Darkover

Darkover

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There's as much cultural nonsense surrounding the idea that life is a gift as any other uncomfortable topic that human's try to explain away in order to feel secure. After all, we came into this world without our consent and certainly weren't handed a road map. From the first traumatic push through the birth canal, we landed in a situation not of our choosing. I contend that everyone is suffering from some form of PTSD due to the birth process alone, but when you factor in the total randomness of the lottery of birth, the deck really is stacked against many of us.

For those of us who lucked out when it came to the circumstances we fell into on the day we were born, well, let's just say, don't get overconfident.
Life is such that everything is hanging in a precarious balance and the tiniest breeze at the wrong moment can send any lucky lottery winner into a tailspin from which they may never recover. And, whether we want to admit it or not, the grim possibilities appear to be limitless. From a microscopic brain-eating amoeba up our nose to enduring the death of a child to being bludgeoned by another crazed human being, we are under threat every moment of every day of our short lives in a million different ways.
Is the fact that a single sperm managed to find my mother's egg thus forming a new life which turned out to be me all the proof I need that an all-powerful, loving God gave me this life?
Seriously! Am I unique and there's a plan for my life? Was there, in fact, a personal plan for all humans? By 2050, there will have been 113 billion human beings that have lived, suffered and died on this planet. All with a personal plan? All enjoying this marvelous gift called life?
I'm not surprised that religious folklore has tried to deal with the questions surrounding the mystery of life?
Yet, like so many things that they've insisted on explaining away by oversimplification, the contradictions in their stories stand out like a sore thumb to a cultural myth buster like myself. Life certainly is a mystery. The very fact that the planet is absolutely teeming with life from the tiniest amoeba to the tallest tree and everything in between does boggle the mind. That the instinct to survive and procreate has kept many species from going extinct is also something at which to marvel.
But in all of that mystery and mayhem, there is nothing that implies that the universe has our happiness in mind.
Nor does there appear to be any guardian angels standing by to direct our footsteps and protect us from pain and suffering or horrors and atrocities. That seems to be left up to some kind of random luck of the draw where the nastiest of the lot can win big while a little baby gets stepped on and squished into the pavement.
No rhyme or reason to the system at all, if it can even be called a system.
There's a weakness in human beings called denial. It is a defense mechanism that keeps us from searching for viable options. Religion preys upon that weakness. Our cultural drive to explain life through story telling was once the only way to make meaning of the world. Religion used our perpetual state of fear and denial to step in and take control of societies at large and persist in doing so to this day. However, we have gathered an enormous amount of knowledge since our early tribal days. For storytelling to be the way we explain life to our offspring insures that ignorance will continue to influence social outcomes. What a waste of human ingenuity and curiosity, scientific endeavors and altruism.
Another long held cultural belief that continues to support and promote intentional stupidity is the whole idea that life is a gift because god is good for us and to us.
Obviously, there is never a good explanation offered by the devout when random humans are selected to suffer untold anguish. Why them and not me? There is no answer that satisfies. To say there is no plan or no god watching over us, however, is something that the religious simply can't face. Their stories give them comfort perhaps but at the expense of delayed problem solving and creative solutions? And, if they're right, how is it even possible to consider the gods they have concocted to be loving or caring? I wouldn't treat a dog the way some humans are forced to live.
The truth is that life is actually horrible most of the time for some people and grim some of the time for the rest.
There is no one that doesn't experience suffering, however. That's life. It's a series of problems that requires solving and in between the problems are some feel good moments if we're lucky. Life isn't designed to be nice or good. Happiness wasn't factored into the equation. That doesn't mean we won't ever experience joy, but it's not promised and it's often fleeting.
The ONLY thing that makes a difference in the quality of life is how we treat each other.
If we aren't interested in the good of mankind as a whole, something more than just our own well-being, then life will become even grimmer. Without human compassion, ingenuity and creativity, we must face whatever nature unrelentingly doles out as well as what other humans perpetrate without much hope of things getting better.
I happen to believe that it's our job to do what we can to make the world a better place for the children we insist on having.
Every good thing that has happened in the world was because a human lifted a hand to help. No god ever fed a hungry child. It's always been humans who make the difference. Making up stories won't change anything. Praying to a god doesn't work. Believing that we're unique and that god has a plan for our lives is at the very least deluded and the very worst arrogant. Life isn't good or bad. It just is. How we cope with and how we help others cope with life is all that we've got. Our progress as a species depends on our willingness to find ways to make it possible for more and more people to live better and safer lives.
That's as GOOD as it gets, my friends.
It's up to us. If we stand around waiting for a god to lift so much as a little finger to help out, nothing will get done. NOTHING. And, although the world will always be riddled with problems to solve, we can find solutions to many of our problems through cooperation and the willingness to bravely face the realities of life together.
More than ever before in the history of humankind, our cultural fairy tales are not only useless to society but harmful to our progress.
The practice of thanking God for safety and protection, for food and drink, for health and well-being, or for any other "blessings", might appear to be a commendable habit, but it is actually deeply troubling because of what it implies. A miraculously intervening God is an unjust capricious God, sparing some and saving others, apparently on a whim. If God really was selecting people to protect on the basis of some bigger picture, then you would not expect the number of people who are killed in various ways to be subject to the rules of probability. However, I can predict with remarkable accuracy the road toll each year, the number of people who will be struck by lightning, the number of people who will be killed by shark attacks, and so on. Each of these causes of death has a certain rate of occurrence that is quite predictable. It is not just the number of deaths that is predictable, it is the whole probability distribution of deaths that is predictable. If you know the average number of deaths by car accidents in a city, then it is possible to calculate all the percentiles for that city. For example, you can estimate the numbers of deaths that would be exceeded only once every ten years. When you do this for many cities, you find that the 1-in-10-year extremes are exceeded in approximately 10% of cities each year. This is exactly what you would expect if the world was random, but not what you would expect if anyone was in control. Car accidents, diseases, and industrial accidents all follow the same probability distribution, known as the "Poisson distribution". The Poisson probability distribution is based on the assumption that accidents happen randomly. It is simply not possible for tragedies to appear to follow the Poisson probability distribution while actually being controlled by God. Any interventions of God that interfere in the random processes would be detectable. If they are not detectable, then they are random and God is not involved. If we accept that the world is random, and that bad things happen to everyone by chance, where does that leave God? Either he does not exist, or he has no power, or he does not care. Whichever of those answers you prefer, God does not deserve our thanks.
 
