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blacktrain98

blacktrain98

suicide raaaah
Sep 11, 2020
33
People who are depressed and suicidal have a tendency to dig their own hole. It's much easier for us to embrace the downward spiral than to tackle the hard realities of life and to try and push past them.

I expect this is what the person meant - he assumes this site encourages us to embrace the downward spiral, as we all have a similar thought process. It could be like an "echo chamber" for the suicidal.

I can see where he's coming from, because we humans are all social creatures and no man is an island. We gather around people like us and reinforce our own beliefs, which is usually a good thing. Maybe not on a suicidal forum, though.

I think it is a good thing. In the age of social media with an ever-growing population of lonely people, why should depressed people be further isolated and shamed? SS only exists because suicide and depression is taboo and banned elsewhere.

People are so worried about suicide contagion and echo chambers and ~evil online influences~ to the point where they would rather completely isolate an already lonely type of people, as if that would fix more issues than it would create.

eh but a thousand people have already said all of this, and I'm just yapping.
 
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m_h_d

Member
Mar 9, 2024
22
The CEO of the Canadian Mental Health Association - someone whose (probably) comfortable income, social capital and self-image depends on the availability of those whom society deems ill or unstable objects to this site?

Forgive me for being cynical but it appears that the self-declared experts see the users of this site as a resource to be exploited. By relying on and helping each other we threaten their revenue stream.

If this site was not beneficial - within parameters set by the users - it would not have visitors.
 
lifeingrey

lifeingrey

grey
Mar 25, 2024
2
Hi everyone. Just out of curiousity, a while ago there was a report about this forum where the CEO of the Canadian Mental Health Association said that "[...]there is no value to this site, it doesn't benefit anyone - in fact it does quite the opposite[...]", defending the position that this forum shouldn't exist and it made me curious, is that true? Like, that person is obviously talking down to us, over us, pretending they know what we want, when they claim this forum doesn't benefit anyone despite there being clearly a demand for website like this one, right. And it seems to me people are making an account and participating here voluntarily, so I'd assume there must be some value to this website for the people who are using it. It's also important to fact-check these claims given this person seems to speak for the CMHA and it would be interesting to know if these people even remotely understand what goes on in the minds of suicidal people, if they understand what our needs and desires are and how we want society to treat us.

It seems to me these people think want to be treated like children and have other people decide what we're allowed to see and research online and what decisions we're allowed to make while I do think that people who use this forum want some degree of autonomy and a right to make their decisions regarding their own welfare and decide for themselves how they want to live this life and when they want to leave. That's how I want society to treat me, I found this forum in 2018 when I was in need for information to make my own decisions and a supportive community and I didn't agree with these experts that other people should have a right to tell me, as an autonomous adult, what I'm supposed to see online and which decisions I make for my own life, concerning my own welfare, are valid and appropiate and which aren't. I think these are deeply personal decisions and essentially nobody's business but mine. And I have a feeling that's echoed by a majority of people in this community.

So let's solve this dilemma. What do you think? I'd be curious to hear your opinion, feel free to explain your position in the comments below.
This site has remained the solemn place where I feel accepted to speak and exist without judgement or pressure. It's more often where I come to feel less alone in my state of mind. Where I know not only am I not crazy, but in fact there is hope that me and others can talk to each other to at least pass time and bring comfort to those in need.
 
BlissAssistance

BlissAssistance

Member
Mar 25, 2024
9
Hi everyone. Just out of curiousity, a while ago there was a report about this forum where the CEO of the Canadian Mental Health Association said that "[...]there is no value to this site, it doesn't benefit anyone - in fact it does quite the opposite[...]", defending the position that this forum shouldn't exist and it made me curious, is that true? Like, that person is obviously talking down to us, over us, pretending they know what we want, when they claim this forum doesn't benefit anyone despite there being clearly a demand for website like this one, right. And it seems to me people are making an account and participating here voluntarily, so I'd assume there must be some value to this website for the people who are using it. It's also important to fact-check these claims given this person seems to speak for the CMHA and it would be interesting to know if these people even remotely understand what goes on in the minds of suicidal people, if they understand what our needs and desires are and how we want society to treat us.

