti-gun, 2A hating states) are generally easier to come by. I live in NC so I have the opposite problem (NC has a pistol purchase permit law which is a holdover from the Jim Crow era and only serves to inconvenience people to buy handguns).

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

This bad boy costs UNDER $200 (as of current price). This is a fully functional and god-tier shotgun. The coolest part about owning a shotgun is when you cock it. It's just a sexy sound.

'But TAW122, how do I buy a gun from le Internet?'



TL;DR - Your gun is shipped to a nearby guy who has a FFL. He holds the gun. You go to his place. He does the background check. You leave with your firearm.

'But ammo'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081/products_id/60359

This is the only round you need. This is overkill and generally good if you can get it. However, birdshot does work too, and I personally have #4 shot, which will still be sufficient especially at point blank range.

'But TAW122, I am a minor'

Well, you shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. Wait until you are an legal adult (18 in the US), and then move out and/or go and buy one.

'But TAW122, I have never shot one before'




Watch some youtube videos, go to a local range where you live or something.

'But TAW122, I live in a state with harsh gun laws'

Muzzle Loaders and Black Powder. READ EM.

'But TAW122, I am an adult, yet live with my parents'

If you buy the firearm online and have it shipped to your FFL, it should literally take 30 minutes for a background check to be completed. You can be in and out in 30 minutes. EZ PZ.

'But TAW122, I can't do that.'

Muzzle Loaders do not require an FFL. You can have shipped right to your front door.

'But TAW122, black powder/muzzle loading when?'



It is just a bit more complicated, but with enough guides and videos on the Internet, I believe you should be able to figure it out.

'TAW122, plz make a recommendation on a firearm for me'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ons+P1060+Kentucky+Pistol+Percussion+50cal+10

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97060/Mossberg+PATRIOT+20+308+Y+WAL


These are just a few examples (see above).

'But TAW122, you said not to use a handgun nor a rifle'

The first example is not a handgun. It's a hand cannon. There is a difference.

'But TAW122, I live in Europe, I can't buy my guns online'

There are many gun stores in the UK that will allow you purchase REALLY overpriced renaissance festival cosplay equipment. Remember, when you go into the gun store, you're buying it because you're going to be Ollie Cromwell or Henry the 8th or something. Act enthused and passionate.

'But TAW122, I live in East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)'

Gun ownership in Asia, especially in East Asia is very restricted and civilian ownership is pretty much banned.

'But TAW122, I live in Oceania, (Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, Micronesia, etc.)'

Afaik, @stargazer has mentioned that is it very difficult to legally obtain a firearm in those countries.

'But TAW122, in the UK, licenses, licenses, licenses'

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/back-to-black-72074

You must demonstrate a good reason for having one. Possession of, and intent to use, a gun that is only proofed for black powder is a good reason.

'But TAW122, you did not list my country, or give me adequate information.'

Ask away and I will do my best to answer them.

'TAW122, where do I aim?'

See diagram below:

The happy place is the Medulla Oblongata (I like to call it, the Medusa Origin just for the luls) aka the brain stem. Once it is hit and destroyed, death is instantaneous/near instantaneous.

What if you are a "diagnosed autistic" in the the eyes of the state and are now in an assisted living facility? Is would I be flagged by a background check?

 

[losingsteam3141]

I saw the thread about the poor soul who blew part of his face off due to an attempt with firearm. My method is the same and I am scared that something will go wrong. If I aim in mouth, what angle should I aim for? I am planning maybe like 30 degrees from parallel. It seems better to aim to low than too high? Should I hold the pistol upside down or just turn it around with my thumbs on the trigger? Any other advice/tips to make sure everything goes right?

 

[leloyon]

Tapping the sign.

 

[FrancesFarmer]

That looks mildly disturbing but maybe it's because the bleeding would have been stemmed by swelling around the harpoon itself? It seems like he only survived for a while afterwards because he somehow called 911 himself immediately after the incident. It was interesting to read but sad considering the pain he mustve been in and the lack of closure for the family.

My one worry about using a handgun (over a shotgun or rifle even) is that I've heard the brain can swell immediately after being penetrated to prevent blood loss, even closing up the bullet path. I've known that in rare instances people shot in the head can survive without receiving medical care for hours, but I don't have a good idea of the odds of dying if left alone for a few hours from a .357 with hollowpoints, after missing the brainstem and shooting through other mid-back parts of the brain (for example)...

