DeBreather purchase, too good to be true?

[Donk]

It isn't exactly in it's infancy as they've been working on it for some 20 years now, lot of interesting information here:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-think-this-could-be-huge.29338/

thanks!

 

[spanishguy22]

It's out! So I can buy it for 180 dollars?
It says "disposable cartridge". Is that the whole thing or only one piece of it?

 

[lmroch]

It says "disposable cartridge". Is that the whole thing or only one piece of it?

Today, I read elsewhere, someone posted, everyone should read and understand the instructions. They say once opened, the "stuff" loses potency in 3-5 days, you can reseal with an iron. Another important thing to know. While testing, one wouldn't want to compromise the "stuff".

The instructions are located near the bottom of the page: Right To Die

 

[Ashleyrodriguez]

What does it have it the tubes that kill you?

 

[Donk]

Today, I read elsewhere, someone posted, everyone should read and understand the instructions. They say once opened, the "stuff" loses potency in 3-5 days, you can reseal with an iron. Another important thing to know. While testing, one wouldn't want to compromise the "stuff".

The instructions are located near the bottom of the page: Right To Die

read the instructions...its confusing to me. maybe im just dumb. wish there was an instructional video

 

[Ἡγησίας]

read the instructions...its confusing to me. maybe im just dumb. wish there was an instructional video

Indeed there is one

https://www.right2die.org/wp-content/uploads/videos/moon.mp4

 

[spanishguy22]

Meh, too many variables with the instructions, will be passing on this one. Getting an airtight seal shouldn't be so complex.

 

[lmroch]

read the instructions...its confusing to me

The person who posted it said it confused him too, it was quite a long post. Not on here. He thought something needed changing, I think the packaging, so the chemical would be seperate. And maybe the instructions.

Also did you see ArtStation RD2

@NextBusLeaving Has made one. He knows the chemical in his posts. And tested it. There may be more than these.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-diy-debreather-is-coming.31114/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/diy-debreather.30538/

 

[pane]

Today, I read elsewhere, someone posted, everyone should read and understand the instructions. They say once opened, the "stuff" loses potency in 3-5 days, you can reseal with an iron. Another important thing to know. While testing, one wouldn't want to compromise the "stuff".

The instructions are located near the bottom of the page: Right To Die

If the canisters that hold the soda lime can be opened I wonder if it's possible to dump out the expired soda lime and fill them with fresh lime (which would have to be bought out-of-pocket of course)?

 

[enjolras]

Is it not possible to get an accurate estimate about how long those soda lime canisters are supposed to last without degradation, kept sealed ? Or would there be a quick way to test there efficiency once opened, after a long storage period ? In a perfect world, replacements should be available without the need to reorder the full unit

 

[enjolras]

You haven't done anything ilegal. You have purchased a REbreather, that can be used for other purposes, like a knife could be used by different purpouses. I want it, I know that. I suppose that it will be Rocket Express who will give you the schedule. It's not a scam, they want to divide the responsabilities, just in case.

I can't help to question why is the choice to promote it blatantly as a killing machine, whereas the device also comes with a living purpose design, that is not used to its extent (when you read the PPH announcing the oxygen use, I was expecting a way different website). The no disguise marketing (domain name, name of equipment) is very outspoken. It's like a kitchen knife would be advertised as a crime weapon. It is the opposite of the discreet low profile chosen by MaxDogBrewing, which even stopped to sell cylinders in the end. It could have made itself a name with a more underground path within the canals of the targeted movement. What's the tactic ? Is this claim ? The infomercial makes it look like it is. Anyway, I find it calling out for long-term disturbances unnecessarily.

