Don’t Jump If you survive you’ll regret it.

[Disabledfromjump7]

I've seen a few posts lately about jumping. It's a bad method to ctb. Don't jump and disable yourself.

 

[solely.pain]

Isn't it a good method as long as it's high enough and you land head first?

 

[-less-]

Isn't it a good method as long as it's high enough and you land head first?

I imagine so, but I worry that survival instincts would kick in last minute and stop me from landing on my head. I wonder if jumping off a bridge might be a better method because there I'd want to belly flop rather than dive. And if I don't die on impact, I'd likely be too disabled to swim, so I'd drown. Plus it comes with automatic body disposal. I'm just speculating, though.

 

[MonkeyButter]

unless you are a professional diver how do you expect to reliably land on your head? Once you leave the ledge there is nothing to use to correct your fall.

I've seen a few posts lately about jumping. It's a bad method to ctb. Don't jump and disable yourself.

Would you tell us how far you fell? Morbid curiosity.

 

[solely.pain]

unless you are a professional diver how do you expect to reliably land on your head? Once you leave the ledge there is nothing to use to correct your fall.

yeah, it probably isn't too reliable to land on your head. But does it even matter that much if it's above 150 feet onto concrete or 250 feet for water?

 

[sometimelater]

that story from one of the 9/11 firefighters about how a jumper was still alive with a completely pulverized bottom half still conscious enough to ask him if she was going to be ok made me realize this, yeah you should never jump. especially not into water, imagine drowning with disabled legs and arms

 

[MonkeyButter]

yeah, it probably isn't too reliable to land on your head. But does it even matter that much if it's above 150 feet onto concrete or 250 feet for water?

Its so many more variables than just the height and the material landed on. You could land on your feet and your body could absorb the impact instead of your brain leaving you in terrible shape but alive.

hat story from one of the 9/11 firefighters about how a jumper was still alive with a completely pulverized bottom half still conscious enough to ask him if she was going to be ok made me realize this, yeah you should never jump. especially not into water, imagine drowning with disabled legs and arms

kinda like this. But remember that was decades ago and nowadays there are even more ways to keep such a person alive but in great pain. The white Christian nationalist death cult which runs the united states just loves seeing literal husks of humanity kept alive on life support. You gotta remember what pro-life really means, pro-suffering. It is entirely possible that some well meaning paramedics scrape up whats left of you and drag you to a hospital where millions would be spent rebuilding you into some monstrosity.

 

[SASU-KE]

I've seen a few posts lately about jumping. It's a bad method to ctb. Don't jump and disable yourself.

Is your PFP an X-ray of the damage?

 

[Disabledfromjump7]

Is your PFP an X-ray of the damage?

Yes. That is me.

 

[suicidalcatlady]

There's someone from the UK that jumped from a building near their ward and now is permanently in a wheelchair and has a catheter etc. it's so fucking terrifying. I'm lucky that I recovered, and I didn't even jump. Just had physical injuries from other causes

 

[Somewhat Suicidal]

Yeah, seems like one every day really. I usually just link the 8 story jump thread at this point and your username is also good to link I guess.
Sorry for how it didn't work for you and the disability...

that story from one of the 9/11 firefighters about how a jumper was still alive with a completely pulverized bottom half still conscious enough to ask him if she was going to be ok made me realize this, yeah you should never jump. especially not into water, imagine drowning with disabled legs and arms

literally watched that today.
You mean the poc paramedic, right?

 

[yui_suicisawa]

Jumping was my method for a while due to low cost and ease of access but I've changed my mind due to stories like yours. They're frighteningly common. I was considering a bridge famous near my hometown for suicides but it's a gamble that's not worth the loss... I just remember looking below a cliff and thinking to myself "If this goes wrong itll be worse than living." Jumping seriously only works when you've got a stupendous amount of height and a clear drop. Mine was blocked by branches and trees.

 

[Disabledfromjump7]

Yeah, seems like one every day really. I usually just link the 8 story jump thread at this point and your username is also good to link I guess.

I'm not sure I can talk people out of it either. It's freeing to jump without a care in world but it's also so wreckless. I wish this hadn't of happened to me…. death is for sure preferable than this.

People just see a bridge and think they will die! :(

 

[kompyany]

I think before discussing any method, we have to describe the specifics of the examples you bring up in full detail — things like height, buffers and body posture. Otherwise it's no different from material that glorifies or graphically depicts suicide.

Just like we wouldn't use cases with flawed execution — such as an insufficient SN dosage, improperly tied knots, or poorly assembled inert gas setups — to prove a method does not work.