It seems to me these people think want to be treated like children and have other people decide what we're allowed to see and research online and what decisions we're allowed to make while I do think that people who use this forum want some degree of autonomy and a right to make their decisions regarding their own welfare and decide for themselves how they want to live this life and when they want to leave. That's how I want society to treat me, I found this forum in 2018 when I was in need for information to make my own decisions and a supportive community and I didn't agree with these experts that other people should have a right to tell me, as an autonomous adult, what I'm supposed to see online and which decisions I make for my own life, concerning my own welfare, are valid and appropiate and which aren't. I think these are deeply personal decisions and essentially nobody's business but mine. And I have a feeling that's echoed by a majority of people in this community.

So let's solve this dilemma. What do you think? I'd be curious to hear your opinion, feel free to explain your position in the comments below.
i think this site is a great place to consolidate ideas and thoughts about suicide, and to distribute materials, methods, and help. i've learned a lot from here in 10 minutes than anywhere else in the world, and it feels so comforting to know we're not alone nor entirely neglected.
 
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mighthavebeen

Member
Sep 22, 2022
11
Hi everyone. Just out of curiousity, a while ago there was a report about this forum where the CEO of the Canadian Mental Health Association said that "[...]there is no value to this site, it doesn't benefit anyone - in fact it does quite the opposite[...]", defending the position that this forum shouldn't exist and it made me curious, is that true? Like, that person is obviously talking down to us, over us, pretending they know what we want, when they claim this forum doesn't benefit anyone despite there being clearly a demand for website like this one, right. And it seems to me people are making an account and participating here voluntarily, so I'd assume there must be some value to this website for the people who are using it. It's also important to fact-check these claims given this person seems to speak for the CMHA and it would be interesting to know if these people even remotely understand what goes on in the minds of suicidal people, if they understand what our needs and desires are and how we want society to treat us.

It seems to me these people think want to be treated like children and have other people decide what we're allowed to see and research online and what decisions we're allowed to make while I do think that people who use this forum want some degree of autonomy and a right to make their decisions regarding their own welfare and decide for themselves how they want to live this life and when they want to leave. That's how I want society to treat me, I found this forum in 2018 when I was in need for information to make my own decisions and a supportive community and I didn't agree with these experts that other people should have a right to tell me, as an autonomous adult, what I'm supposed to see online and which decisions I make for my own life, concerning my own welfare, are valid and appropiate and which aren't. I think these are deeply personal decisions and essentially nobody's business but mine. And I have a feeling that's echoed by a majority of people in this community.

So let's solve this dilemma. What do you think? I'd be curious to hear your opinion, feel free to explain your position in the comments below.
This site has brought me so much peace. Knowing that I have a way out and knowing that others feel the same and that suicide isn't a selfish act really helps me. Whenever things get rough, I can come on the site and work on my plan and/or see that I'm not alone in my pain or thoughts and I'm not wrong to feel this way. Also going through the memes helps me in the moment and I can actually relax. I am so grateful that I found this site. 🙏
It's just comforting
Yep
^^ This ^^
I am chronically ill and was going to catch the bus with or without SaSu. However, what I've learnt here will allow me to ctb in a much more peaceful way than I ever could have done on my own. I hate to think how I would have ended up without that knowledge.
That has given me an immense amount of peace and comfort.

Plus, the community here just understands.
I feel the same
 
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waitingforme

Member
Mar 25, 2024
19
I'm new here and it's the first site where I can really feel I'm not going to be blown off with a "things will get better" or my favorite "time heals everything"
The pain I feel from people's words shows I'm not alone iat a time I've never felt so lonely in my life.
 
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jumpman133

Member
Mar 27, 2024
8
Hi everyone. Just out of curiousity, a while ago there was a report about this forum where the CEO of the Canadian Mental Health Association said that "[...]there is no value to this site, it doesn't benefit anyone - in fact it does quite the opposite[...]", defending the position that this forum shouldn't exist and it made me curious, is that true? Like, that person is obviously talking down to us, over us, pretending they know what we want, when they claim this forum doesn't benefit anyone despite there being clearly a demand for website like this one, right. And it seems to me people are making an account and participating here voluntarily, so I'd assume there must be some value to this website for the people who are using it. It's also important to fact-check these claims given this person seems to speak for the CMHA and it would be interesting to know if these people even remotely understand what goes on in the minds of suicidal people, if they understand what our needs and desires are and how we want society to treat us.

