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OnlyTheWind

OnlyTheWind

Serena / Meatball head
Aug 29, 2020
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My only real confusion with this method is the threading on the cyclinders. Is there a universal standard or does it differ country to country?

one important question

What should I tell the seller when I want to buy helium and nitrogen so that he does not doubt and he doesnt understand my purpose?
They probably won't ask, but if they do, just say you use it for welding or your dad/uncle asked you to get it for them. There are probably plenty of other uses for it.
 
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Greenberg

nitrogenexit.blogspot.com
Jun 28, 2020
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Welding is always a great excuse. Another one is making nitro coffee. If you want to be novel, try aerating chocolate for bubbles.
 
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Riomhaire1

Member
Jul 14, 2021
23
This is such an illuminating post.
"I haven't been able to find anything on [removed due to sourcing] Nitrogen regulators aside from the posts I've mentioned above, which are mostly yours.
So if you and anyone else could share any further information on their experience using / testing this product and opinions on the quality etc, that would be incredibly helpful to myself and other members researching which regulator to purchase."

Reasonable question - cornered --- and as expected -- deflection / evasion / disingenuous - and zero substantive response.

I think I would go with MDB - but definitely not [removed due to sourcing] -- given the lack of history - lack of data -- and the general impression that some of the "supporting" posts may not be what they seem.

Or else --- just use a standard Argon welding flowmeter/regulator -- which has a 1/4in flared connector output.
But to solve the output hose problem - both in size ( too big) and in how to connect it - butchering on a cable clamp doesn't work

-- instead use this flared connector adapter to 1/4 inch barb -- and then a standard Oxygen tube - that can easily be taped to the exit bag.

Amazon product ASIN B0722ZDXYL
Amazon product ASIN B07S31XTYM

Yes - the cylinder threading varies country to country -- and also for each gas type within a country.
Generally there is at least one type for Oxygen and a different one for other gases ( Ar, He, N2 etc). Sometimes the nut turns clockwise - sometime anti-clockwise.
Mixing up oxygen with other cylinders could cause an explosion -- giving non oxygen gas to people to breathe ... well that's why you're here ....

Helium is only for party balloons (aside from research grade purity $$$ helium) -- but the regulator / nozzle for inflating balloons is no use to you - need to use a different regualtor/flowmeter

Nitrogen - is for use by welders or HVAC people - they put non oxygen gas inside metal tubes while they weld the metal tubes - or fill up an AC unit and check if it leaks - but generally the regulator is just high pressure / low output pressure dials -- almost always no flowmeter. They just output a pressure.
-- have to add on a flowmeter ( tube with a metal ball/bubble in it) --- and then the output connector needs to be for a barbed tube - preferably 1/4 in - to fit medical O2 tubing
-- it is not often used by welders -- only special types -- and everyone now knows about Nitrogen for suicide - so is harder to get.
When you ask for a flowmeter they will ask why you want this - no one else does ...etc etc

---- all the gas suppliers have warnings not to sell to people who cannot explain - for suicide risk prevention etc.
Generally there are few suppliers for gases in a given area - sometimes just one - so if you go there and blow your cover -- then you're not getting any other gas ( eg argon) either ...

Argon seems to be still easily obtainable - is very common for use with $500 MIG/TIG welders as a cover gas - flowmeter/regulator is standard.
They output a flowrate - from a few l/min up to about 40l/min - conveniently...
Just have to have a 1/4in ( 6mm) barbed adapter to connect to thin medical O2 tubing to go to exit bag.

