Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Falling Slowly]

Understand this is a place to discuss this method and I don't know anything about it. I seem to recall someone saying you need to breathe 100% nitrogen, without any air mixed in. Is that incorrect? I'm a newbie to this method so don't go ballistic, I'm just asking.

You need to get as close to 100% nitrogen as you can get.

I don't think anyone was going ballistic. I don't think anyone would disagree with you that Esc M was pricey, but like it was said, he offered a convenient setup.

 

[Dot]

I wish somebody would ban you, you are nothing but a troublemaker, you're worse than FromGermany, because at least he had some technical knowledge--Once again, show me anywhere where Nitrogen/EEBD Hood setup failed...I'll wait

Am nt sre wht Med Gude hs dne hre tht = bn-wrthy

Thy r dscussng infrmatn tht thy hve Cn on th/ ste - = ok t/ dsgree wth tht infrmatn or perspctve

Like you?

Pls kp thngs civl - accusatns r nt helpfl

 

[Falling Slowly]

"I wish somebody would ban you, you are nothing but a troublemaker," <--- All because I was talking about someone saying a regulator didn't fit, and someone used to sell ones that didn't fit according to someone here. Yes that's going ballistic.
In the past I noticed some people who were interested in directing people to certain places to buy expensive equipment.

Am nt sre wht Med Gude hs dne hre tht = bn-wrthy

Thy r dscussng infrmatn tht thy hve Cn on th/ ste - = ok t/ dsgree wth tht infrmatn or perspctve



Pls kp thngs civl - accusatns r nt helpfl

Meditation guide was banned?

Was she banned for things she posted on this thread only, or an accumulation of all the things she has said everywhere on the site?
I would be surprised if it just related to things said on this site.

 

[Dot]

Meditation guide was banned?

Was she banned for things she posted on this thread only, or an accumulation of all the things she has said everywhere on the site?
I would be surprised if it just related to things said on this site.

MG hd bn neithr bannd nor warnd bcse thre = nt n.e reasn 2

Slf ws rspondng t/ a usr sayng tht sh/ shld b bannd whn sh/ hs dne nothng t/ warrnt a ban

 

[Das Nichts]

Pls kp thngs civl - accusatns r nt helpfl

I think @outrider567 critique is justified. This person comes here and produces alternate facts, after being refuted by @anonaon re-frames
everything to "asking random questions". To me this is classic gaslighting and very counter productive.

Critical discussion is always appreciated but should be done in a meaningful way, which includes posting sources or valid reasoning for your claim.

Every CTB method has it's risks, so does inert gas. There is a wealth of information available but there are certain aspects that cannot be answered
unless someone assists in the process and observes it. Multiple times, so it's statistically valid.

 

[Falling Slowly]

MG hd bn neithr bannd nor warnd bcse thre = nt n.e reasn 2

Slf ws rspondng t/ a usr sayng tht sh/ shld b bannd whn sh/ hs dne nothng t/ warrnt a ban

Oh right, I misunderstood.

I think @outrider567 critique is justified. This person comes here and produces alternate facts, after being refuted by @anonaon re-frames
everything to "asking random questions". To me this is classic gaslighting and very counter productive.

Critical discussion is always appreciated but should be done in a meaningful way, which includes posting sources or valid reasoning for your claim.

Every CTB method has it's risks, so does inert gas. There is a wealth of information available but there are certain aspects that cannot be answered
unless someone assists in the process and observes it. Multiple times, so it's statistically valid.

I agree with the last two paragraphs above.

But do you think she deserves to be banned based on her previous few posts?
When the poster said she should be banned and called her a trouble-maker, I presumed it was based on a past history between them, either on this megathread or elsewhere. I haven't looked at their post history to confirm this.

But you're right, critical discussion should be done in a meaningful way.

 

[NoFutureAnymore]

But do you think she deserves to be banned based on her previous few posts?

I too think what she said was within the limits. Maybe she didn't phrase it clear enough for everyone, but the amount of information is sometimes overwhelming and unordered. It can be sometimes frightening and some people are more anxious or technical than other people. Let's be kind to each other, I think we can agree that we're all in a difficult position.

 

[Das Nichts]

I too think what she said was within the limits.

You mean the part where Greenberg, Kenneth law and Nischke all where the same person or at least interchangeable to fit the narrative that because kn sold his kit at a high margin everything else should be questioned as well ?

I strongly disagree.