 

[lalaland16]

Hello everyone!
I'm planning to ctb using a firearm and had some questions. Would appreciate any feedback! Thank you.
1.*** Is it best to shoot behind your ear or above your ear in order to hit the brain stem? I've heard both but this is obviously something that needs complete precision so I need to know where to fire.
2. I've gathered from the helpful thread that hollow point is the ammo I should choose. I want to use a handgun, even though I know that has drawbacks compared to using a shotgun. But I'm more comfortable with the idea of a handgun. Anyways, which type of gun should I buy considering I've never held one before, will be shooting from the side of my head, and most importantly, want the best chance of it be fool proof for me.
3. Lastly, will I be fine when it comes to shooting, as in- do you believe shooting practice is necessary or that it's just self explanatory(especially since it's just aimed right on your head)?
Thank you!!

 

[Marco77]

Now I should buy a weapon that gives me sufficient guarantee of death. I can't take a rifle, but I can take a pistol. Which one do you recommend? Where should I aim? Thank you

 

[Gangrel]

A 1960 remington 870 wingmaster is safe to shoot 375 fps buckshot?

 

[Gangrel]

Can someone point me to where to aim? the original diagram from the first post disappeared...i don't know how to aim at all and it's scary to miss

to be specific, should i put the revolver inside my mouth and what exactly does upwards mean? How much upwards? Up through my mouth or just slightly up?

 

[Life is overrated]

Aiming upwards to the brain stem is what they are implying. There's a zero percent chance anyone would survive getting shot in that area

 

[senti-mental]

how much less effective would a shotgun to the chest be vs head? i dont care about the blood im just vain and would rather have a hole in my chest than my face completely gone when the neighbors call the cops and they find me, but idk much about this method, just have access to the means.

according to lostallhope shotgun to the head is 99% effective and to the chest is 96% but i dont know how they got those numbers, if anyone who knows more about guns can give me info id appreciate it

edit: and do you think it would be feasible, in the event a shot to the chest fails, for me to pick the thing back up and try again in that state? for some reason the idea of blowing a hole in my chest is far less disturbing to visualize than my face off, probably because i saw the video of that guy ctb via shotgun to the face. pointing it at my chest makes me feel far less hesistation than at my head.

 

[eeah]

how much less effective would a shotgun to the chest be vs head? i dont care about the blood im just vain and would rather have a hole in my chest than my face completely gone when the neighbors call the cops and they find me, but idk much about this method, just have access to the means.

according to lostallhope shotgun to the head is 99% effective and to the chest is 96% but i dont know how they got those numbers, if anyone who knows more about guns can give me info id appreciate it

edit: and do you think it would be feasible, in the event a shot to the chest fails, for me to pick the thing back up and try again in that state? for some reason the idea of blowing a hole in my chest is far less disturbing to visualize than my face off, probably because i saw the video of that guy ctb via shotgun to the face. pointing it at my chest makes me feel far less hesistation than at my head.

I think the more relevant statistic would be time to lose consciousness right? the appeal of aiming for the head is to instantly sever your brain stem and die before you can feel pain. but in the chest there's a solid chance you'd slowly bleed out instead. not sure how long it takes. I'd imagine provided you are somewhere you can't get help within 10 minutes or so you'd almost certainly die.

 

[JackisSuffering]

Hello all, I'm thrw_a_way1221221, or you can call me TAW122 if that's easier for you. In this thread, here is all the information in regards to ctb'ing via a gun/firearm.

Everyone who is suggesting or choosing to ctb via 'N' and 'A' and 'H', that's cool. However, this thread is about GUNS (Not biceps) so.

First and foremost. The obvious.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

According to a 1997 study from the University of Harvard, Firearms wield a 82.5% success rate. Where as drugs have a 1.5% SUCCess rate (C what I did there)? Now of course, if you're not American, it's pretty much impossible to get a reliable gun. Although black powder is a thing, and I will get into that, because you know, I think renaissance festival enthusiasts are pretty cool (It's a joke laugh). Okay. Anywho. Let's talk guns.

I think that there has been some misconceptions with guns and reliability.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms/reliability (Over 90%)
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ (90%)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm (Suicide by firearm accounted for like 49% of all American suicides in 2015)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (Only 5% survive a gunshot to the head)

Drugs.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/drug-poisoning-us



5,465 OUT OF 228,366.

'But TAW122 I can get N.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06ttdrug.html

While a totally old article, it still makes valid points and has correctly predicted trends in the United States. N is being manufactured less and less, and the legal demand for it just is not there. So yes. I'm sure they still use it in Mexico and other third world countries. It is also expensive. Are you truly ready for the painstaking and irritating time of finding a dark market, finding a reliable seller, and risking criminal prosecution (such as being intercepted by customs and all that shit)?

'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'

In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.

Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)


Guns beat drugs every day of the week. Sorry guys. When it comes to reliability. This is how it works. Now. Before we get into the joys of muzzle loading and you renaissance festival lovers, we're going to discuss for everyone in North America.