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cosmic_traveler

Eternal Spirit Experiencing a Human Moment
Dec 23, 2023
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God thinks
We should all convert to Judaism
God thinks
We must all be Christians, and
God thinks
We should all embrace Islam
God thinks
The only true religion is Hinduism

And I, I know what God thinks
God thinks you're a waste of flesh
God prefers an atheist

Voltaire - God Thinks

God is neither good nor bad. God is you and me. God is everything.
 
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Abyssal

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Nov 26, 2023
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I am an atheist but I don't find myself ruling out the possibility of a god. Rather, I see this horrible world and I have come to the conclusion that no kind god could create such a place. At that point, even if there is an almighty creator, wouldn't demon be a more fitting title?
 
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EyeWish...

EyeWish...

I, I hit the bottom, hit the bottom and escape
Jan 29, 2024
31
I am an atheist but I don't find myself ruling out the possibility of a god. Rather, I see this horrible world and I have come to the conclusion that no kind god could create such a place. At that point, even if there is an almighty creator, wouldn't demon be a more fitting title?
I'm an agnostic atheist. If god really does exist I'd rather rot in hell than live blissfully in god's domain. Hell, if I had a supposed god's power I'd probably become corrupted just as the supposed christian god. But christians don't see their god that way do they? I'll never understand them.
 
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Abyssal

Probably gonna die soon maybe?
Nov 26, 2023
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I'm an agnostic atheist. If god really does exist I'd rather rot in hell than live blissfully in god's domain. Hell, if I had a supposed god's power I'd probably become corrupted just as the supposed christian god. But christians don't see their god that way do they? I'll never understand them.
How do Christians even see their god in the first place? It all seems so detached from everything that is real in the world.
 