 

[Techef]

Since my date's getting closer, I was wondering how dangerous it'd be to try some test runs using a pulse oximeter. Was thinking of pulling my cheapo Chinese EEBD hood off when the oximeter reaches 70-80 range, and seeing if it continues to drop a bit after the hood is off and I've taken a few breaths of regular air. If I wanted to do this, will just any pulse oximeter do?

I also have a couple dummy heads lying around. I could try using an oxygen meter and CO2 meter to test it the way @Vizzy showed in his guide/setup. Given the dummy heads are smaller than real heads, the elastic band portion of the hood around the neck isn't going to fit snugly, so I imagine I'd have to waste some gas doing it that way. How reliable is the dummy head test? I've found the same oxygen meter he used, but not the CO2 meter. I've found a variety of cheap CO2 meters with no or bad reviews. Will just any do? And if I use CO2 meter for dummy head test, am I correct in assuming the CO2 level shown won't drop as fast as it would with my head actual breathing in it, since the hood needs human exhalation for the valve to expel CO2?

 

[NoFutureAnymore]

You mean the part where Greenberg, Kenneth law and Nischke all where the same person or at least interchangeable to fit the narrative that because kn sold his kit at a high margin everything else should be questioned as well ?

I strongly disagree.

You're probably right about that, however I think it's not worth a ban. We can't look in her mind to see what her motivation is. As I said, some people are more anxious and this can be the result.

 

[Das Nichts]

As I said, some people are more anxious and this can be the result.

There is difference between being anxious and posting alternate facts. The later one should not be tolerated.
FromGermanys musings are still read and cause doubt without providing any form of proof to his claims.

In retrospect my response to @MG_39 was unnecessary aggressive and immature and I'd like to apologize.

Since my date's getting closer, I was wondering how dangerous it'd be to try some test runs using a pulse oximeter. Was thinking of pulling my cheapo Chinese EEBD hood off when the oximeter reaches 70-80 range, and seeing if it continues to drop a bit after the hood is off and I've taken a few breaths of regular air. If I wanted to do this, will just any pulse oximeter do?

Another user has done this multiple times with very controlled and cautios breathing while observing the pulse oximeter and aborting after reaching a certain threshold. If you overdue it it's defiantly dangerous.

Id say the cheaper the pulse oxymeter, the more insensitive it will be the more cautious you have to be.

Here's a picture of my el-chapo 20 € oximeter, tests where done with a SCBA mask.

Argon not reliable for exit bag?

It's so weird, even when I did it very tight with the drawstring. I mean I'm not gonna do the gas method anymore because can't afford it rn but I don't mind sharing my experience. It seems people are succeeding with SN I know your team sn now but bag is my backup plan so I'm still inclined to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Dot]

There is difference between being anxious and posting alternate facts. The later one should not be tolerated.
FromGermanys musings are still read and cause doubt without providing any form of proof to his claims.

In retrospect my response to @MG_39 was unnecessary aggressive and immature and I'd like to apologize.

Wht wre th/ altern8tve fcts tho

MG refrrd 2 a membr wh/ ws cncernd tht thy hd bn scammd b/ Escmde - sh/ hs sd tht sh/ = nt knwldgble abt Nitrgn as a methd

Sh/ mde speculatns abt th/ I.r.l identty of a prevs membr whch tbh no1 knws & cn prve eithr wy - Greenbrg cld b Mke Tysn fr all n.e1 knws

& = wll b clear tht Philp Ntzshe & KL r dffrnt ppl b/ virtu of thr nmes & tht 1 of thm = in prisn & th/ othr = nt

Slf lookd thru th/ commnts & cld nt C n.e fearmngerng abt Nitrgn as a methd - jst sme pssble shady bsiness practces of sme ppl tht wre sellng equipmnt

 

[Das Nichts]

Wht wre th/ altern8tve fcts tho

Would have been helpful if she didn't nuke her posting. But what about this trifecta of facts ?

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

What happens after a successful exit is something that maybe not belong in this thread, but more in a thread about existential questions. And yet you take it for given that exactly that happens what you imagine or what you trying to escape by CTB. And no I don't assume that a failure after...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Sh/ mde speculatns abt th/ I.r.l identty of a prevs membr whch tbh no1 knws & cn prve eithr wy - Greenbrg cld b Mke Tysn fr all n.e1 knws

Yeah or he could just be Greenberg. Like you say yourself - speculates. In what way is this a benefit to meaningful discussion ?

