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It's not.
It's just giving them more ammunition to get this site shut down, making people here angry at BPG for having framed the issue in a biased and dishonest way, and probably given him a sense of self-satisfaction and power in being able to manipulate and play groups off against each other.

Apparently he said that was what he wanted to do, was help fix the issue with healthcare.
So that makes me question how it turned from 'help' to defamation. As I've said, probably in retaliation for being banned.

the thing that's funny to me is how they focus on age verification, and saying if this stuff was presented in a school it would be shut down. yeah, if you projected porn onto a screen in a school it would be shut down too. it's made very clear that this site isn't for minors. do they want pornhub to start asking for ID to verify age too?

Exactly what I was thinking. God the stupidity is actually giving me a headache.

And apparently they want trained professionals to moderate internet forums.

If I wanted a trained professional involved with my peer support, I'd just go to group therapy. Which, in my experience, is garbage since you still have to watch what you say...
 
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When he backed out from ctb, while he is correct in saying that a few members said he was attention seeking and emotionally affecting them, the vast majority of responses were actually not like that, but were very supportive of him. Why doesn't he mention those, or all the people who actually helped him and were there for him?
 
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it's interesting that he's able to look so smug while spewing such bullshit.

the thing that's funny to me is how they focus on age verification, and saying if this stuff was presented in a school it would be shut down. yeah, if you projected porn onto a screen in a school it would be shut down too. it's made very clear that this site isn't for minors. do they want pornhub to start asking for ID to verify age too?

Yeah, this argument wasn't good. Minors get banned on sight here. Yes, they sign up but there's not much we can do if they're lying about their age. Ideally there would be no minors here. Ultimately that responsibility is on parents. It should be clear by now that the internet is full of all kinds of messed up stuff and you need to monitor your kids' activity.

There are legitimate criticisms to be made about this site but this interview was dishonest and manipulative.
 
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Apparently he said that was what he wanted to do, was help fix the issue with healthcare.
So that makes me question how it turned from 'help' to defamation. As I've said, probably in retaliation for being banned.



Exactly what I was thinking. God the stupidity is actually giving me a headache.



If I wanted a trained professional involved with my peer support, I'd just go to group therapy. Which, in my experience, is garbage since you still have to watch what you say...
This is his thread about fixthe26 being good people we need to work with:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-shared-purpose.51407/
Funny how he did not mention that he was failed by the NHS mental health services, although he bitched and moaned about that for months here.
 
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When he backed out from ctb, while he is correct in saying that a few members said he was attention seeking and emotionally affecting them, the vast majority of responses were actually not like that, but were very supportive of him. Why doesn't he mention those, or all the people who actually helped him and were there for him?

Because then it wouldn't sound so bad, and not make SS sound completely full of pro-death crazy fanatics.... his feelings were hurt, so he took it out on the innocents here.

This is his thread about fixthe26 being good people we need to work with:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-shared-purpose.51407/

100% betrayal.... what the hell was the point of this interview anyway? They're literally just sh*t talking SS and virtue signaling. Everything he said in that thread did not reflect what he said in the interview. Like I am actually dumbfounded. Like I am at a real loss for words, I can't even describe how shocked I am.
 
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Fixthe26, you can't shake hands when your fists are always clenched.

I hope those guitars serve more of a purpose than just a backdrop for one sided interviews.
 
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Because then it wouldn't sound so bad, and not make SS sound completely full of pro-death crazy fanatics.... his feelings were hurt, so he took it out on the innocents here.



100% betrayal.... what the hell was the point of this interview anyway? They're literally just sh*t talking SS and virtue signaling. Everything he said in that thread did not reflect what he said in the interview. Like I am actually dumbfounded. Like I am at a real loss for words, I can't even describe how shocked I am.
The only goal these f*ckers have is to shut down this website, they don't give a rat's ass about mental health services or suicide prevention.
 
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These are the kind of people that make me want to kill myself.
 
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These are the kind of people that make me want to kill myself.
I want to kill myself out of spite now, and make a video in which I blame people like them for it.
 
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The only goal these f*ckers have is to shut down this website, they don't give a rat's ass about mental health services or suicide prevention.

I never had the slightest thought they had any real intentions to help.
We are a suicide cult after all, and are not actually wishing there was better help for all of us now, do we? Jfc lol.

A place to blame for the deaths of their kids/family. A way so they don't have to look inwardly or at a bigger picture. Whatever, I guess....
 
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He's too lazy to get a real fucking job that's why he's "campaigning" for random shit in a desperate attempt to milk money from his subscribers. I know a fraud when I see one.
 
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Wow those people are sad to look at. I thought I had it bad, but those people must lead pathetic lives to act like this. The whole interview was done in bad faith.
 
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Well, if their intention is to take down this forum, then it makes sense to expect to hear them speaking only unambiguously bad about this place. Both parties seem to have common interests here, so they cooperated.
 