It seems to me these people think want to be treated like children and have other people decide what we're allowed to see and research online and what decisions we're allowed to make while I do think that people who use this forum want some degree of autonomy and a right to make their decisions regarding their own welfare and decide for themselves how they want to live this life and when they want to leave. That's how I want society to treat me, I found this forum in 2018 when I was in need for information to make my own decisions and a supportive community and I didn't agree with these experts that other people should have a right to tell me, as an autonomous adult, what I'm supposed to see online and which decisions I make for my own life, concerning my own welfare, are valid and appropiate and which aren't. I think these are deeply personal decisions and essentially nobody's business but mine. And I have a feeling that's echoed by a majority of people in this community.

So let's solve this dilemma. What do you think? I'd be curious to hear your opinion, feel free to explain your position in the comments below.

Hi everyone. Just out of curiousity, a while ago there was a report about this forum where the CEO of the Canadian Mental Health Association said that "[...]there is no value to this site, it doesn't benefit anyone - in fact it does quite the opposite[...]", defending the position that this forum shouldn't exist and it made me curious, is that true? Like, that person is obviously talking down to us, over us, pretending they know what we want, when they claim this forum doesn't benefit anyone despite there being clearly a demand for website like this one, right. And it seems to me people are making an account and participating here voluntarily, so I'd assume there must be some value to this website for the people who are using it. It's also important to fact-check these claims given this person seems to speak for the CMHA and it would be interesting to know if these people even remotely understand what goes on in the minds of suicidal people, if they understand what our needs and desires are and how we want society to treat us.

It seems to me these people think want to be treated like children and have other people decide what we're allowed to see and research online and what decisions we're allowed to make while I do think that people who use this forum want some degree of autonomy and a right to make their decisions regarding their own welfare and decide for themselves how they want to live this life and when they want to leave. That's how I want society to treat me, I found this forum in 2018 when I was in need for information to make my own decisions and a supportive community and I didn't agree with these experts that other people should have a right to tell me, as an autonomous adult, what I'm supposed to see online and which decisions I make for my own life, concerning my own welfare, are valid and appropiate and which aren't. I think these are deeply personal decisions and essentially nobody's business but mine. And I have a feeling that's echoed by a majority of people in this community.

So let's solve this dilemma. What do you think? I'd be curious to hear your opinion, feel free to explain your position in the comments below.
I'm shocked there are any no votes. If you're a member here you will certainly see the benefit of nonjudgmental conversation.
 
depressedカリちゃん

depressedカリちゃん

I only exist online
Mar 27, 2024
48
reassurance that my feelings and thoughts are valid. To speak freely is so relieving. For Society it's a Topic that nobody is allowed to talk about. "Don't kill your self" wow and then.
The website is so modern designed and well thought out.
And even the fact that you really can find help if you want or just vent this is just the right place to be!🫡❤️
 
beaten96

beaten96

Member
Jan 26, 2024
47
It's nice to be somewhere that I'm not made to feel insane for wanting to be dead already.. and everybody generally agrees life is bullshit.. and it all means nothing pretty much.. and it's not just cop out after cop out.. life is beautiful.. you need to want to live.. you need to want life.. of course I'm not telling my doctors how i really feel anymore.. why would I do that.. making shit easy for them after all they've put me through.. they can all die in a fucking fire and go straight to hell.. stay alive for what.. so they can keep torturing me.. what's the fucking point of life.. they better get it together.. their clock has done tocked .. they're out of time.. and what's worse. They think they have all the time in the world.. I fuuucking haaate doctors.. they don't care about my life.. they care about their ego for failing if I end my life and they didnt "save" it.. because of how that reflects on them and their career.. they are not getting their shit under control.. and they are failing so bad it's not even funny anymore..

anyways this site helps.. it's always nice to know I'm not the only one.. if doctors had any idea there is an entire community of us helping each other off ourselves.. they really have no clue how fucking fed up and over it we are.. I'd love to watch the heads explode off some doctors necks at them seeing how badly they've really failed..

