Do you think torture can be justified for example of terrorists?

[noname223]

I followed the news around the Moscow terrorists a lot.

Here is an article about them. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-attack-moscow-03-25-24/index.html

They tried to flee the country and were caught alive. Which is a major mistake if you do a crime like that in Russia.

They were extremely tortured. In court it was visible how they were tortured. One guy had only one ear left. One guy was braindead they probably cut his penis off. Another guy was raped. Probably all of them were raped also with electroshocks at the testicles and in the butthole. The torture was filmed and shared on Russian social media.

Honestly, please Chancellor of Germany invest more into our military. Bro, if Russia takes over Germany. I will regret I did not die in 2024 so much. They will also do this to innocent civilans.

There was a Russian Youtuber who is against Putin. She said something like you probably don't mind the torture of terrorists. But if they do it to them they will also torture innocent people.

Tbh I think torture cannot be justified. In some cases it might feel right. But we become monsters ourselves if we let something like that happen. Even if there is full proof they were the perpetrators. Of course there should be a just punishment. But human rights count for all humans. These people probably get tortured in the most severe form for the next decades. They probably regretted not dying after the first night. This must be unimaginable.

I have also some doubts in free will. There might be a small part of free decisions. I am not sure. But we are mostly a product of our genes, environment and upbringing.

 

[bankai]

I can't justify it because these people end up grabbing innocent people off the street that they suspect of terrorism and then torture them to get a confession. And yes, they'll get the confession under duress. And it can happen to anyone, even you or me.

 

[Dejected 55]

What is the point of torturing someone?

1. Is it for punishment or revenge? IF so, how does that make you different from them? Capturing dangerous people and sequestering them from general society to protect everyone else always makes sense. Reasonable punishment for their crimes also makes sense. Then you either need to genuinely try and rehabilitate OR conclude that you must keep them locked away forever. In some cases you can justify the death penalty, less as a punishment for the crime and more as a formal final protection of everyone else by removing the danger from society. But anything beyond that, torture, is only done to make you feel good... and if you feel good bringing torture to someone else, maybe you ought to be sequestered from society as well.

2. Have you captured someone you believe has important information that could endanger others? You want to question them for the information. Okay, that makes sense. But torture has proven to be completely unreliable as a means of obtaining useful information. Why? Either they tell you what they think you want to hear to end their torture, and that information may or may not be truthful or useful... OR they tell you nothing because they are trained to withstand it. Again, you're back in the trap of torturing them because you enjoy it on some level and think they deserve it.

It's a lot like the people who cheer prison rape because "if you're in prison you deserve to be raped." Then you try and act like you think rape is horrible when you've clearly admitted that you think sometimes rape is good and justified and earned... and that just means your line in the sand is slightly different from where the rapists is... so how you do condemn rape to send someone to prison when you equally cheer someone else being raped in prison?

I don't even care how this might ruffle some feathers... Anyone who is in favor of torture is not someone I want around me.