Slf lookd thru th/ commnts & cld nt C n.e fearmngerng abt Nitrgn as a methd - jst sme pssble shady bsiness practces of sme ppl tht wre sellng equipmnt

In what way is this relevant today ? escmode is gone, you cant buy there anymore. Whats the connection to what is currently discussed in this thread ?
escmode sold hoods, we recommend hoods as opposed to exit bag because it's ready to use and avoids a lot of questions about building the exit bag and it's usage.

And what should I make of this gem ?

Guys please be very careful about trusting people on this site especially if they are directing you what to buy specifically.

This is spouting direct mistrust about the users who spend their time helping other people understanding inert gas / hood / SCBA.

I go as far and say everyone that starts looking into inert gas doesn't get it right the first time. So DMs are sent, links are sent back so people understand
the concept and also can start buying their setup.

Nobody in here runs a shop for welding equipment or firefighting gear, nobody cashes out. So this kind of nonsense is an insult to people like TiredHorse, Greenberg, and @GasMonkey who kept this thread alive until other people showed up and keep on putting in time answering posts and dms.

 

[Techef]

Id say the cheaper the pulse oxymeter, the more insensitive it will be the more cautious you have to be.

That's what I was thinking too. I figured the cheaper the pulse oximeter, the less sensitive/accurate and the larger % error there would be in measurement.

Here's a picture of my el-chapo 20 € oximeter, tests where done with a SCBA mask.

I really wish I could've put together a SCBA setup, since I could do a blackout test and have the mask fall off in case I passed out. The cost and accessibility of parts in the US was just such a pain in the arse...

 

[Das Nichts]

That's what I was thinking too. I figured the cheaper the pulse oximeter, the less sensitive/accurate and the larger % error there would be in measurement

Check out vizzys posts. I think he did some testing with am dummy head. Maybe his results satisfy your curiosity.

It can be done. Maybe the user how did this multiple times will chime in. I don't want to out anybody.

I really wish I could've put together a SCBA setup, since I could do a blackout test and have the mask fall off in case I passed out. The cost and accessibility of parts in the US was just such a pain in the arse...

I can understand you frustration. EU is really the region for all things inert gas.

 

[BrainDamageFromMob]

So if you have no problem with that adapter, that adapter will be the next solution for the SCBA setup.
There's also a DIN300 G5/8 to CGA-580 adapter in the US.
View attachment 120206

Is this the correct adapter for a Nitrogen tank with a CGA580 Valve? I'm in the U.S trying to get the correct nitrogen tank and adapter for DIN 300 connection.

I'm using a full face scuba mask with DIN 300 connection, to a CGA 580 valve, that means I can use the adapter you listed above correct? DIN 300 G5/8 to CGA 580?

So if you have no problem with that adapter, that adapter will be the next solution for the SCBA setup.
There's also a DIN300 G5/8 to CGA-580 adapter in the US.
View attachment 120206

I think I found the exact adapter you have pictured, however it is listed as 240 bar, is that ok to use with the 300bar DIN 1st stage regulator?

 

[ztem]

@BrainDamageFromMob I sent you the links.

I think I found the exact adapter you have pictured, however it is listed as 240 bar, is that ok to use with the 300bar DIN 1st stage regulator?

Yeah you can use the DIN200 adapter with a DIN300 reg.

 

[winterparty]

So I want to CTB now and I still don't have my hood back as all these things were stolen from me. I will use 25LPM and I was assured by multiple doctors online, bard/gpt that it's hard to wake someone up from severe cerebral hypoxia. It doesn't matter though for almost all people that want to use this method so maybe I wasn't clear enough about that. It matters to me as I'm in a very special situation but all answers I got were negative so you cannot wake someone up with a pain stimulus. Take it with a grain of salt because I am no medical doctor.

 

[Meditation guide]

So you fill the hood with nitrogen and pull it on? Then take a few deep breaths? Is that the procedure and how many breaths until blackout?

 

[ztem]

So you fill the hood with nitrogen and pull it on? Then take a few deep breaths? Is that the procedure and how many breaths until blackout?

Hold the EEBD/Rescue hood on your forehead,open the regulator's outlet and set the flow rate to 25LPM(~50-55 SCFH) and wait for 1min to pre-fill the hood,exhale fully(empty your lungs completely) and pull the hood down over your head(on your neck) and take a very deep breath of Nitrogen.