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None of this will matter once we are dead, I got better things to do like writing my suicide note than waste my time on someone like this POS.
 
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esse_est_percipi

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Who did people used to blame for suicides before the internet was invented?
 
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Who did people used to blame for suicides before the internet was invented?
There were no suicides in the world before this website was created, didn't you know?
 
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However if people did pm him after he offered support, that is a bit wrong to be fair.
To add to this, I highly doubt that this happened in the way he described it.
 
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Also remember the 'help' that the UK provide was rubbish amongst other things according to him even called NHS workers Nazis I believe at one point. His posts came across at times as even if you wanted help there was no point because there is no help in the UK. I understand that people have had bad experiences with services but he made it come across as there was no hope or point at all to reaching out which I found and maybe others to be more damaging than the site.
And in fairness I bet he probably wanted this thread to happen. A lot of things taken out of context and spun into the angle that the website want it to be perceived. The manipulation continues!
 
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Also remember the 'help' that the UK provide was rubbish amongst other things according to him even called NHS workers Nazis I believe at one point. His posts came across at times as even if you wanted help there was no point because there is no help in the UK. I understand that people have had bad experiences with services but he made it come across as there was no hope or point at all to reaching out which I found and maybe others to be more damaging than the site.
And in fairness I bet he probably wanted this thread to happen. A lot of things taken out of context and spun into the angle that the website want it to be perceived. The manipulation continues!
He thrives on attention, positive or negative, it doesn't matter. He's gotta feel important and relevant.
 
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He's a lying mole. It's not about betrayal. It's about how he played the members here like some kind of perishable goods or entertainment. A sadistic prick for sure. Relishing on vulnerable members pain. He's not a a part of this supportive member of this forum from the start.Traitor doesn't apply to moles.
 
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Gross mischaracterization of this website. Just a click on any thread will have supportive messages suggesting many ways to improve OP's life .
He has cherry picked a few examples (that too questionable ones) and is presenting it as "average" of this site, when it clearly isn't so.
 
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the thing that's funny to me is how they focus on age verification, and saying if this stuff was presented in a school it would be shut down. yeah, if you projected porn onto a screen in a school it would be shut down too. it's made very clear that this site isn't for minors. do they want pornhub to start asking for ID to verify age too?

Where I live, they actually have a project which consists of that.
Well, VPN, VPN...
 
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He can go fuck himself and the horse he rode in. Backstabbing prick.

He's gonna regret all this before the year is over, to humiliate the people that cared for him, for 5 minutes of shitty fame.
Bipolarity isn't an excuse, I'm one myself, and he isn't too delusional or psychotic in that interview , as to not know what he's doing. He knows. He just dont't fucking care, as long as he gets him the attention he craves.
 
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He can go fuck himself and the horse he rode in. Backstabbing prick.

He's gonna regret all this before the year is over, to humiliate the people that cared for him, for 5 minutes of shitty fame.
Bipolarity isn't an excuse, I'm one myself, and he isn't too delusional or psychotic in that interview , as to not know what he's doing. He knows. He just dont't fucking care, as long as he gets him the attention he craves.

If you can call it fame at all...heh. Just attention. He tried so hard to fight against that label, yet here he is. Getting more attention for all the wrong reasons.
 
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This member insulted many of us on many occasions, made countless goodbye threads, everyone closed their eyes and felt sorry because of his condition. Look at that now, he now got the attention he needed. im so upset right now.
 
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This member insulted many of us on many occasions, made countless goodbye threads, everyone closed their eyes and felt sorry because of his condition. Look at that now, he now got the attention he needed. im so upset right now.

He played many people here like a fiddle. Even making people who had no part of it feel like utter sh*t. I hope it is worth it to him. Sh*tting on those who genuinely wanted to help him and gave him so much support. I'm so sorry.
 
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My favorite way to pass time, heh.

In all seriousness though I went back and read through a lot of the drama, just to find some grounding on his answers. This really is a pick and choose case, as I can literally hear the threads and posts he's referring to throughout the interview now. It's actually hilarious that they thought there was a lot of context available, considering everything they were talking about. They were literally referring to only like 5 threads total. IF that. And a small handful of members who were just calling out BS when they saw it.

Hardly seems worth attention at this point, because all I see now is a temper tantrum going on in the back of his mind in that video.
Yes, nobody wanted him to die, people were just fed up with his "will I, won't I do it". I have spent a lot of time talking to him online and we spent 5 days IRL together, so I have invested a lot of time and energy into his bullshit drama.
He can go fuck himself and the horse he rode in. Backstabbing prick.

He's gonna regret all this before the year is over, to humiliate the people that cared for him, for 5 minutes of shitty fame.
Bipolarity isn't an excuse, I'm one myself, and he isn't too delusional or psychotic in that interview , as to not know what he's doing. He knows. He just dont't fucking care, as long as he gets him the attention he craves.
I told him many times that Bipolar isn't an excuse to act like a dick to people. I cared about him the most, spent 5 days with him IRL and hours and hours chatting with him, and he was playing with me all that time. He always wanted attention and for other people to give him hope and talk him out of killing himself. After a few weeks of spending every fucking day talking him out of suicide, a person gets seriously drained. He is such an ungrateful piece of shit, thinking only about himself and not giving a damn about the emotional damage he causes for others.
 
