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No consequence for suicide "unless the greeting party is an asshole" ("but that's incredibly infrequent, especially with this kind of thing, it's taken more seriously") That would be insane. Your life ends one way or another where you are, and to see one end early is so regularly heartbreaking.

From an angel I know well in response, "If anything you'd be hugged if you needed it (I hope there would be good ones near you (we're all kinda different, but don't be freaking out, I say you've got a good shot!))- and then told something like, "You're gonna be fine. Whew. We're gonna work hard. Killing yourself was okay. We can sometimes find out for you what's going on. We know how it can be and we feel you. Don't feel pressured, but we encourage you to go down a new route, here. And I think you'd possibly be super cool, if you want. And that's cool! Yeah? 🥲"

Their personal example (supportive, little awkward and nervewracking, but sweet). Every individual/s are different and maybe they're related to you. I personally want to part ways with my family so I've requested to not meet them but I'm not sure how that gets upheld or anything.

Who ends up vibing with you on their end is anyone's guess though. I'm fortunate to have them as a reliable partner (a few really) I can discuss this with and it makes me substantially more comfortable with my decision to CTB in the coming weeks.
 
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But since time doesn't work in the traditional sense, this "frame of reference" has been / will be all of us at one point. Sort of as if the world were a giant play, we played all of the parts, and then we "edited" all of the characters
Your ideas are very good.

There are a couple of Kurzgesagt's ideas to clarify (or de-clarify as it were). This is inherently slippery to talk about because we are simultaneously referring to ourselves as separate entities and also speaking of being one with everything. In Buddhism, the two truths doctrine is one way of working with the appearance of being individuated for practical purposes, while acknowledging that ultimate reality is empty of separate entities.

Keep in mind that the slippery question of identity exists even at the level of the physical. The body contains trillions of individual cells which function separately yet form a collective totality. People in a city also function individually while forming part a collective community. It's not a huge stretch to say that planet Earth in turn forms a part of a mighty universal operation.

Inasmuch as there is a separate soul that moves from one lifetime to another, it is not having to live all 117 billion human lives in sequence (not to mention non-human beings on Earth and beyond). Indeed, from the cosmic perspective, it is valid to say that all beings are the same 'person'. But for the apparent individual soul? It's not that bad. This is the answer that Theologian Neale Donald Walsch was given in response asking how many past lifetimes he has lived.

You have had 647 past lives, since you insist on being exact. This is your 648th. You were everything in them. A king, a queen, a serf. A teacher, a student, a master. A male, a female. A warrior, a pacifist. A hero, a coward. A killer, a savior. A sage, a fool. You have been all of it! (Source: Conversations with God Book 1)

(Though not worth going into, there is an added layer of complexity when we consider that time itself is not linear; it would be more accurate to say that everything is happening all at once in the present moment. Thus, there are more dimensions than the 4 that we are familiar with.)

This understanding renders ethics and morality irrelevant. There is only a) enlightened self-interest, or b) stupidity/insanity. With the human race largely operating like a dysfunctional family (decidedly stupid/insane), we come here to experience the opposite of the usual perfect love. In striving to overcome the darkness, we are merely removing layers of illusion to reveal the eternal cosmic reality. It has been described as returning to a place that you never left. All the paradoxical language can be demystified by understanding the aforementioned two-truths situation.
Maybe the life review is more about collecting the intel of the experience rather than a self-assessment process. It does make total sense that whatever we have done within the life we can then see and feel how it affected others, cause those 'others' are just us too. This doesnt account for the dark NDE experiences though. Cause every life experience, every state at death, would simply be an unlabelled 'experience', no 'good' or 'bad' assigned. So why are some going to a hell-place post death?

I also understand @Pluto 's guidance to continue working to resolve and let go as much of the baggage as possible. But again in a circumstance where trauma is being added daily, and anger is arising thro suffering mistreatment and inability to escape the circumstances, it becomes almost outwith control in a human capability to dissolve anger. Facing toxicity without agency to act is a bind somewhat beyond spiritual alleviation.
The notion of a collective awakening has been described by many great teachers. In Eckhart Tolle's book A New Earth, he views the movement towards enlightenment as an evolution of humanity, comparing it to the first flowering plants or the first flying animals.

The only caveat with this sort of discussion is that certain cosmic matters are beyond our viewpoint by design, and there is a risk of misusing our time with metaphysical speculation. The Buddha used the analogy of a man who had been shot by a poisoned arrow, and instead of seeking immediate medical treatment, wasted critical time by asking unimportant questions about who had shot him. This is also why the Buddha remained silent in response to certain questions. At some point, the only valid question would be, 'How can I realise my true nature in direct experience?'

Hellish NDEs are rare and end quickly when the experiencer asks for help. It is no different to hellish life situations. It is supposed to be something that we have a pathway out of. There have been many success stories, but it's hard to find a common thread that links them. Nor am I inclined to preach about things that I've failed to put into practice myself...
 
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