Getting N from A. Things everyone should know.

[jgm63]

I don't know..............:( :,( That's why I asked for people's advice & opinion.

Only you can weigh the various risks. It also depends on how tight your budget constraints are, eg if you ordered but ending up getting nothing, would that be a devastating blow, etc.
It also depends on how quickly you intend to use it, due to the possible shelf life concerns.
It's a difficult decision that only you can make.
Keep in mind that SN is also a perfectly viable method that many people have used.
But anyhow, you have to make your own decisions, nobody can do that for you.

Note : As always, please note that I strongly encourage you to seek help with whatever is troubling you. With the right help things can improve. There are many sources of help if you look and reach out. Please seek assistance in any and every way possible. You alone must decide upon your actions and take full responsibility for them, and you should always favour seeking help and keeping out of harm's way.

 

[Mud.]

Ok then, so I should wait till the test results come back then?

Yes. Absolutely. 100%.

btw
All praise to Ark for taking so much trouble to keep us all informed.

Only you can weigh the various risks.

I strongly disagree.
I think at this point, it's pretty clear that something is completely off with A.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

Only you can weigh the various risks. It also depends on how tight your budget constraints are, eg if you ordered but ending up getting nothing, would that be a devastating blow, etc.
It also depends on how quickly you intend to use it, due to the possible shelf life concerns.
It's a difficult decision that only you can make.
Keep in mind that SN is also a perfectly viable method that many people have used.
But anyhow, you have to make your own decisions, nobody can do that for you.

Note : As always, please note that I strongly encourage you to seek help with whatever is troubling you. With the right help things can improve. There are many sources of help if you look and reach out. Please seek assistance in any and every way possible. You alone must decide upon your actions and take full responsibility for them, and you should always favour seeking help and keeping out of harm's way.

Well i don't know tbh, too many people are getting scammed from him or not getting what they thought they were going to get etc. My budget is not really too much of an issue. I haven't ordered anything but I get what you mean. I intend to use it shortly after Christmas. Yes I know it is very difficult & yes I've heard about SN but is it as peaceful & painless? Yes I know I have to make the decision.

Thanks for your advice but unfortunately there is nothing that can help me unless I was to get a new brain & a new body. Sadly things won't improve for me. I wish they would but they won't. There's not many sources of help for what I'm suffering with now. Yes I know I must decide & take responsibility for my actions. I would favour seeking help over ctb if I thought & knew there was help for me but unfortunately there isant.

Are you not planning to ctb yourself? That's why you are on this forum site are you not?

 

[jgm63]

Well i don't know tbh, too many people are getting scammed from him or not getting what they thought they were going to get etc. My budget is not really too much of an issue. I haven't ordered anything but I get what you mean. I intend to use it shortly after Christmas. Yes I know it is very difficult & yes I've heard about SN but is it as peaceful & painless? Yes I know I have to make the decision.

Thanks for your advice but unfortunately there is nothing that can help me unless I was to get a new brain & a new body. Sadly things won't improve for me. I wish they would but they won't. There's not many sources of help for what I'm suffering with now. Yes I know I must decide & take responsibility for my actions. I would favour seeking help over ctb if I thought & knew there was help for me but unfortunately there isant.

Are you not planning to ctb yourself? That's why you are on this forum site are you not?

The comment is a disclaimer, since I don't want to be seen to be telling people what to do, as that could be a legal issue.
So I try to give advice that may be helpful, but I remind people that I'm not telling them what to do or encouraging them.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

The comment is a disclaimer, since I don't want to be seen to be telling people what to do, as that could be a legal issue.
So I try to give advice that may be helpful, but I remind people that I'm not telling them what to do or encouraging them.

Ok then.

 

[jgm63]

Yes. Absolutely. 100%.

btw
All praise to Ark for taking so much trouble to keep us all informed.


I strongly disagree.
I think at this point, it's pretty clear that something is completely off with A.

Since we never know what is around the corner, if she waits to order then she may not end up getting anything at all.
My main point is that she has the information available, and she can make the decision for herself, that's all I'm really trying to say...
But if she's not willing to do that and wants to be told what to do then your answer is probably a reasonable way to go.

Well i don't know tbh, too many people are getting scammed from him or not getting what they thought they were going to get etc. My budget is not really too much of an issue. I haven't ordered anything but I get what you mean. I intend to use it shortly after Christmas. Yes I know it is very difficult & yes I've heard about SN but is it as peaceful & painless? Yes I know I have to make the decision.

Thanks for your advice but unfortunately there is nothing that can help me unless I was to get a new brain & a new body. Sadly things won't improve for me. I wish they would but they won't. There's not many sources of help for what I'm suffering with now. Yes I know I must decide & take responsibility for my actions. I would favour seeking help over ctb if I thought & knew there was help for me but unfortunately there isant.

Are you not planning to ctb yourself? That's why you are on this forum site are you not?

