Dignitas- Ive identified three potential hurdles for me in UK

[Rational man]

Dignitas- Ive identified three potential hurdles for me in UK

1st - Fronting approx 11,000 Swiss Francs is not difficult but I would rather give it to my carer.

2nd - Foxing authorities. I will need to get return flight to Zurich, unassisted, as authorities may become suspicious.

3rd - Dignitas need a written medical statement from my GP stating medical status and prognosis. There are cases here in UK where it can be a potential problem ( about 50 people travel each Year to Dignitas from UK ), with etical decisions. Doctor's can refuse tk comply, and im running out if time.

It seems easier to die without dignity, in pain because doctors may do nothing.

 

[Hope:-)]

It's worth the shot and risk the demoralisation of a no from the doctor imo. Just from that information though.x

 

[rationaltake]

I'm sorry it's so unnecessarily and cruelly difficult. So many hurdles! It's heartbreaking.

I wish you peace.

 

[FuneralCry]

That sounds really complicated and stressful, it's just so unfair how people have to travel for assisted dying, people are already suffering enough, the option should be available in the UK. Best wishes.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Honestly, it just makes me furious. People suffering from this much pain shouldn't have to cope with the stress of waiting on doctors to grant them their blessing. I've heard of cases where there is real worry that the decision is made in time that the patient is still well enough to travel. I know under the current laws, it needs to be agreed upon that whatever the affliction is incurable but that surely can't take that long- reviewing the patients records. I really hope your doctor comes through for you.

 

[befree]

There is not only Dignitas in Switzerland.

 

[Euthanza]

Similar thought, it's too expensive to beg doctors approval for my well being and risk end of life rejection. It's important to separate dignity in dying from medical profession until their ethics stop being unethical.

Probably in the future, a robot doctor is more preferred in end of life options, who knows what future bring.

There is not only Dignitas in Switzerland.

Yeah, Pegasos claims to be more liberal, but they're under the same medical association guidelines. It's been a forward and back move.

 

[befree]

It´s just a guideline. The laws in Switzerland have not been changed. The following associations accept applications from foreigners:
Pegasos, Life Circle, Eternal Spirit (work together with Life Circle), Dignitas, Ex-international (not Exit Int. !!), Sterbehilfe.de (in Germany and Switzerland).

 

[Smart No More]

That outlay is definitely not ideal. I'd really struggle with that as it's not returnable if you're denied, right?

Have you considered finding a private doctor for your prognosis info. One that may be known to be more aligned/sympathetic with your view? I imagine it would be possible to find them if they exist and private consultation price isn't too high.

 

[Rational man]

It´s just a guideline. The laws in Switzerland have not been changed. The following associations accept applications from foreigners:
Pegasos, Life Circle, Eternal Spirit (work together with Life Circle), Dignitas, Ex-international (not Exit Int. !!), Sterbehilfe.de (in Germany and Switzerland).

Are they Europe based?

That outlay is definitely not ideal. I'd really struggle with that as it's not returnable if you're denied, right?

Have you considered finding a private doctor for your prognosis info. One that may be know to be more aligned with your view? I imagine it would be possible to find them if they exist and private consult price isn't too pricey.

I could do that. However , we had a recent case of a doctor who was ' struck off' by the medical council for assisting a patient to a clinic. He was doing a human thing but ethics is the ruling force.

That outlay is definitely not ideal. I'd really struggle with that as it's not returnable if you're denied, right?

Have you considered finding a private doctor for your prognosis info. One that may be know to be more aligned with your view? I imagine it would be possible to find them if they exist and private consult price isn't too pricey.

I could do that. However , we had a recent case of a doctor who was ' struck off' by the medical council for assisting a patient to a clinic. He was doing a human thing but ethics is the ruling force.

 

[Hope:-)]

That outlay is definitely not ideal. I'd really struggle with that as it's not returnable if you're denied, right?

See that part I didn't know. That is ridiculous.

 

[Smart No More]

See that part I didn't know. That is ridiculous.

I could be wrong. It may only be a fraction of the total price. Previously I heard of people having a much smaller (but none refundable) initial fee. I'm not certain which organisations they were applying with but assumed that was probably standard practice across the board.

 

[Rational man]

When you consider approximately 7000 people ctb Yearly in UK, 700 + with chronic illness and yet just 50 legally obtain assistance. The obstacles clearly are not helping PEOPLE die with dignity.

 

[befree]

Are they Europe based?

They are all in Switzerland. You can find more info on their websites.

 

[Smart No More]

I could do that. However , we had a recent case of a doctor who was ' struck off' by the medical council for assisting a patient to a clinic. He was doing a human thing but ethics is the ruling force.