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EyeWish...

EyeWish...

I, I hit the bottom, hit the bottom and escape
Jan 29, 2024
31
How do Christians even see their god in the first place? It all seems so detached from everything that is real in the world.
From what I've heard it's mostly faith. If it's enough for them then it's enough for them. It probably helps them cope better too, so good for them.
 
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femmedelaville

femmedelaville

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Feb 9, 2024
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There's as much cultural nonsense surrounding the idea that life is a gift as any other uncomfortable topic that human's try to explain away in order to feel secure. After all, we came into this world without our consent and certainly weren't handed a road map. From the first traumatic push through the birth canal, we landed in a situation not of our choosing. I contend that everyone is suffering from some form of PTSD due to the birth process alone, but when you factor in the total randomness of the lottery of birth, the deck really is stacked against many of us.

For those of us who lucked out when it came to the circumstances we fell into on the day we were born, well, let's just say, don't get overconfident.
Life is such that everything is hanging in a precarious balance and the tiniest breeze at the wrong moment can send any lucky lottery winner into a tailspin from which they may never recover. And, whether we want to admit it or not, the grim possibilities appear to be limitless. From a microscopic brain-eating amoeba up our nose to enduring the death of a child to being bludgeoned by another crazed human being, we are under threat every moment of every day of our short lives in a million different ways.
Is the fact that a single sperm managed to find my mother's egg thus forming a new life which turned out to be me all the proof I need that an all-powerful, loving God gave me this life?
Seriously! Am I unique and there's a plan for my life? Was there, in fact, a personal plan for all humans? By 2050, there will have been 113 billion human beings that have lived, suffered and died on this planet. All with a personal plan? All enjoying this marvelous gift called life?
I'm not surprised that religious folklore has tried to deal with the questions surrounding the mystery of life?
Yet, like so many things that they've insisted on explaining away by oversimplification, the contradictions in their stories stand out like a sore thumb to a cultural myth buster like myself. Life certainly is a mystery. The very fact that the planet is absolutely teeming with life from the tiniest amoeba to the tallest tree and everything in between does boggle the mind. That the instinct to survive and procreate has kept many species from going extinct is also something at which to marvel.
But in all of that mystery and mayhem, there is nothing that implies that the universe has our happiness in mind.
Nor does there appear to be any guardian angels standing by to direct our footsteps and protect us from pain and suffering or horrors and atrocities. That seems to be left up to some kind of random luck of the draw where the nastiest of the lot can win big while a little baby gets stepped on and squished into the pavement.
No rhyme or reason to the system at all, if it can even be called a system.
There's a weakness in human beings called denial. It is a defense mechanism that keeps us from searching for viable options. Religion preys upon that weakness. Our cultural drive to explain life through story telling was once the only way to make meaning of the world. Religion used our perpetual state of fear and denial to step in and take control of societies at large and persist in doing so to this day. However, we have gathered an enormous amount of knowledge since our early tribal days. For storytelling to be the way we explain life to our offspring insures that ignorance will continue to influence social outcomes. What a waste of human ingenuity and curiosity, scientific endeavors and altruism.
Another long held cultural belief that continues to support and promote intentional stupidity is the whole idea that life is a gift because god is good for us and to us.
Obviously, there is never a good explanation offered by the devout when random humans are selected to suffer untold anguish. Why them and not me? There is no answer that satisfies. To say there is no plan or no god watching over us, however, is something that the religious simply can't face. Their stories give them comfort perhaps but at the expense of delayed problem solving and creative solutions? And, if they're right, how is it even possible to consider the gods they have concocted to be loving or caring? I wouldn't treat a dog the way some humans are forced to live.
The truth is that life is actually horrible most of the time for some people and grim some of the time for the rest.
There is no one that doesn't experience suffering, however. That's life. It's a series of problems that requires solving and in between the problems are some feel good moments if we're lucky. Life isn't designed to be nice or good. Happiness wasn't factored into the equation. That doesn't mean we won't ever experience joy, but it's not promised and it's often fleeting.
The ONLY thing that makes a difference in the quality of life is how we treat each other.
If we aren't interested in the good of mankind as a whole, something more than just our own well-being, then life will become even grimmer. Without human compassion, ingenuity and creativity, we must face whatever nature unrelentingly doles out as well as what other humans perpetrate without much hope of things getting better.