Forney 85363 Ar welding regulator - pressure gauge / flowmeter gauge - then adapter barb to 1/4in tubing - then regular O2 breathing tubing
OUTPUT ✔ Female 9/16" x 18 nut and male 5/"8 UNF-18RH fitting

Amazon product ASIN B000VYN0GG-- $80

1626760622537


Can use
Argon Nut & Nipple x 1/4 Hose Barb, Mig Tig Welding Fitting Inert Gas, 2 Sets

Argon Nut & Nipple x 1/4" Hose Barb, Mig Tig Welding Fitting Inert Gas, 2 Sets


1626760752967


Amazon product ASIN B07WF5QRB616.4ft
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OR can use same OUTPUT ✔ Female 9/16" x 18 nut and male 5/"8 UNF-18RH fitting but use adapter to 4mm / ( 5/32in) tubing

Oxygen Supply Tubing - Standard Connector


or

1626760837146 Forney 85363 Argon/CO2 Regulator Kit for Mig Welder, 5/32-Inch

1626760898238 Beduan Pneumatic Tubing Pipe 5/32" OD Clear Air Compressor PU Line Hose Tube for Water Fluid Transfer 10Meter 32.8ft

but will need tubing cutter to get clean cut for push fit 4mm OD PU tubing into connector
1626761185216 PureSec RO Tubing Cutter/Airline Cutter 3/8"&1/4" inch O.D. Plastic Hose/Pipe Cutter to Prevent Leakage

and an adjustable wrench -- or even two of them to use to attach the barbed / 4mm pushfit adapter to the regulator -- and then the regulator to the Argon gas cylinder
1626761362487

Total bill - approx $130

+ Gas cylinder 55 cuft -Ar technical grade -- approx $220 including purchase of tank/fees/taxes --of which the gas is approx $30

So-- total approx $350

+ oven turkey bag / elastic / micropore tape / scissors

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khz89

Member
Jul 25, 2021
21
How long might [removed due to sourcing] take to ship to the UK? And has anyone used [removed due to sourcing], are those cylinders fine? Is there any issue with police here?
 
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mandyjohnuk

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Jul 6, 2021
389
Hi.
I have used [removed due to sourcing] for my set up.
Please look at my post it shows the cylinder I purchased.

And there was no issue with police.
There won't be as it's sold quite freely here in the UK. With no questions asked.

My delivery took 2 days.
Hope this helps.
 
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khz89

Member
Jul 25, 2021
21
Hi.
I have used [removed due to sourcing] for my set up.
Please look at my post it shows the cylinder I purchased.

And there was no issue with police.
There won't be as it's sold quite freely here in the UK. With no questions asked.

My delivery took 2 days.
Hope this helps.
Thanks. I don't have the ability to view post history, would you maybe link it to me? Also what flow regulator did you get?
 
mandyjohnuk

mandyjohnuk

Specialist
Jul 6, 2021
389
Hi.
Here's a link to my set up. When you get to the page simply scroll up to see my pictures.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-set-up.70496/post-1286552

And the regulator I'm using was purchased from one of the 2 famous shopping sites online.
 
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mandyjohnuk

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Jul 6, 2021
389
Hi.
Here's a link to my set up. When you get to the page simply scroll up to see my pictures.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-set-up.70496/post-1286552

And the regulator I'm using was purchased from one of the 2 famous shopping sites online.
Just remember this regulator is an Argon one so when using it with a nitrogen cylinder set the flow rate to 12 Lpm to 13 Lpm.
 
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khz89

Member
Jul 25, 2021
21
Is 9 litres at 137 bar enough gas? How many minutes would it give? I have trouble understanding the conversions.
Also, is there much convulsion with this method? Is there possibility of falling sideways? I would probably do it sitting legs flat in bed against the wall, maybe with some cushioning around me
 
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hdahsa

Member
Jul 25, 2021
56
Hello Folks,

This is my first post to the forum. I have been a long time visitor and I have learned a lot about ctb right. So I have narrowed down to these three methods.

1. Chemical asphyxiation via H2S : I have the ingredients for producing enough H2S in lethal quantities (1000 ppm). Two things dissuade me from this method. The first is what some of the members here have described after being poisoned with it. Though it may be a quick method but painless it certainly is not and if things go wrong then it will leave me in a much worse condition. More importantly it will be seriously harmful to first responders and some others who will not heed the warning signs and try to rescue me. So this method is out of contention.

