Discussion Do you still fear in death despite wanting to commit suicide?

[vyvanceandvodka]

Yes. That's the reason I'm still here. I'm an atheist, former Christian. I wasn't as scared to die when I believed in an afterlife.

 

[badatparties]

Yeah. I guess the negative motivation is stronger. I don't want to stand up people who are counting on me.

Interesting, you can go to work and all, but not the grocery store. Someone needs to study your mind lol.

 

[webb&flow]

Interesting, you can go to work and all, but not the grocery store. Someone needs to study your mind lol.

nothing wrong with having certain fears and concerns though. some people feel anxiety with some things and not others.

Putting forth an argument that an anxiety is irrational, does not remove a person's anxiety. A person can bear an anxiety knowing it is irrational. Please take care to also respect a person's anxieties; and please take care also if critiquing the "rationality" of said anxieties as well.

"Someone needs to study your mind". Well, all human minds should be studied, no? Even if your intentions are pure, it's very easy to interpret "you're case study material" as slightly… disparaging. I don't think every anxiety deserves to be pointed at and said "that is so odd and weird that it should be considered so deviant as to warrant becoming case study material". That seems a little pejorative, if interpreted in a certain way.

I am not saying you intended bad at all: I'm just informing you of the possibly unwanted implication in your words. Take care.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Thanks for standing up for me @webb&flow but it's nbd. Basically I spend all my time that isn't spoken for posting here and trying to psych myself up for hanging.

Just played around with partial some more. Nowhere near unconscious. Neck is sore from my _almost_ full attempt. Family's home. High enough anchor point is outside in the daylight. If I somehow passed out against the door convulsions would probably hit the handle anyway.

I know that committing to full is the only way and it's gonna hurt like shit. I'm just too much of a fucking coward.

 

[badatparties]

nothing wrong with having certain fears and concerns though. some people feel anxiety with some things and not others.

Putting forth an argument that an anxiety is irrational, does not remove a person's anxiety. A person can bear an anxiety knowing it is irrational. Please take care to also respect a person's anxieties; and please take care also if critiquing the "rationality" of said anxieties as well.

"Someone needs to study your mind". Well, all human minds should be studied, no? Even if your intentions are pure, it's very easy to interpret "you're case study material" as slightly… disparaging. I don't think every anxiety deserves to be pointed at and said "that is so odd and weird that it should be considered so deviant as to warrant becoming case study material". That seems a little pejorative, if interpreted in a certain way.

I am not saying you intended bad at all: I'm just informing you of the possibly unwanted implication in your words. Take care.

I didn't mean it that way. Usually when someone is that agoraphobic, the last thing they can do is work. I'm sorry if i was insensitive @OnMyLast Legs.

 

[webb&flow]

I didn't mean it that way. Usually when someone is that agoraphobic, the last thing they can do is work. I'm sorry if i was insensitive @OnMyLast Legs.

I can understand that <3

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Anyways; rational argument where you reason someone out of harmful irrational beliefs—I think this should be seen with extra extra caution if its an anxiety disorder.

If you're refuting a person in throes of depressive thought expressing doubt about something like "does my friend who expresses love and is there for me and good to me and doesn't express being unhappy at me actually care at all", then in that case I think it's totally fine to rationally argue them into a belief that is both truer and makes them feel better. I think that is ethical and good.

I just think that we aren't always aware of the effect of what we say has on people; and we should forgive ourselves for that too. The more we know, the better :).

Anxieties are irrational. May every leeway our anxieties give us, I hope all the peace and ability and functionality and productivity and freedom we experience in that, will continue to blossom into greater benefit and growth in out lives. Best wishes to you :). And to @OnMyLast Legs as well. And everyone else reading too!! Best wishes to you, personally, too!!

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I just want to experience peace but the only way to get it is NOT to have lived the way I have for 36 years. To go back and do things right. And that's impossible. So it'll get worse and worse until it just stops. No relief in death, just deleting the future.

 

[Codename_Joker]

Not really. I fear the aftermath of my death. My family will be torn especially my mom and pretty sure it will bum out my coworkers. Oh I guess I won't be able to contribute to the house expenses since I'll be dead too. But hey I haven't even attempted suicide yet and the closest I've gotten to death was almost being hit with saw blade shrapnel which was terrifying.

 

[pax420]

Not afraid of death or dying really I was curious about the afterlife but now I'm pretty much 100% there isn't one. I think badatparties said it to me best. You won't even know it

 

[Untoten_]

Me personally, I still worry about death and its implications. Logically I know that it's most likely just the complete absence of anything and that it shouldn't necessarily be something to be fearful of, but it's still scary to think about because it's so unknown. Do you still have any fear of death despite plans for suicide?

I was always nervous but not scared.

 

[Deer_Dairy]

This is deeply philosophic topic. No easy answer, we can discuss it for hours and days with no speciofic outcome.
For me, death is not something human should fear. It is natural part of life and everyone of us will die one day.
What comes next? Maybe nothing, maybe something. Most of people around the world believe in something. Different beliefes, different imaginations of what comes next.
I think all of this comes from human inability to imagine complete nothingness, it really is impossible, and, at the same time, no experience of the death (makes sense since you cannot return to talk about it).
Human brain is trying to fill this void with something. And people (not only people) tends to fear everything what is unknown to them.
Biological wiring like "have as much offspring as you can and make sure they will survive -> survive as long as you can" also didnt help with this fear.
...
I will not continue with this, it is really endless topic.

For me, I do not belong to any religion. But I believe there is something after for like 80 % probability. I can explain why, but again, it is quite long and I guess this is not the place where we should be writing long philosophical dissertations.

 

[itwasnevermeanttobe]

No, I've thought about not existing for a very long time and I believe there is no afterlife. I will feel nothing when I am dead. I'll make sure to continue working on my sn plan to make the efficiency of killing myself as high as possible, but if I fail, then I will try again. I can only hope it will be as quick and painless as possible.

 

[tomame]

only the karma ill receive after and how that may look

 

[Meimi18]

yeah, it's been my worst enemy since I started wanting to die. The thought of just nothingness and non awareness afterwards terrifies me, even though I know technically it won't be scary since there won't be a consciousness to be scared anymore. I used to have late night breakdowns about it as a kid

 

[ih34rty0u]

oh, absolutely. my main fear is the process of dying itself (pain, panic etc.), but also how my parents would cope with my death - im an only child. i don't wanna traumatize them, but suicide isn't my choice. i wish i could just disappear and become dead instantly…

 

[comeoutandhauntme]

death itself? no, not really, in fact i take some comfort in imagining death/dying.

what comes after death? yes, honestly it's been a major factor of why i haven't ctb yet. raised christian, idrk what i am now or what i believe, but the thought of dying and going somewhere worse terrifies me. if only there was some way to know

 

[DeadManLiving]

Nope. Uncomfortable, but nothing to fear about a null outcome. Just a shitty process

 

[darkandtwisty]

I'm terrified. Of it hurting, of the unknown of what comes next. Is there an afterlife and would it be Hell? As an agnostic, IF there is a God, I'd hope He is merciful and sees the pain we're in and forgives us and allows us access to the peace we deserve.
Is reincarnation real, and what if I come back, born into a much worse life?