I happen to believe that it's our job to do what we can to make the world a better place for the children we insist on having.
Every good thing that has happened in the world was because a human lifted a hand to help. No god ever fed a hungry child. It's always been humans who make the difference. Making up stories won't change anything. Praying to a god doesn't work. Believing that we're unique and that god has a plan for our lives is at the very least deluded and the very worst arrogant. Life isn't good or bad. It just is. How we cope with and how we help others cope with life is all that we've got. Our progress as a species depends on our willingness to find ways to make it possible for more and more people to live better and safer lives.
That's as GOOD as it gets, my friends.
It's up to us. If we stand around waiting for a god to lift so much as a little finger to help out, nothing will get done. NOTHING. And, although the world will always be riddled with problems to solve, we can find solutions to many of our problems through cooperation and the willingness to bravely face the realities of life together.
More than ever before in the history of humankind, our cultural fairy tales are not only useless to society but harmful to our progress.
The practice of thanking God for safety and protection, for food and drink, for health and well-being, or for any other "blessings", might appear to be a commendable habit, but it is actually deeply troubling because of what it implies. A miraculously intervening God is an unjust capricious God, sparing some and saving others, apparently on a whim. If God really was selecting people to protect on the basis of some bigger picture, then you would not expect the number of people who are killed in various ways to be subject to the rules of probability. However, I can predict with remarkable accuracy the road toll each year, the number of people who will be struck by lightning, the number of people who will be killed by shark attacks, and so on. Each of these causes of death has a certain rate of occurrence that is quite predictable. It is not just the number of deaths that is predictable, it is the whole probability distribution of deaths that is predictable. If you know the average number of deaths by car accidents in a city, then it is possible to calculate all the percentiles for that city. For example, you can estimate the numbers of deaths that would be exceeded only once every ten years. When you do this for many cities, you find that the 1-in-10-year extremes are exceeded in approximately 10% of cities each year. This is exactly what you would expect if the world was random, but not what you would expect if anyone was in control. Car accidents, diseases, and industrial accidents all follow the same probability distribution, known as the "Poisson distribution". The Poisson probability distribution is based on the assumption that accidents happen randomly. It is simply not possible for tragedies to appear to follow the Poisson probability distribution while actually being controlled by God. Any interventions of God that interfere in the random processes would be detectable. If they are not detectable, then they are random and God is not involved. If we accept that the world is random, and that bad things happen to everyone by chance, where does that leave God? Either he does not exist, or he has no power, or he does not care. Whichever of those answers you prefer, God does not deserve our thanks.
Wow! Incredibly well written and articulated so many things I've been mulling over and over lately. Thank you for such eloquence
 
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PoorYorick

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The ONLY thing that makes a difference in the quality of life is how we treat each other.
If we aren't interested in the good of mankind as a whole, something more than just our own well-being, then life will become even grimmer.

Yes. Unfortunately whole mankind existence is pointless. Just a random force of natural selection created it. So why bother making mankind better?

Please convince me, it would help me live :)
 
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MatrixPrisoner

MatrixPrisoner

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Jul 8, 2023
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"NO! COME TO CHURCH AND TITHE ME YOUR MONEYYYYYYY!!!!! (I need anther mansion and private jet)"

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PROJECT: Extase

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Jan 11, 2024
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I've always thought that god was nothing but a coping mechanism created by the humain brain because it is so afraid of the concept of death and needed an easy answer to the questions it well, couldn't answer. And people capitalize on those fears to control people thanks to religion. Crazy to think that still to this day, despite the mondialization, some countries are still stuck in the past because people are scared of death and would listen to anything to not have to worry about it. Religion is a way to control the population and damn is it efficient.
 
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DreamEnd

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Aug 4, 2022
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All of which you wrote boils down to one single question: " What does one mean by God" The answer will determine the trajectory of ones beliefs about life
 
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