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I don't know if anyone else has spotted this, apologies if so, but remember BPG and his relationship with Fixthe26? Well, as predicted, he has spoken out in an interview on YouTube. It's in some places a leading interview, and I don't share in the experiences in the way that Jeremy is describing them.. but interesting nonetheless, especially to understand them more I find.



-Acopia :heart:

I can't even finish looking at his face. What a attention seeker. The spot life is all he wanted, and we wasn't getting much here in the last weeks of his endless goodbye threads. And then telling cursing some of us, myself included.
I don't know if anyone else has spotted this, apologies if so, but remember BPG and his relationship with Fixthe26? Well, as predicted, he has spoken out in an interview on YouTube. It's in some places a leading interview, and I don't share in the experiences in the way that Jeremy is describing them.. but interesting nonetheless, especially to understand them more I find.



-Acopia :heart:

Yes, nobody wanted him to die, people were just fed up with his "will I, won't I do it". I have spent a lot of time talking to him online and we spent 5 days IRL together, so I have invested

I told him many times that Bipolar isn't an excuse to act like a dick to people. I cared about him the most, spent 5 days with him IRL and hours and hours chatting with him, and he was playing with me all that time. He always wanted attention and for other people to give him hope and talk him out of killing himself. After a few weeks of spending every fucking day talking him out of suicide, a person gets seriously drained. He is such an ungrateful piece of shit, thinking only about himself and not giving a damn about the emotional damage he causes for others.
He played many people here like a fiddle. Even making people who had no part of it feel like utter sh*t. I hope it is worth it to him. Sh*tting on those who genuinely wanted to help him and gave him so much support. I'm so sorry.
He did so many goodbye threads, clearly making fun os us now, and u remember once I gave him a caring word and he was so rude to me even used the F you word. I couldn't stand watching the whole interview. I'm not giving him any of my precious time.
If you can call it fame at all...heh. Just attention. He tried so hard to fight against that label, yet here he is. Getting more attention for all the wrong reasons.
Can't even stand looking at his face...
I feel like i want to out myself to respond, but i fall short of the mark intellectually.
I would like to see the raw interview footage.
I'll be honest, i'm mixed.
The level of manipultaion, just hmm.
He manipulated all of us here for weeks on end. His all nice in the interview he should have mention the countless times he insulted us here. But that he didn't say.
 
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He's probably watching all this as a guest and having a ball! Bashing around member and SS who have been so supportive to him that's just beyond words...
 
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They keep mentioning 'getting help' in the interview, but what exactly does that mean?
The reason so many people join SS is precisely because 'help' has failed them.
If 'help' means speaking to someone on the phone once a month and a few meds to mask the symptoms but not treat the cause, then it's just an empty word.

It's very easy to pontificate on an issue if you have no idea what other people are actually having to live through.

About help. I think I've never bothered to check what dictionaries have to say about the word "help", until now. It's hard to explain for me, I'm just exploring here.

The term "help" is sufficiently vague here. It (in this context) conflates:
1) the treatment suicidal people are getting from mental health services (MHS);
2) what suicidal people want to recieve as a treatment from MHS;
3) treatment from MHS which which makes suicidal people better off in the long-term than if they wouldn't recieve treatment from MHS.

(I don't like the word 'help' here because it has a positive connotation, and I don't believe that what MHS does to suicidal people always helps, or helps more often than not, so instead I'm using the word 'treatment' (to deal with something in a certain way) which imo has a more neutral connotation, and is okay to use when describing beneficial or harmful treatment.)

Here I'd prefer to recieve help in the third sense, but what I will get is help in the first sense, and these may or may not be the same things. What is desirable is conflated to what is true. I don't know the name of this trap. Clearly it has something to do with ambiguity.
This is the best description I could find so far, from https://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html:
Boobytrap
A linguistic snare which is not itself fallacious, but may cause someone to inadvertently commit a fallacy. For instance, an ambiguous or vague sentence is not in and of itself fallacious, since it is not an argument, but it may cause somebody to infer a false conclusion.
First meaning is true here. Third meaning is not necessarily true, but it may be "inadvertently inferred".

That's only one dimension to think about. I could also ask: What are the goals and methods of treatment? What role does the consent of suicidal people play in recieving treatment from MHS? As the questions as sub questions get answered, the treatment becomes more defined, and it becomes harder to misinterpret, and to exploit its ambiguity to manipulate the perceptions of other people, which I think is what happens in the video.

That's why I think it can be a good idea to ask clarifying questions in response to vague statements.

Ok, that's all for now.
 
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