If someone jumps from the 7th floor, I suspect the outcome may hinge on the height. Where I live, there have been many jumping incidents. Those who survived were either below the 10th floor, or had a canopy or large tree breaking their fall.

This height lands right in the zone where the risk of severe disability is the highest, while the fatality risk remains moderate. At lower heights, the odds of death are low, and injuries may be more recoverable. At greater heights, injuries are far more devastating, but the chance of death becomes extremely high. I have never heard of anyone surviving a fall from the teens, twenties or thirties of floors with no buffer; it is extremely unlikely. The only survivor case I know involves a small child who fell from the 17th floor. She was caught by thick foliage, and her body weight was very low.

 

[Somewhat Suicidal]

things like height, buffers and body posture. Otherwise it's no different from material that glorifies or graphically depicts suicide.

Just like we wouldn't use cases with flawed execution — such as an insufficient SN dosage, improperly tied knots, or poorly assembled inert gas setups — to prove a method does not work.

Problem is that SN or most other methods are just easy and straightforward to do right, while jumping and especially body posture while doing so is not unless you are a trained high diver.
See the example from the woman who jumped from WTC in 2001 for literally around 400m onto concrete type floor, landed legs first and somehow lived for several minutes. It's somewhere in the national geographic documentation 9/11: One day America, I think part 2 or 3, could be 4 as well.
Surely this is not likely to survive, but these extreme cases show it's possible. There was even a sky diver who survived it from 3600m (falling into some kind of bush tho) although I'm pretty sure 400 and 3600 don't make much difference as you probably reach top speed with both due to air drag being the limiting factor.

I'm not sure I can talk people out of it either. It's freeing to jump without a care in world but it's also so wreckless. I wish this hadn't of happened to me…. death is for sure preferable than this.

People just see a bridge and think they will die! :(

As morbid as it may sound, I really hope you (and the few others here that have done and suffered the same) can serve as bad examples. SaSu definitely kept me from trying something stupid like this, although I might just not have had the guts anyway.

I'm still so, so sorry that you guys had to go through it, it's a tragedy and it makes me sad. Sending 1000 hugs and hopefully you can CTB otherwise if that's what you wish or find peace in living somehow

 

[kompyany]

Problem is that SN or most other methods are just easy and straightforward to do right, while jumping and especially body posture while doing so is not unless you are a trained high diver.
See the example from the woman who jumped from WTC in 2001 for literally around 400m onto concrete type floor, landed legs first and somehow lived for several minutes. It's somewhere in the national geographic documentation 9/11: One day America, I think part 2 or 3, could be 4 as well.
Surely this is not likely to survive, but these extreme cases show it's possible. There was even a sky diver who survived it from 3600m (falling into some kind of bush tho) although I'm pretty sure 400 and 3600 don't make much difference as you probably reach top speed with both due to air drag being the limiting factor.


As morbid as it may sound, I really hope you (and the few others here that have done and suffered the same) can serve as bad examples. SaSu definitely kept me from trying something stupid like this, although I might just not have had the guts anyway.

I'm still so, so sorry that you guys had to go through it, it's a tragedy and it makes me sad. Sending 1000 hugs and hopefully you can CTB otherwise if that's what you wish or find peace in living somehow

Sorry, I couldn't track down the exact source for these two cases. The woman in the first case did fall, yet there is no record proving she lived for several minutes after impact; most available records state instant death. If this comes from firefighters' oral accounts, it's hard to verify — human memory is prone to distortion. As for the second case, if you refer to the WWII airman, he did survive. His fall was from 5000–7000 meters. Above a certain altitude, the terminal velocity is roughly the same as at 3000 meters. Still, he was caught by deep snow and thick treetops. Snow is a classic buffer that has saved many fall victims, and this still falls within the variables we are discussing.

Yes, even SN, gunshot, and hanging have survivors. But should we dismiss the efficacy of these methods merely from these failed cases?
If we follow this reasoning using extreme anecdotes, the conclusion becomes: do not attempt suicide, since no one can guarantee success.

Can I understand your point this way? You argue that landing posture cannot be controlled, so falling is not as predictable as other methods. My view, however, is that variables such as buffer medium, height and landing posture carry different weights, and some parts can be controlled artificially.

When the height is sufficient, for example from the 20th floor, terminal velocity will be reached. Under this condition, the impact of landing posture is greatly diminished. You only need to make sure there are no large tree canopies or big awnings underneath. Things like a thin layer of snow on the ground do not need to be considered, as thin snow cannot provide effective cushioning. On the contrary, if the height is insufficient, for instance only 5 meters, even with a head-first posture and no buffers, death is unlikely.