It's so messy isn't it!? I understand people need to have and hold themselves to ethics however there's an overwhelming issue in that ethics aren't absolute. They are a matter of personal opinion rather than matter of fact. Worse is that it's generally a collective view of ethics that are ruled largely by peer pressure. It may as well be dictatorship. You are no doubt painfully aware of this (as are many of us) but I thought it worth putting into words. It's a real source of intense frustration for me, that many people don't have actual ethics that come from their own understanding and beliefs. They get their ethics second hand and quite recklessly perpetuate other peoples ethics as their own without ever actually questioning them from a personal standpoint. People like to consider themselves special and unique and none more so than those that are absolutely not. This is echoed in what's 'culturally' popular and where public consensus lies. We've never been more vapid! I keep saying this but it bares repeating - "the emporer has no clothes on". Unfortunately that is no longer sufficient in fully epitomising our situation as where, in that parable, everyone could see it but selectively ignored it, in our society I don't think people do see it because they choose their beliefs rather than discover them.

I saw two british doctors doing reaction videos to the simpsons on youtube the other day. Very young and very naive. They have many viewers which is more worrying.

All my disdain ridden moaning aside I still think it would be worth looking for a private doc that sympathises with your cause. Are you on Exit forums? There may be word of mouth info there that could help with that. Some doctors reaching retirement may have a more empathising instinct on the matter and less to fear losing. There must be some. Sadly a dying breed!

 

[Rational man]

It's so messy isn't it!? I understand people need to have and hold themselves to ethics however there's an overwhelming issue in that ethics aren't absolute. They are a matter of personal opinion rather than matter of fact. Worse is that it's generally a collective view of ethics that are ruled largely by peer pressure. It may as well be dictatorship. You are no doubt painfully aware of this (as are many of us) but I thought it worth putting into words. It's a real source of intense feustration for me, that many people don't have actual ethics that come from their own understanding and beliefs. They get their ethics second hand and quite a recklessly perpetuate other peoples ethics as their own without ever actually questioning them from a personal standpoint. People like to consider themselves special and unique and none more so than those that are absolutely not. This is wchoed in what's 'culturally' popular and where public consensus lies. We've never been more vapid! I keep saying this but it bares repeating - "the emporer has no clothes on". Unfortunately that is no longer sufficient in fully epitomising our situation as where, in that parable, everyone could see it but selectively ignored it, in our society I don't think people do see it because they choose their beliefs rather than discover them.

I saw two british doctors doing reaction videos to the simpsons on youtube the other day. Very young and very naive. They have many viewers which is more worrying.

All my disdain ridden moaning aside I still think it would be worth looking for a private doc that sympathises with your cause. Are you on Exit forums? There may be word of mouth info there that could help with that. Some doctors reaching retirement may have a more empathising instinct on the matter and less to fear losing. There must be some. Sadly a dying breed!

Thank you for your comprehensive reply. You have given m e much ' food for thought'. Appreciated. Peace❤

They are all in Switzerland. You can find more info on their websites.

Thank You❤

It´s just a guideline. The laws in Switzerland have not been changed. The following associations accept applications from foreigners:
Pegasos, Life Circle, Eternal Spirit (work together with Life Circle), Dignitas, Ex-international (not Exit Int. !!), Sterbehilfe.de (in Germany and Switzerland).

Thanks❤❤

 

[exitsimulation]

Dignitas- Ive identified three potential hurdles for me in UK

1st - Fronting approx 11,000 Swiss Francs is not difficult but I would rather give it to my carer.

2nd - Foxing authorities. I will need to get return flight to Zurich, unassisted, as authorities may become suspicious.

3rd - Dignitas need a written medical statement from my GP stating medical status and prognosis. There are cases here in UK where it can be a potential problem ( about 50 people travel each Year to Dignitas from UK ), with etical decisions. Doctor's can refuse tk comply, and im running out if time.

It seems easier to die without dignity, in pain because doctors may do nothing.

i hope you find peace, use a genie nitrogen cylinder exit bag if your serious

 

[Cathy Ames]

Question: Does the written statement from your doctor have to be specifically addressed to Dignitas? Could you simply request a statement like that and a copy of your records without explaining the purpose? If the doctor is not told the purpose, then they should be reasonably well protected.

 

[Rational man]

Question: Does the written statement from your doctor have to be specifically addressed to Dignitas? Could you simply request a statement like that and a copy of your records without explaining the purpose? If the doctor is not told the purpose, then they should be reasonably well protected.

i need to clarify this with Dignitas, if they will accept written records of,my illness rather than an addressed letter to aforementioned, as could be construed as ' assistance ' . I will keep the forum updated.