2. SN : Again I have the ingredients. SN is coming and I have ibuprofen plus Stemetil which can act to suppress the vomiting and nausea. For dosage I am relying on the information gathered here, particularly on the successes and failures google documents. I think 25g is a good dose (3x the lethal dose for adults). This is in contention.

3. IG: Lastly, my method of choice which is inert gas asphyxiation. Nitrogen is the obvious choice and I believe I can obtain the flow regulator, tubing and prepare the eb. But I wanted some opinions on using the car as a container.

I know it has been shot down before. But for IG what we really need is three things:

1. A closed container
2. An inert gas to displace the O2
3. Flow enough to displace the O2 down to under 6% and take away the expelled CO2.

The inside of a small car is say 3500 litres. Now if we consider that 600L is recommended for 40 mins when the normal minute ventilation is 6 litres, then if I obtain 3 cylinders of 90 cuft (7560 litres) each and release them in the car (with regulators of course) then the car will be filled in approx 30 mins and it will keep on filling for another 30 mins at least. This should be enough to ensure a peaceful exit with no eb.

Now I could find only one instance where this was done successfully. A family of three - mother, daughter and son - closed all exits to the car, drove to a parking spot late in the night and they were found in the morning by the parking attendant. An empty nitrogen gas cylinder with the release full on position was also found in the car. From the pictures accompanying the news story, I guess it could have been at most 125 cuft (3500 litres). It was also mentioned that they had taped the insides of the doors.

The news item can be found here. Another one here.

There was also another story in sagepub where an elderly couple was found in their car in the front seats. In the rear were two empty nitrogen cylinders with their valves turned fully on. The capacity of cylinders in this case too was not mentioned nor were there any photographs.

So my questions are - Given the anecdotal evidence, do you see any obvious pitfalls in my plan ? I can go the eb way but I do not want to be found in that fashion.
 
mandyjohnuk

mandyjohnuk

Specialist
Jul 6, 2021
389
9 Ltrs is more than enough but the lower pressure is a slight concern.

From what I understand convulsions will happen but you'll be unconscious to know. Like you say make sure not only your cylinder is secure but also make sure you are too.
 
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Juliajulia

Member
Aug 19, 2018
23
This probably sounds like a really stupid question, but the flow regulators/meters for Nitrogen don't have the l/m, the regulator dial just says 0-15bar or 0-200psi, how do I figure out the setting for 15l/m?
And some say to use the regulator for Argon/CO2, but they don't seem to fit on a Nitrogen tank here in Europe.
 
mandyjohnuk

mandyjohnuk

Specialist
Jul 6, 2021
389
Hi.
Unfortunately you would need a seperate flow meter to connect. Or just purchase one with Lpm.

I myself have the Argon regulator which shows Lpm but will have to make a slight adjustment to the flow rate.

I think each country vary on connections so wouldn't know sorry which to suggest for you.
 
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Apricity

Wizard
Jul 27, 2021
642
Sorry if this was answered, I looked for the search but couldn't find it (I'd appreciate some help locating it).

Has anyone seen or heard of the after affects of this method? My concern is whether a diaper should be worn.
 
mandyjohnuk

mandyjohnuk

Specialist
Jul 6, 2021
389
Hi.

There is a few references here I think for that problem but I myself cannot locate it. But I think it's safe to say that when pass over either naturally or by our own hands I think we will leak especially if we are not found straight away. There are some adult diapers for sale of many online sites.
 
Apricity

Apricity

Wizard
Jul 27, 2021
642
I figured as much. I have everything except the tank. I found one on a brew site, does that look about right? 0001
 
mandyjohnuk

mandyjohnuk

Specialist
Jul 6, 2021
389
Happy days.
As long as it's Oxygen Free and not mixed it looks good.
My tank is little under in size to your so hope I don't fail.

There is another member here by the name of ( Greenberg ). He or she has a lot of useful information. It's alot to take in but if you take the time to look its worth it.
 