Therefore, the core for a fall is securing adequate height and confirming no buffers below. Once these two requirements are met, the uncontrollable factor of landing posture is no longer critical.

Many people fear falls because many attempters inadvertently end up in unfavorable conditions, resulting in severe non-fatal trauma. Lack of understanding of the mechanics of a method directly raises the chance of failure and severe disability.

I believe falls cannot be lumped together with drug overdoses (ODs). Drug overdoses have verifiably low lethality, while high falls that meet the criteria have proven lethal in real-world cases.

 

[KarmaKat]

had jumping as a dirty next-best-thing to somehow getting my hands on a gun for a while now...

can't really find a tall place I could reliably get to...

what a fucking joke, didn't ask to be here and now I can't even leave without a whole hassle.

 

[Somewhat Suicidal]

yet there is no record proving she lived for several minutes after impact. most available records state instant death. If this comes from firefighters' oral accounts, it's hard to verify — human memory is prone to distortion.

there is, the FDNY paramedic who walked past her and talked to her, telling her everything will be alright. She was alive anyway, was the point and could have been helped if it wasn't for the grand scheme of things in this particular instance (total chaos, not comparable to average suicide attempt). How much believe you lend to that guy is ofc subjective.

As for the second case, if you refer to the WWII airman, he did survive. His fall was from 5000–7000 meters.

I meant a different case, much more recent, but I don't know where to find it either, also cba to look for it tbh. I'm not considering jumping for many reasons and looking to waste time on researching it. Was 3600m as stated and just a recreational sky dive where the chute didn't open.

Above a certain altitude, the terminal velocity is roughly the same as at 3000 meters.

Much less than 3000m is needed to reach terminal velocity of around 250 km/h (roughly 70 m/s) due to air drag. Takes only 8-10 seconds (would be only 7 without air drag during the acceleration phase) so the WTC is probably roughly high enough with 400 as stated before, close to it anyway.

most available records state instant death.

Never disputed that really, I just said it's an unsafe method with enormous risks compared to others... But the stats shared by @sadbh—itstimetogo🤎 in another thread actually paint a pretty clear picture, success rates for suicide by jumping from a meta study are generally only around 45%, which is surprisingly low even to me.

Yes, even SN, gunshot, and hanging have survivors.

Sure, but first of all, way higher success rates. (80-90% according to the quoted metastudy), secondly, apart form gunshots, much less likely to even have any long term damage while it's basically assured with jumping. SN and hanging really only have survivors if done wrongly or found early, both of which can be avoided easily. Landing wrong when jumping cannot or not for most people.

But should we dismiss the efficacy of these methods merely from these failed cases?
If we follow this reasoning using extreme anecdotes, the conclusion becomes: do not attempt suicide, since no one can guarantee success.

No, we shouldn't and aren't for well established reasons and since we can look at the statistical facts about all these methods, nothing of that is anecdotal... Anecdotes here were merely extreme examples to prove there is literally always a risk to survive jumping, even in extreme scenarios.

When the height is sufficient, for example from the 20th floor, terminal velocity will be reached.

No, as explained above, need more like 100 floors / 400-500m for that. Terminal velocity is tho – as pointed out – guaranteeing death anyway, see anecdotes...

Sorry to say and not meaning to be offensive in any way, but you're building fallacious assumptions on top of one another, which makes all the conclusions sadly nonsensical.

Many people fear falls because many attempters inadvertently end up in unfavorable conditions, resulting in severe non-fatal trauma. Lack of understanding of the mechanics of a method directly raises the chance of failure and severe disability.

Yes the likelyhood of dying is pretty good from 400m but the potential damage if not successful is still much higher than with most methods that are considered good in this forum vs bad (jumping)... the stakes are just much, much higher.
Arguably, ending up a vegetable even is better than being physically impaired for life and completely lucid to suffer through it while being impaired to even try most methods from then onward... At least that is my take on the matter.

The only thing that jumping has going for it is that it's really easy to obtain as a method, so to speak. I mean feel free to do what you feel is right, but the facts, statistics and stakes just aren't in favour of trying this ever.

believe falls cannot be lumped together with drug overdoses (ODs). Drug overdoses have verifiably low lethality, while high falls that meet the criteria have proven lethal in real-world cases.

Still higher than jumping in the overall statistic, around 50%. Also a bad / non-method tho unless you do multiple drugs and know your pharmacology which makes it not really an OD anymore, but a poison method, These tend to work.