 

[outrider567]

So you fill the hood with nitrogen and pull it on? Then take a few deep breaths? Is that the procedure and how many breaths until blackout?

Ask Das_Nichts, he passed out using the 25 LPM rate, and only survived because he fell down and hit a cabinet

 

[Falling Slowly]

So you fill the hood with nitrogen and pull it on? Then take a few deep breaths? Is that the procedure and how many breaths until blackout?

According to the PPH, with an Exit Bag you become unconscious after 1 or 2 breaths (having previously hyperventilated before pulling down the bag). Some here have said it takes longer, about 30 seconds.

 

[outrider567]

So you fill the hood with nitrogen and pull it on? Then take a few deep breaths? Is that the procedure and how many breaths until blackout?

When I tested mine, after a few breaths at 15 LPM(pre-filled hood), I pulled the hood off when I saw my oxygen level drop to 80 on the oximeter, and it continued to drop to 46 the next 10 seconds, there is a delayed oximeter reading as the Nitrogen surges thru your body,replacing oxygen

According to the PPH, with an Exit Bag you become unconscious after 1 or 2 breaths (having previously hyperventilated before pulling down the bag). Some here have said it takes longer, about 30 seconds.

and as I've said before, that is bullshit, it is more like 5 to 10 breaths, not 1 or 2

 

[Meditation guide]

According to the PPH, with an Exit Bag you become unconscious after 1 or 2 breaths (having previously hyperventilated before pulling down the bag). Some here have said it takes longer, about 30 seconds.

Any idea what would happen if you don't completely empty your lungs first and still have some air in them?

 

[Falling Slowly]

Any idea what would happen if you don't completely empty your lungs first and still have some air in them?

It will just take a bit longer to become unconscious I presume, if you don't hyperventilate. You exhale as fully as you can before pulling down the bag/ hood, to try and empty the lungs .

Some say that you don't need to hyperventilate beforehand with an EEBD hood(one with an exhalation valve) as you can exhale any Co2 out the internal valve.

 

[Meditation guide]

It will just take a bit longer to become unconscious I presume, if you don't hyperventilate. You exhale as fully as you can before pulling down the bag/ hood, to try and empty the lungs .

Some say that you don't need to hyperventilate beforehand with an EEBD hood(one with an exhalation valve) as you can exhale any Co2 out the internal valve.

I have asthma and PPH said something about not using gas if you have breathing problems.

 

[NoFutureAnymore]

When I tested mine, after a few breaths at 15 LPM(pre-filled hood), I pulled the hood off when I saw my oxygen level drop to 80 on the oximeter, and it continued to drop to 46 the next 10 seconds, there is a delayed oximeter reading as the Nitrogen surges thru your body,replacing oxygen

I bought an oximeter too and I think there is indeed a delay, because the blood also has to flow from your lungs to your finger. I didn't test it with nitrogen yet, but with hyperventilating it took quite some time to see a difference.
Carbon monoxide replaces oxygen, not nitrogen. In case of pure nitrogen it's the lack of oxygen that kills you, so the oxygen level just goes down.

I have asthma and PPH said something about not using gas if you have breathing problems.

Isn't that because you need to hyperventilate with the exit bag? I don't think it's nitrogen itself. The lack of oxygen kills every human.

 

[winterparty]

so checking the hose for leaks can be done other than using a spray. How do you do this? Gasmonkey explained it to me but I was't entirely sure how to do it.

BTW: I can't CTB again. Someone was knocking at my door just in that moment to intimidate me. Now I need to find a good spot to do this.

 

[ztem]

so checking the hose for leaks can be done other than using a spray. How do you do this? Gasmonkey explained it to me but I was't entirely sure how to do it.

Soapy water is the best way to check for leaks, just make sure the connection between the regulator and the cylinder is leak free.You can also open the cylinder valve and the regulator's outlet and check the connection between the regulator's outlet thread and the coupler's thread(or the connection between the coupler and the plug of the hose) with soapy water.

 

[Dot]

Am nt sre wht hs happnd recntly wth inablty 2 dscuss methds w/o lowrng t/ childsh mud-slingng & accusatns bt = goin2 stp

If sme1 asks a questn - jst answr thm

If thr infrmatn = wrng & thy d/ nt hve in-dpth knowldge of a methd thn eithr educ8 thm or refr thm t/ rsourcs or mve on t/ anothr commnt

Ths = nt hgh-schl & no1 els gets 2 dcide 'wh/ b-lngs hre' & wh/ ds nt