If you live in the US and do not live in California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, or New York, and you have not committed a felony, and have not broken ATF regulations. You can purchase a gun. Congratulations.

plz read the laws and make sure you follow them okay, thanks guise

If you're going to catch the bus with a firearm in the US or Canada, using anything short of a shotgun is not really reliable (unless you are experienced with firearms and know how to shoot it well, where to aim, steady hands, etc).

'But TAW122, I have a .44 revolver/only have access to a handgun.'

If you can afford a shotgun, you should REALLY consider buying one. Plus, I believe in many states long guns (aside from the anti-gun, 2A hating states) are generally easier to come by. I live in NC so I have the opposite problem (NC has a pistol purchase permit law which is a holdover from the Jim Crow era and only serves to inconvenience people to buy handguns).

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

This bad boy costs UNDER $200 (as of current price). This is a fully functional and god-tier shotgun. The coolest part about owning a shotgun is when you cock it. It's just a sexy sound.

'But TAW122, how do I buy a gun from le Internet?'



TL;DR - Your gun is shipped to a nearby guy who has a FFL. He holds the gun. You go to his place. He does the background check. You leave with your firearm.

'But ammo'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081/products_id/60359

This is the only round you need. This is overkill and generally good if you can get it. However, birdshot does work too, and I personally have #4 shot, which will still be sufficient especially at point blank range.

'But TAW122, I am a minor'

Well, you shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. Wait until you are an legal adult (18 in the US), and then move out and/or go and buy one.

'But TAW122, I have never shot one before'




Watch some youtube videos, go to a local range where you live or something.

'But TAW122, I live in a state with harsh gun laws'

Muzzle Loaders and Black Powder. READ EM.

'But TAW122, I am an adult, yet live with my parents'

If you buy the firearm online and have it shipped to your FFL, it should literally take 30 minutes for a background check to be completed. You can be in and out in 30 minutes. EZ PZ.

'But TAW122, I can't do that.'

Muzzle Loaders do not require an FFL. You can have shipped right to your front door.

'But TAW122, black powder/muzzle loading when?'



It is just a bit more complicated, but with enough guides and videos on the Internet, I believe you should be able to figure it out.

'TAW122, plz make a recommendation on a firearm for me'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ons+P1060+Kentucky+Pistol+Percussion+50cal+10

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97060/Mossberg+PATRIOT+20+308+Y+WAL


These are just a few examples (see above).

'But TAW122, you said not to use a handgun nor a rifle'

The first example is not a handgun. It's a hand cannon. There is a difference.

'But TAW122, I live in Europe, I can't buy my guns online'

There are many gun stores in the UK that will allow you purchase REALLY overpriced renaissance festival cosplay equipment. Remember, when you go into the gun store, you're buying it because you're going to be Ollie Cromwell or Henry the 8th or something. Act enthused and passionate.

'But TAW122, I live in East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)'

Gun ownership in Asia, especially in East Asia is very restricted and civilian ownership is pretty much banned.

'But TAW122, I live in Oceania, (Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, Micronesia, etc.)'

Afaik, @stargazer has mentioned that is it very difficult to legally obtain a firearm in those countries.

'But TAW122, in the UK, licenses, licenses, licenses'

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/back-to-black-72074

You must demonstrate a good reason for having one. Possession of, and intent to use, a gun that is only proofed for black powder is a good reason.

'But TAW122, you did not list my country, or give me adequate information.'

Ask away and I will do my best to answer them.

'TAW122, where do I aim?'

See diagram below:

The happy place is the Medulla Oblongata (I like to call it, the Medusa Origin just for the luls) aka the brain stem. Once it is hit and destroyed, death is instantaneous/near instantaneous.

Cant.see the diagram image and I live in north west India..could I, how could I acquire a pistol and pistol should work..?

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

If I'm serious, I'll buy the gun. It's instantaneous. The button that ends your life. I have no previous attempts or involuntary holds. I survive hanging or CO or inert gas? Can't buy a gun. So many on this forum envy me for being in a country where I can just buy a gun. I need to do it. It's unwise to attempt other methods before that 12ga shotgun is under my bed.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

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38 spl and 357 mag are close to the same size, but 357 is heavier and moves faster. Thus, it is more powerful. If you look at ME (muzzle energy) on the chart, the weakest 357 is 74% more powerful than the most powerful 38 spl.

