Getting N from A. Things everyone should know.

[chris8000]

I don't know what's going on right now. but maybe someone is doing something to the sources mentioned in this website. a source for SN that was talked about recently unlisted most of their products on the market website and another source for meto also disappeared. it's kinda scary.

I think the SN part of that is probably due to the Xmas holidays.

 

[jgm63]

From my point of view, it's simple. If you don't want to be accused of being a scammer. Don't give out sources! It may seem harsh but tough! Members need to take charge of their own destiny, do their own research on sources and methods. Make their own decisions. Isn't that what this forum is about?

Well of course I can only state my personal opinion, which is :

A primary function of this forum is for us to help each other.

If someone wants to find something, and someone knows where that something can be located, then it should be possible for that exchange of information to take place, via PM only.

But certainly we should place HUGE warning signs in as many places as possible, to make people aware that there's a high percentage chance of any new sources being a scam. Those warnings should include a statement such as "DON'T SPEND WHAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE". We can also have checklists of things that are scam red flags.
Such warnings and checklists should be posted onto any thread that hints at a possible source.
People will therefore have to decide what risk level they are willing to take.
I believe it's correct to label things as "HIGH CHANCE OF BEING A SCAM", or even "VERY HIGH CHANCE", depending on the red flags present.
Those labels should be sufficient to make people pause and think.
I don't agree with labelling things as "Definitely a scam", unless the red flags are truly overwhelming of course.

 

[Idorus]

I find this to be a sweeping statement and a bit simplistic, but everyone is entitled to their viewpoint of course...

Thoroughly experienced scam history on this board doesn´t leave room for complexity.

 

[jgm63]

Thoroughly experienced scam history on this board doesn´t leave room for complexity.

Well I'm suggesting doing as much as possible to raise awareness, but just not to the point where we completely shut down the possibility that there could ever be a new source of anything....

 

[BPD_LE]

A primary function of this forum is for us to help each other.

You can help without spoon feeding.

If someone wants to find something, and someone knows where that something can be located, then it should be possible for that exchange of information to take place, via PM only.

That's how scammers work, so you shouldn't be surprised when you're treated with suspicion.

 

[RainAndSadness]

What the hell is A doing? This is extremely disappointing. I bought my N back in June 2018. Back when A was considered a truly reliable source for this product. I know several members who ordered and received the product back in Summer/Fall 2018. I received 2 bottles of 100ml Nembutal in my order. Everything was fine, delivery was exactly 2 weeks and it passed the customs in a heartbeat. My product is still fine. It's a clear substance and it's sealed. All this is very concerning and I can't recommend this vendor under any circumstances anymore. I would officially de-endorse him. I take my endorsement back under these circumstances. What I said back in 2018 apparently doesn't seem to line up with his work anymore. Something happened for sure and I kinda doubt it's even the same person at this point. A seemed very professional back when I emailed him and he responded to my emails frequently. It seems, this isn't the case anymore. I don't know, but ever since the raids happened, back in early 2019, something changed drastically.

Good thing I'm currently saving up for some N powder from Empire. We should find alternatives to A, considering he went rogue.

 

[jgm63]

You can help without spoon feeding.


That's how scammers work, so you shouldn't be surprised when you're treated with suspicion.

Yes. It's a complex and tricky area.
Some scammers are very clever, and it's not always possible to discern who is a scammer or who isn't (eg @Rachel74).
But to protect people 100% also means you can't have any new sources of anything.
That might be similar to saying we should close all roads since there are sometimes car accidents.
My view is that a healthier balance can be found, where we highlight risks at every opportunity, but we don't just completely shut down the possibility of there being a new source for anything.

Anyhow, it's just my view. I'm not suggesting anyone should agree with me unless they choose to.

 

[PetiteAngel]

This is very helpful. Thank You @Ark

 

[Naki]

For me this is way too fishy. Sending a person who is thousands of kilometers away, someone you know nothingabout, a large amount of money purely on a trust basis is a red flag for me. Don't forget, this isn't a company or Amazon. There were users who got their product, but apparently an equal amount didn't.

 

[Hunter100]

How much are people paying now for N?

 

[Berlin76]

How much are people paying now for N?

850

 

[DepressionsAHo]

850

You should say it depends on the country. I didn't pay that

 

[aramir]

What the hell is A doing? This is extremely disappointing. I bought my N back in June 2018. Back when A was considered a truly reliable source for this product. I know several members who ordered and received the product back in Summer/Fall 2018. I received 2 bottles of 100ml Nembutal in my order. Everything was fine, delivery was exactly 2 weeks and it passed the customs in a heartbeat. My product is still fine. It's a clear substance and it's sealed. All this is very concerning and I can't recommend this vendor under any circumstances anymore. I would officially de-endorse him. I take my endorsement back under these circumstances. What I said back in 2018 apparently doesn't seem to line up with his work anymore. Something happened for sure and I kinda doubt it's even the same person at this point. A seemed very professional back when I emailed him and he responded to my emails frequently. It seems, this isn't the case anymore. I don't know, but ever since the raids happened, back in early 2019, something changed drastically.

Good thing I'm currently saving up for some N powder from Empire. We should find alternatives to A, considering he went rogue.

maybe I'm a bit ignorant . can someone explain what RainAndSadness is referring to when she mentioned raids ? was A's supply seized or was he jailed or something ?