Seriously.. I think if psychiatrists and therapists came in here.. they'd have a fucking stroke.. we all want to die and we all help each other do just that.. my ex is a surgeon.. he would lose his god damned mind.. he knows I've had problems with it.. but he didn't know that I've survived attempts I've made.. he doesn't know that I'm really bad.. have been for years.. hospitalized I don't know how many times.. and like they don't even factor in all the trauma from surviving attempts.. nothing.. they're all such fucking idiots.. especially my attempts.. one of them was really bad.. I dehydrated myself to death.. i was almost dead before the cops found me.. I didn't eat or drink for a week.. I weighed about 100 pounds when they found me.. it took a very long hospital stay and two years to recover.. that's my worst attempt.. he doesn't know I've actually attempted.. apparently trying to dehydrate oneself and going through with it for a full week.. is particularly disturbing for some reason.. it's like extra scary to them for some reason.. one doctor asked me about why I have the will power for that.. and the determination., they do not get it.. I do not give a fuck about being alive.. it's nice to be understood about that.. and there isn't a bunch of of cop outs.. ohhh.. it will get better. Take these drugs and do this therapy and blah blah.. and watch. It will all be better.. my ass:. My fucking ass.. I've done all the therapies.. all the drugs. Nothing.. it's only gotten a trillion times worse.. and nothing makes it stop.. nothing makes them go away or stop. They're all so stupid and worthless and pathetic..

Nice to be around people that know there is no such thing as happiness or love or hope in life.. it's all a lie..
 
StarFaded

StarFaded

Member
Aug 24, 2022
80
I am extremely grateful for this site. I feel very alone in my suffering. I can't talk to anyone I know about my situation, but this site has been a reprieve for me.

Unfortunately the painless, cleaner methods discussed here are not available to me. I deeply regret not buying SN two years ago when I had the chance. I wish the site could be more helpful to me in this regard.
 
NSA

NSA

Your friendly neighborhood agent
Feb 21, 2022
257
I'm currently using this place to grind up enough motivation to call a damn doctor already and get my meds back after 3+ years of crippling stagnation. Take that Minister of whatever.
 
Blue Elephant

Blue Elephant

Specialist
Sep 22, 2023
377
I just want to say Thank you! to @RainAndSadness and the other admins for creating and maintaining this platform, this space for us where we can meet unfortunate but bright spirits and help each-other in any way we can. I also want to say Thank you! to so many members of this community for sharing care and wisdom.
 
disabledlife

disabledlife

Specialist
Jun 5, 2020
342
This forum is the only community to which I feel like I belong, otherwise I am almost alone.

I created threads on this forum to tell you about my horrible life, disabled, chronically ill, incurable... abused during childhood.

In ordinary society, what's more, in my country, known for its dirty mentality (especially by foreigners), I am rejected, that it is my fault if I was born disabled, with horrible parents, that I I haven't succeeded in my life (my life, my studies were stolen from me)...

I created threads on this forum to tell you about the massive lynching that I suffered from an association of gifted people (internationally recognized, and even if this only concerns the local branch of my country) which claimed to be a community of peaceful support, moral support, when it is narcissistic people (for the most part), who belittle others, spread gossip, gossip girls, shoot vulnerable people in the back, elitist... So a disabled, who complains about his life, just to have moral support, it bothered them, and they lynched me, talked trash about me to as many people as possible, rejected me, ghosted me,....

It is in this forum that I was able to have real support for my complaints, and I am extremely grateful to you, it is my only way out, and, paradoxically, allowed me to avoid a hasty and extremely violent CTB!

Since this forum has existed, I no longer complain elsewhere, it has helped me. In fact, I cut ties with most of the people who are toxic, those around me in my country (I feel like a foreigner in my country), I ghosted the association (I am still a member, in this shitty local antenna, reluctantly, but only to go and see foreign branches and their members).

Like, with this forum, this community, I know that I can be listened to, when I need to vent anger, or simply have moral support, or give support too. I no longer feel forced to evacuate my feelings elsewhere, with the risks of rejection, lynching, gossip, which I usually suffered before having known this forum. I am less subject to the risk of forced hospitalization, I am finally breathing (even if my health is still deteriorating, without hope)!

Opponents of this forum criticize the "suicide" part of the forum, but if it weren't for this "suicide" part, many people would have CTB out of desperation, violently, hastily, etc., because they didn't feel not listened to, understood, helped in their desire to leave. The simple fact of feeling listened to, that we provide them with help, methods, approaches, and also support, is enough to, paradoxically, live a little longer in this brutal world, knowing that at any moment, there will always be support to be able to escape from this world, from this life, at any time, with the peaceful effect of the moral support of this community, generally peaceful! I am grateful to you! This forum is, for many people, and many more people since the coronavirus crisis, which has destroyed mental health throughout the world, the only place, the last place to decide about one's life, end of life, etc. , in the absence of the legalization of assisted suicide or euthanasia (and that access to this right is not too strict).