The difference in power is stunning from hand guns to rifles . Ill be using a 300 or 338 win mag around 2900 fps 4000 ftlbs muzzle energy

 

[endofline2010]

The difference in power is stunning from hand guns to rifles . Ill be using a 300 or 338 win mag around 2900 fps 4000 ftlbs muzzle energy

I'm curious what barrel length they're using for that chart. Regardless, you're spot-on. Long guns are basically a magnitude of order more powerful than handguns. If I were using a firearm, I would use my .308 AR10 and aim right at the heart. Remember, trauma to the heart is generally more lethal than the brain. For example, lobotomies basically impaled the brain with an ice pick, and most people survived. Stabbing a heart with the same instrument would often be fatal (probably not instantly).

 

[kudaphillips]

Been a while since I scanned this thread , just want to check the current consensus on ammo and on my gun of choice

AR style 12 gauge , double aught Remington buckshot 9 pellet. Standard, I think 1350 fps

Will aim in mouth at brain stem
Sitting position , butt of gun braced on ground

Very short barrel easy to position .

This is solid and acceptable right ?

 

[spanisiva87]

I would be afraid surviving this even while there is 5% chance, which is a lot and 9mm is not that large bullet! I could shoot myself to chest first and then to the head, but i could go to shock or something and unable to finish the job. Problem is how do you make sure you are going to die no matter what so you can then shoot yourself to the head?! This worries me a lot!!! I need 100% lethality so there is 0% chance i will survive that scares me the most!

Damn we are really in hell even death by firearm is this difficult, behind ear it is harder to aim and i am clumsy i could easily miss or twitch or something and into mouth can also be problem. I need safety even if i survived i would die relatively quickly after!

Yeah what others say mouth shot is harder and brainstem is small 9mm is not that good and aiming in front of mirror when you need right angle - what could go wrong?! Fuck it is hard! It is like this reality wants us to suffer to the last second! How long if you miss brain stem it could like take - i have chronic pain it is hard to even read for me, please someone tell! I have 0 idea where to find this stuff, i cannot even unzip folder downloaded from this site on TAILS, i am almost braid dead already and i have problems with simplest things, but you cannot rush this, it is hell!!!

 

[cityoftroy]

I want to get an AK-47 out of interest someday, but I want to ask whether it's good for a shot in the head? I don't mean setting it to full auto since that's overkill but I want to know about the range. If it doesn't work I'll get a 9mm pistol instead.

 

[Flippintogo]

Been a while since I scanned this thread , just want to check the current consensus on ammo and on my gun of choice

AR style 12 gauge , double aught Remington buckshot 9 pellet. Standard, I think 1350 fps

Will aim in mouth at brain stem
Sitting position , butt of gun braced on ground

Very short barrel easy to position .

This is solid and acceptable right ?

Solid. I wish I had a shotgun. Seems more straightforward. I'll be using a Paraordinance 45 ACP with hollow points when the time comes. I just can't get over having to put it in my mouth. I also can't decide on where to do it. If at home, I don't want to put my wife through the trauma of finding me with my head blown off. This is way too difficult. Good luck in whatever you decide.

 

[Life is overrated]

I want to get an AK-47 out of interest someday, but I want to ask whether it's good for a shot in the head? I don't mean setting it to full auto since that's overkill but I want to know about the range. If it doesn't work I'll get a 9mm pistol instead.

9mm is risky

 

[leloyon]

I want to get an AK-47 out of interest someday, but I want to ask whether it's good for a shot in the head? I don't mean setting it to full auto since that's overkill but I want to know about the range. If it doesn't work I'll get a 9mm pistol instead.

Good taste in weapons. Rifle calibers are powerful, but such a large weapon is rather unwieldy, if you're gonna go with something that large a shotgun would be better.

9mm is risky

I'm getting rather sick of the fearmongering on this thread. 9mm is fine comrade. Just use JHP and aim it not like a moron.
A pistol shot to the head still has over 90% success rate and most people only fail because they put the gun underneath their chin and aim away from themselves. Even if - hypothetically, you were to miss the medula oblongata, you will be most likely knocked out cold with a big hole in your head.

 

[Steve Vermont]

Could one just build a one shot, one use shotgun?

 

[Wanting yet Unable]

A question about the gun suggested by the op: the Maverick 88 Security 12 GA 18.5"

Is the barrel of the gun too short? I feel like I wouldn't be able to stick it far enough into my mouth before being stopped by the...lower barrel? Forearm? Tubular magazine?

Sorry, I don't know much about gun anatomy and google images is giving conflicting info-graphics.

So yea my question is, is it long enough or would a shotgun with a longer barrel be better? Apologies if this question was already answered in this thread but I went through all 45 pages and didn't see anything regarding this.



Also do I want to jam it as far back into my mouth as possible or just barely enough to reach the soft pallet?

 

[leloyon]

Could one just build a one shot, one use shotgun?

Yes, you can, the slam-fire shotgun. "The Four Winds Shotgun" by Kurt Saxon is probably the best writeup on it.