 

[Berlin76]

maybe I'm a bit ignorant . can someone explain what RainAndSadness is referring to when she mentioned raids ? was A's supply seized or was he jailed or something ?

Since june police raided people's homes because they ordered. All where from this site and also exit international forrum.
So because people talk about every little detail of shipment and packaging police have a easy task connecting the dots

maybe I'm a bit ignorant . can someone explain what RainAndSadness is referring to when she mentioned raids ? was A's supply seized or was he jailed or something ?

Since june police raided people's homes because they ordered. All where from this site and also exit international forrum.
So because people talk about every little detail of shipment and packaging police have a easy task connecting the dots from ip adresses here to btc accounts verified with ID. So that's whats happening still

 

[dstryr]

Ark, thank you for taking the time to research and share this.

I was affected by the July raids. I hadn't given up trying to re-purchase from N and was getting ready for another try in November. Reading through the more recent posts was really worrying though. People being asked for phone numbers, some being replied to and others ignored, etc. So a few weeks ago I ended up emailing A from three different accounts as below:

First account: I mentioned the above (having received but having it taken away in police raid). A did not reply even with the standard first email.

Second account: I asked if he shipped to my general area in first email. I get the standard reply. In my second email to him I mention knowing that people in my country have been raided and if it is plausibly safe to order. No further replies.

Third account: I mention nothing of the above and act as a fresh customer. A replies to all further emails.

Everything we're hearing now is shattering and very strange behavior on A's part. Just want to leave this here as extra info.

 

[Ark]

Thank you, I appreciate it. All info is important pertaining to all of this.

I am going through a lot more info as it comes in. I am doing my best to go through it all and will update when I can. Today and tomorrow are going to be especially tough on me though.

 

[SerenitySeeker]

Thanks for making this post Ark. It's incredibly important that this information is gathered and distributed. I hope that for the sake of the orders that were mentioned that the results are on the up and up and that people who haven't ordered yet use this to make an informed decision. I think it's safe to say things are not operating as smoothly as once before and people need to know that.

 

[Gamja]

Ark, thank you for taking the time to research and share this.

I was affected by the July raids. I hadn't given up trying to re-purchase from N and was getting ready for another try in November. Reading through the more recent posts was really worrying though. People being asked for phone numbers, some being replied to and others ignored, etc. So a few weeks ago I ended up emailing A from three different accounts as below:

First account: I mentioned the above (having received but having it taken away in police raid). A did not reply even with the standard first email.

Second account: I asked if he shipped to my general area in first email. I get the standard reply. In my second email to him I mention knowing that people in my country have been raided and if it is plausibly safe to order. No further replies.

Third account: I mention nothing of the above and act as a fresh customer. A replies to all further emails.

Everything we're hearing now is shattering and very strange behavior on A's part. Just want to leave this here as extra info.

can confirm consistency with the first 2. I did the same approach for my case, creating new email addresses. The third I haven't done because I've exhausted all my funds at my first purchase and unsuccessful delivery/none at all
I think A has gotten paranoid (understandably) He's been doing business for quite a long time and is most likely aware that he's the only source for now...

 

[Soul]

I think A has gotten paranoid (understandably) He's been doing business for quite a long time and is most likely aware that he's the only source for now...

After those raids it is indeed natural for him to be paranoid, but I don't see how sending leaking bottles and impure product would feel safer to him. Rebottling maybe, but ... ??? He's been the only source for several years so he would have no reason to shoot himself in the foot by getting all erratic.

Maybe he's been taken over and is doing his best to signal that it's no longer him.

I look forward to hearing about the test results. I'm not in the market for N, but the good Ark's investigation is very intriguing.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

I really need N though and don't currently have an e.o.l clinic as an option. Please tell me it's definitely not worth buying from A?

 

[Brick In The Wall]

There were some major raids involved with N a few weeks back. There was even a thread posted about it somewhere on here. Foreign authorities had busted a few recipients and traced it back to its origin.

The article mentioned that it came from the Americas, which Mexico is a part of. I can't help but wonder if they busted A and maybe a colleague has taken over the operation.

 

[aramir]

I really need N though and don't currently have an e.o.l clinic as an option. Please tell me it's definitely not worth buying from A?

I would suggest to wait until ARK posts the results of his investigation to make a decision.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

I would suggest to wait until ARK posts the results of his investigation to make a decision.

Ok when is he going to do that?

 

[aramir]

Ok when is he going to do that?

I'm not sure. it sounds like a few days to a week from now. I'm sure he's trying his best to make sure we get accurate and useful information

 

[NextBusLeaving]

I'm not sure. it sounds like a few days to a week from now. I'm sure he's trying his best to make sure we get accurate and useful information

It is possible he was taken down and someone else is filling the void.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

It is possible he was taken down and someone else is filling the void.

Ok so what should I do? Should I order from this person?

 

[Mud.]

Ok so what should I do? Should I order from this person?

What do you think?

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

What do you think?

I don't know..............:( :,( That's why I asked for people's advice & opinion.

 

[Mud.]

I don't know..............:( :,( That's why I asked for people's advice & opinion.

There's nothing but (good) advice in this thread and it's pretty clear.
Wait until further notice if you don't want to get scammed.

I understand that's not what you want to hear but it is what it is.

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

There's nothing but (good) advice in this thread and it's pretty clear.
Wait until further notice if you don't want to get scammed.

I understand that's not what you want to hear but it is what it is.

Ok then, so I should wait till the test results come back then?