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OnlyTheWind

OnlyTheWind

Serena / Meatball head
Aug 29, 2020
962
That looks to be too small. You want 20 cubic feet, or about 600 litres.
 
Mare Imbrium

Mare Imbrium

Killing yourself to live.
Dec 10, 2020
183

This probably sounds like a really stupid question, but the flow regulators/meters for Nitrogen don't have the l/m, the regulator dial just says 0-15bar or 0-200psi, how do I figure out the setting for 15l/m?
And some say to use the regulator for Argon/CO2, but they don't seem to fit on a Nitrogen tank here in Europe.
Argon flow meters fit on Nitrogen.
 
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mandyjohnuk

Specialist
Jul 6, 2021
389
Yes.
Or just buy an Argon regulator like my one which reads Lpm.
 
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Originaldon

Student
Aug 27, 2020
139
Sorry if this was answered, I looked for the search but couldn't find it (I'd appreciate some help locating it).

Has anyone seen or heard of the after affects of this method? My concern is whether a diaper should be worn.
It really makes no odds what method you use in regards to this. Just search what happens to the body when you die on google
You are right. I was looking at the litres, which confuses me a bit since 29CF would be around 820 litres.
it is , if you do the calculation it's approx 830L
 
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Interloper

Jul 23, 2021
687
Do you guys know of anyone within Belgium who has gotten a cylinder (argon/nitrogen)? There's a couple of suppliers but I was told (off site) that they may not deliver to individuals for reasons. I don't want to blow my chances of getting a cylinder because I screwed up my first contact with these places. Belgium is big on beer so using the brewing excuse might work, except what if they sense that something is off and they inquire further?

Maybe going for helium cylinders might be easier after all, but then there's the question of how do I make sure I have a regulator with a flow meter that will fit? Do you guys know if the cylinder that I have attached a standard one or should I shoot them an email to ask what kind of connection it has?

Feu1jwwbnl public i v a temp kzkcignbwtpqzsmtoryg mjqnnz Naamloos 2
 
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Greenberg

nitrogenexit.blogspot.com
Jun 28, 2020
1,063
Do you guys know of anyone within Belgium who has gotten a cylinder (argon/nitrogen)? There's a couple of suppliers but I was told (off site) that they may not deliver to individuals for reasons. I don't want to blow my chances of getting a cylinder because I screwed up my first contact with these places. Belgium is big on beer so using the brewing excuse might work, except what if they sense that something is off and they inquire further?

Maybe going for helium cylinders might be easier after all, but then there's the question of how do I make sure I have a regulator with a flow meter that will fit? Do you guys know if the cylinder that I have attached a standard one or should I shoot them an email to ask what kind of connection it has?

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I believe the inlet connection standard for Belgium is DIN477 No. 10. You may wish to check my blog for confirmation. Best, G
 
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Interloper

Jul 23, 2021
687
I believe the inlet connection standard for Belgium is DIN477 No. 10. You may wish to check my blog for confirmation. Best, G
So as long they they don't use something proprietary for their cylinders, I should look for a flow meter that will fit on a DIN 477 #10 connection, correct? It appears as if they already have a regulator built in.

What I don't understand though, if I need to connect a plastic tube, why do some flow meters have the little nozzle and others don't? Maybe I should just stick to a rope. :hihi:
 
Greenberg

Greenberg

nitrogenexit.blogspot.com
Jun 28, 2020
1,063
Would you have an enlarged photo of the cylinder valve? Perhaps, I can tell if the DIN 477 connection would fit. Best, G
 
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Interloper

Jul 23, 2021
687
Is this large enough? I don't know if you can tell just from this image/angle.

HE_INT_allEU.jpg



That one is from the website I would order from. There are a couple of enlarged images on google images but they are from the UK/other shops which might be different valve?

For what it's worth, these are some of the attachments they sell to inflate the balloons, if you are able to derive anything from this.
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Thanks in advance.
 

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