N is a better method than SN, but as you are discovering, obtaining N is a difficult process.
With the SN method, I believe there will likely be some discomfort, but I don't believe the discomfort level is too high.
I believe you would go unconscious after about 10 to 15 minutes.
However, I can only state what I believe to be true, based on things I have read and things that have been posted by others. I cannot give guarantees.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

Since we never know what is around the corner, if she waits to order then she may not end up getting anything at all.
My main point is that she has the information available, and she can make the decision for herself, that's all I'm really trying to say...
But if she's not willing to do that and wants to be told what to do then your answer is probably a reasonable way to go.

Its not that I'm not willing to make the decision for myself. :( :,( Will people stop saying that. I'm really not well & find all of this hard. I just want people's help that is all & that's one of things this site is for. I'm new to this ok. I just want to be sure it's ok to order from him or not, I've already been scammed once by someone on this site claiming to sell the stuff.

 

[jgm63]

Its not that I'm not willing to make the decision for myself. :( :,( Will people stop saying that. I'm really not well & find all of this hard. I just want people's help that is all & that's one of things this site is for. I'm new to this ok. I just want to be sure it's ok to order from him or not, I've already been scammed once by someone on this site claiming to sell the stuff.

Sure, it's not easy.
We're trying to support you as best we can....

 

[NextBusLeaving]

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Ok so what should I do? Should I order from this person?

I would wait but thats just me

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

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I would wait but thats just me

Ok wait for the results from the test?

 

[Ark]

Member 3 received their second bottle. And it was as it should be. 100ml sealed glass bottle.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

Member 3 received their second bottle. And it was as it should be. 100ml sealed glass bottle.

Ok that's good. Does that mean it's ok to order from A now?

 

[ViroMajor]

I can't help but wonder if they busted A and maybe a colleague has taken over the operation.

This recent article casts doubt.

Spanish police investigate online purchases of euthanasia drug from US

Some seriously ill patients who managed to get hold of pentobarbital are now part of an international probe into the sale of a sedative that can be lethal in high doses

elpais.com

It mentions raid happenings in Spain after those in France and quotes :
"drug from US" (title) ?!
"According to information provided at the time by the French authorities, the US initiated the investigations after arresting a person who was selling the medicine on the internet. Officers seized lists with the personal data of buyers, which made it possible to locate them"
"The people under investigation are those who purchased the drug from the provider (who is now in custody)"

Assuming it doesn't report multiple sellers, if these statements aren't journalistic approximations or some kind of twisted propaganda, it may indeed imply the source has weakened, plus eventually that some hands shifted, at the very least. It highlights some complexity, and therefore suspicion

 

[GinaIsReady]

I don't know what's going on right now. but maybe someone is doing something to the sources mentioned in this website. a source for SN that was talked about recently unlisted most of their products on the market website and another source for meto also disappeared. it's kinda scary.

Maybe these sources are uncomfortable with the public attention and are trying to maintain a lower profile.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

This recent article casts doubt.

Spanish police investigate online purchases of euthanasia drug from US

Some seriously ill patients who managed to get hold of pentobarbital are now part of an international probe into the sale of a sedative that can be lethal in high doses

elpais.com

It mentions raid happenings in Spain after those in France and quotes :
"drug from US" (title) ?!
"According to information provided at the time by the French authorities, the US initiated the investigations after arresting a person who was selling the medicine on the internet. Officers seized lists with the personal data of buyers, which made it possible to locate them"
"The people under investigation are those who purchased the drug from the provider (who is now in custody)"

Assuming it doesn't report multiple sellers, if these statements aren't journalistic approximations or some kind of twisted propaganda, it may indeed imply the source has weakened, plus eventually that some hands shifted, at the very least. It highlights some complexity, and therefore suspicion

This is the article I was talking about. It really made me wonder.

 

[Kifa]

Member 3 received their second bottle. And it was as it should be. 100ml sealed glass bottle.

how do i pm you?

 

[Ark]

You have to have 5 posts and be a member of the forum 24 hours.

 

[jgm63]

Ok that's good. Does that mean it's ok to order from A now?

It means that there's a lot of variation taking place, and it's hard to really know what is going on at the moment...
You pretty much have access to the same information that we do now.
We are not necessarily in a better position to advise you than you would be in by trying to weigh things up for yourself....

The general opinion seems to be that perhaps it might be an idea to wait, to see what the lab testing results are for the plastic bottle cases.

But ultimately you have to try to weigh up all the factors for yourself, and decide for yourself.

 

[Berlin76]

The mess thats happening now is the same as in oktober 2018 when A was in hospital and his partner took over for the periode. Its the same messed up working method.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Actually, I want to share the experience of another person who ordered from A, because their experience seems to match up with the information that was collected in this thread. So, I know a person from Switzerland, outside from this forum, who also ordered a few weeks ago. They told me they ordered back in October. And it's exactly as some of you described, basically no communication, asking for a phone number, no tracking number was provided and it was handled completely differently compared to my case back in 2018. They never received their product (8 weeks passed) but there were no signs from the police either. So it's either seized and the police doesn't give a damn, which I really doubt, or the product never left the country. This, combined with the experience of other members, is alerting and I thought it might be helpful if I share this with the forum.