No offense to pro-lifers, opponents, prison guards, this forum does not encourage CTB, it leaves the choice, in addition to moral support, which encourages, precisely to live, because we are less alone, we have exit solutions, and also because, in this forum, there is a part of "recovery", to help people to live (it is forbidden to talk about CTB in this part of the forum). Everyone can do what they want with their life without being judged, and this freedom still makes you want to live, or even restart your life, if that is possible and desired. Many people thanked this forum, our community for all this, knowing that it was practically impossible elsewhere! It is certainly not the paternalism of hospitals, hotlines, laws, which, with their contempt, were going to help people live.

This forum should be a perfect example for society to question itself, and be peaceful, benevolent, everywhere in the world, unless this society voluntarily creates distress, for example, to sell medicines, weapons of war, consumerism...!

Thank you very much @RainAndSadness for your forum administration, good luck and I hope this forum longer exist!
 
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StarryEyed

Member
Mar 14, 2024
55
I have lived in two countries (in the 2nd one now) that have laws against suicide, with forced confinement and forced "treatment" (i.e. forced institutional confinement and forced toxic medications - at the very least) for even thinking about suicide. As a result, I have been taught to be terrified by my own thoughts of suicide, and become crippled by these thoughts. Now, at the age of 60, after struggling for 30 years with these thoughts, I have finally found this safe place to talk about my thoughts. In just the couple of weeks since joining, my suicidal thinking has improved more than it has in 30 years. Fuck you Canadian Mental Health Association. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you fucking fuckers. Good riddance. And thank you Sanctioned Suicide and members. 🤗🥰
 
Blue Elephant

Blue Elephant

Specialist
Sep 22, 2023
377
Welcome @StarryEyed! Thank you for being part of this group! <3
 
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Blank_Slate

Member
Mar 26, 2024
26
Why would someone come to this site if it didn't benefit them lmao?
I'd be surprised if there was a single vote for No.
To play devil's advocate - why do gambling addicts go to the casino? Is it because it benefits them?
 
NSA

NSA

Your friendly neighborhood agent
Feb 21, 2022
257
To play devil's advocate - why do gambling addicts go to the casino? Is it because it benefits them?
If their addiction is morbid curiosity and/or a need to be needlessly contriararian maybe. Even then though this site does in fact satisfy them, so lol they just have no self awareness.
 
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lostforever77

lostforever77

Member
Dec 13, 2023
80
Rain. Honestly I wish we could talk more. I have been here for a while now. Of course this sites benefits people. Do you know how many people have no outlet for this type of thing? how judgmental the world is. Being trans, I know it all to well. you talk about this and they put you away, but honestly most people just need an outlet. Then there are others that have chronic illness and that is so sad.
 
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Blank_Slate

Member
Mar 26, 2024
26
If their addiction is morbid curiosity and/or a need to be needlessly contriararian maybe. Even then though this site does in fact satisfy them, so lol they just have no self awareness.
"needlessly contrarian" - disagreeing with you means that I'm being needlessly contrarian? Are you God Emperor? The fact that people use something is categorically not evidence that it benefits them. Are you here just to bully people?
 
NSA

NSA

Your friendly neighborhood agent
Feb 21, 2022
257
"needlessly contrarian" - disagreeing with you means that I'm being needlessly contrarian? Are you God Emperor? The fact that people use something is categorically not evidence that it benefits them. Are you here just to bully people?
I wasn't talking about you. I'm struggling to articulate what I meant now, but sorry about it coming out wrong.
 
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StarryEyed

Member
Mar 14, 2024
55
Oddly enough, whenever I'm not on the site, I feel much more suicidal than when I'm on it. Browsing the site helps remove the shame of contemplating ending one's life without endorsing it.
Me too! Having candid conversations on this forum with this quarantined part of myself that is lonely, angry, frustrated, despondent, hopeless, helpless, confused, exhausted, sad and overwhelmed is like the sun shining on the dead part of me. I say the dead part of me because I have never given a voice to this suicidal part of me, as I had these feelings quarantined. So for all intents and purposes, this part of me was dead before coming to this forum. So maybe I don't want to die? Maybe, just maybe, it's just that my dead part wants life? Or maybe I will finally off myself? We'll see.
 
ChiefSeattle

ChiefSeattle

Member
Apr 3, 2024
25
I'm chronically ill and in a lot of daily pain. This site helped me acquire a peaceful method to exit this life if and when I choose to do so, and for that I'm thankful.
What is the peaceful method ?
 

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