This is a dishonest reply. What @BojackHorseman said had nothing to do with the differentiation between open incels, and dangerous people who hide their true intentions. This thread is specifically referring to open incels and their hatred of women. Calling it an obsession when these types of incels are arguably just as dangerous as men who are more discrete is a weak attempt to erode the reality of the matter.
That part you quoted wasn't in response to
@BojackHorseman. It was a general statement. Incels are losers under patriarchy & can be organized. Their rage is legitimate & can attack the proper target: patriarchal men & women. As bell hooks
argues:
Male despair, often initially expressed as anger, is a far greater threat to the patriarchal sexual order than feminist movement. While masses of men continue to use patriarchal sex and pornography to numb themselves, many men are weary of numbing and are trying to find a way to reclaim selfhood. This process of recovery includes finding a new sexuality. The assault on the male body by modern diseases, lowered sex drive, and out-and-out impotence has caused individual men not only to question patriarchal sex but to the find new ways of being sexual that can satisfy.
By way of analogy, consider
Redneck Revolt, who goes into the US's deep South to organize people who are losers under wageslavery. This means people who are often virulently racist — like how incels are often virulently misogynist:
The history of the white working class is also one filled with collaboration with those same rich elite power holders. White working people have played the role of foot soldiers for the political and economic elite, participating in genocide and the enslavement of other peoples, and overall protectors of the ruling class. White working class participation in state and paramilitary organizations and formations like the Ku Klux Klan, the Minutemen, the U.S. Armed Forces, and the Council of Conservative Citizens has undermined the struggle for freedom among all people.
It is with these conflicting histories in mind that Redneck Revolt hopes to incite a movement amongst working people that works toward the total liberation of all working people, regardless of skin color, religious background, sexual orientation, gender, country of birth, or any other division that bosses and politicians have used to fragment movements for social, political, and economic freedom.
This is counter-intuitive for some — why organize people who participate in the KKK? Because if you don't, the KKK will! And the KKK will redirect their legitimate rage away from elites — towards underdogs who didn't do shit to them. Divide & conquer the wageslaves
Just as few US anti-capitalists organize poor whites, few feminists organize men mutilated by patriarchy. bell hooks continues:
The vast majority of feminist women I encounter do not hate men. They feel sorry for men because they see how patriarchy wounds them and yet men remain wedded to patriarchal culture. While visionary thinkers have called attention to the way patriarchy hurts men, there has never been an ongoing effort made to address male pain. To this day I hear individual feminist women express their concern for the plight of men within patriarchy, even as they share that they are unwilling to give their energy to help educate and change men. Feminist writer Minnie Bruce Pratt states the position clearly: "How are men going to change? The meeting between two people, where one opposes the other, is the point of change. But I don't want the personal contact. I don't want to do it.... When people talk about not giving men our energies, I agree with that.... They have to deliver themselves." These attitudes, coupled with the negative attitudes of most men toward feminist thinking, meant that there was never a collective, affirming call for boys and men to join feminist movement so that they would be liberated from patriarchy.
Just like women on this thread. The OP's concluding sentence perfectly illustrates bell hook's point:
"I have a lot of sympathy for incels. Actually, I believe that they are a product of our capitalistic and uncaring society , but ultimately they need a reality check and possibly a dating app."
Ok, if this is the attitude of sympathetic women, guess who'll organize lonely men. The manosphere. And
the manosphere is pro-patriarchy
That's why men now separate politically from women (from Financial Times):
So let me be clear
I don't know incels irl — I first learned about them here on SaSu. The guys I know have gals, and are charming & successful
Last month, I had a literal locker room talk with one such fellow, who noticed I was listening to Fresh & Fit. I started to joke in embarrassment about my toxic masculinity — and he said no: it's absurd that women have the full vote, their decisionmaking is irrational, etc
This isn't a one-off. I keep hearing this from men, a dark enlightenment that their sympathy for women was in error; that women are over-emotional talkative buffoons; that our elders were sadly right in stripping them of political participation, because a woman with a vote is like a chimp with a machinegun
That locker room wasn't cheap to get into. These men are the organized ones of my kind, with networks, motivation & skills
I've needed to fight men who attacked girls & women. (Unlike all those virtue-signaling feminists who don't lift a finger for poor women, and can't even define patriarchy.) And I think: the winners are the ones who could rollback the gains of women's movements — even ones now considered social common sense, like the right to vote
I suppose you should note the traitors amongst women too:
These were the women for whom feminist liberation was more about getting their piece of the power pie and less about freeing masses of women or less powerful men from sexist oppression. They were not mad at their powerful daddies and husbands who kept poor men exploited and oppressed; they were mad that they were not being giving equal access to power. Now that many of those women have gained power, and especially economic parity with the men of their class, they have pretty much lost interest in feminism.
Here endeth my rant. Instead of answering online flames, I have irl people to help — mostly women. People are suffering all around me. One woman gets on my case for wasting time on argumentative suicide-forum people:
"They're dying anyway"
She's right. I'm responding to the moaning of the dead. It's the living who act to solve problems, and use all the help they can get. Flame away
Yeah, open our legs to whoever asks, have terrible probably painful sex, and feel like a used tool after. That will make us feel better lmao.