 

[Berlin76]

Actually, I want to share the experience of another person who ordered from A, because their experience seems to match up with the information that was collected in this thread. So, I know a person from Switzerland, outside from this forum, who also ordered a few weeks ago. They told me they ordered back in October. And it's exactly as some of you described, basically no communication, asking for a phone number, no tracking number was provided and it was handled completely differently compared to my case back in 2018. They never received their product (8 weeks passed) but there were no signs from the police either. So it's either seized and the police doesn't give a damn, which I really doubt, or the product never left the country. This, combined with the experience of other members, is alerting and I thought it might be helpful if I share this with the forum.

I want to add to this.

Bob who shortly lived with his supplies also started asking for phone numbers short before he disappeared. And people also got raided at that moment.

Thats why i say to much info on dealers and shipments is given out in the open for police to intercept.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

I want to add to this.

Bob who shortly lived with his supplies also started asking for phone numbers short before he disappeared. And people also got raided at that moment.

Thats why i say to much info on dealers and shipments is given out in the open for police to intercept.

Its just really weird because I ordered my second bottle pretty much at the same time as some of these guys and was never asked for a phone number. Even after he accidentally sent one bottle and I had to order the second

 

[Berlin76]

Its just really weird because I ordered my second bottle pretty much at the same time as some of these guys and was never asked for a phone number. Even after he accidentally sent one bottle and I had to order the second

Yeah its weird.
Same with bob not all.
Some people told me he suddenly ask for phone number. That wasn't so in the beginning[/QUOTE]

 

[Soul]

Do I recall right that some of A's customers got their deliveries from an address outside A's home country? Back in the day, I mean, before all the raids and paranoia. If that's right, maybe the intermediary has changed (that person was I think blamed by some for leaking customer information to the police) and the new one is less careful about rebottling etc.?

Wishful thinking. 8[

 

[Soul]

I realize this is now pretty much common knowledge as it was so publicly discussed on this forum, but it seems like this type of info leakage is a contributor to the problem

Can you explain how "leaking" common knowledge contributes to whatever "the problem" is? Not meant confrontationally - I genuinely want to learn. And I've edited my post as well.

 

[Berlin76]

Can you explain how "leaking" common knowledge contributes to whatever "the problem" is? Not meant confrontationally - I genuinely want to learn. And I've edited my post as well.

@Shakespear's Brother
Not common knowledge.
Because discussing the sender location is something A not want out in the open.
Thats also why he said destroy the box and trow away bottles before your attempt.

People here and on exit forum dont take that in account that info like that is incriminating for him and his operation. Just like every small detail of everything.

 

[Berlin76]

By info leakage, I was referring to the fact that the shipping point a specific geographic location was ever mentioned to begin with. The extensive discussion of methods of disguise of the product. Etc.

The problem is, the authorities monitor this public forum and glean info from it that powers their investigations.

I was not necessarily referring to the geographic location you mentioned, that info has no doubt already been exploited by law enforcement, although, frankly, continued discussion of it will give other inexperienced users of this forum implicit permission that such details are okay to reveal publicly.


That was my point. It's common knowledge now, because so many people on this forum chose to blabber about it.

Yes brother people blabber about every small detail and think ow common knowledge or just to impulsive with talking about everything. Thats what also leads to this situation he got to much exposure here.

 

[Ark]

My question is this. Couldn't a LEO just make a proton account, email A, order from him, get the shipment, then BAM, have every single one of those questions answered definitively? Instead of spending who knows how many man hours and effort chasing down hundreds of posts?

I am sorry but I can't help but think the first scenario seems much more likely.

 

[SerenitySeeker]

At this point continuously pointing out what is being exposed about information that has been out in various news articles for months and is pretty much common knowledge at this point is pointless.

I get the sentiment of what you both are saying, but that ship has sailed with everything that has happened within the last 6 months, more than likely way before that. N being distributed through the mail system by various suppliers has been happening since the 90's (probably before that) and however LE compiled their information, the point is they have it. Someone asking a question about information that has already been printed in national news articles and acted upon isn't going to aid anyone in anything.

 

[Berlin76]

My question is this. Couldn't a LEO just make a proton account, email A, order from him, get the shipment, then BAM, have every single one of those questions answered definitively? Instead of spending who knows how many man hours and effort chasing down hundreds of posts?

I am sorry but I can't help but think the first scenario seems much more likely.

Duhhh

but the point is people's destroy their own and each other options here by blabbering everything in the open.
And people also talk outside the site who knows who you are talking to.
And so info is gathered and thats how people get raided.