 

[mediocre]

I can't help to question why is the choice to promote it blatantly as a killing machine, whereas the device also comes with a living purpose design, that is not used to its extent (when you read the PPH announcing the oxygen use, I was expecting a way different website). The no disguise marketing (domain name, device name as DEbreather) is very outspoken. It's like a kitchen knife would be advertised as a crime weapon. It is the opposite of the discreet low profile chosen by MaxDogBrewing, which even stopped to sell cylinders in the end. It could have made itself a name with a more underground path within the canals of the targeted movement. What's the tactic ? Is this claim ? The infomercial makes it look like it is. Anyway, I find it calling out for long-term disturbances.

This is a good point and one of about wondering about it too. It will surely be shut down at some point once the authorities hear that there is a website selling a suicide device. Like you I don't know why they chose to be so blatant they must know that being so out there like that will get them in trouble?

 

[enjolras]

I think so. A decade ago, there was an american woman who was producing and remote selling homemade plastic with elastic exit bags. I think she got arrested and fined (maybe it's an info to search and present again). I find the stance very fearless and defiant

 

[mediocre]

I think so. A decade ago, there was an american woman who was producing and remote selling homemade plastic with elastic exit bags. I think she got arrested and fined (maybe it's an info to search and present again). I find the stance very fearless and defiant

Yes I think I did hear about her I think she was in California? I actually purchased it out of curiosity and I just hope the purchase I made is not traced back to me if it happens that the site is shut down.

 

[enjolras]

First picture of 91-year-old seller of 'suicide kits' as FBI launches raid on her California home

Great-grandmother Sharlotte Hydorn's asphyxiation equipment enterprise gained public attention when depressive Nicholas Klonoski, 29, killed himself.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Feds Raid Home of 91-Year-Old Suicide Kit Maker

FBI agents raided the home of Sharlotte Hydorn, a 91-year-old woman who makes and sells suicide kits. Hydorn was thrown into the spotlight a few months ago after a 29-year-old man in Oregon ended his life using one of her kits.

abcnews.go.com

I don't know, but after a few outings with this tool used, if not removed from the scene, it should not go unnoticed.
That said, the articles do not reveal that the clients were checked or anything, back then (worldwide traffic, complicated ? no legal justification)

The seller may have taken a precautionary measure to separate different stages of the process, protecting himself, so he doesn't take liability. Keep in mind the type of info you give away when ordering. From the outside, it looks clearnet grade if not on the run or the forwarding company gets a visit. Questions are open

 

[mediocre]

Feds Raid Home of 91-Year-Old Suicide Kit Maker

FBI agents raided the home of Sharlotte Hydorn, a 91-year-old woman who makes and sells suicide kits. Hydorn was thrown into the spotlight a few months ago after a 29-year-old man in Oregon ended his life using one of her kits.

abcnews.go.com

First picture of 91-year-old seller of 'suicide kits' as FBI launches raid on her California home

Great-grandmother Sharlotte Hydorn's asphyxiation equipment enterprise gained public attention when depressive Nicholas Klonoski, 29, killed himself.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't know, but after a few outings with this tool used, if not removed from the scene, it should not go unnoticed.
That said, the articles do not reveal that the clients were checked or anything, back then (worldwide traffic, complicated)

The seller may have taken a precautionary measure to separate different stages of the process, protecting himself, so he doesn't take liability. Keep in mind that you do provide card details, plus PayPal & address apparently. That looks light if R.A gets a visit, not on the run. Questions are open

Well if the authorities do show up I will act dumb. I have Aspergers and I'll say I don't know what I'm doing half the time which is true. Come to think of it I am pretty dumb anyway so no need to act :/

 

[enjolras]

Or you can pretend smartly that you stockpile collector items in advance, provocative modern pieces for the art market ;p
If it works like intended, history will tell if those who did not order urgently are the dumb ones

@Imroch, there is an anonymous contact form, don't think you should give the email in public without consent

 

[mediocre]

Or you can pretend smartly that you stockpile collector items in advance, provocative modern pieces for the art market ;p
If it works like intended, history will tell if those who did not order urgently are the dumb ones

Yes or I can say I thought it was a mask to protect against coronavirus.

 

[faust]

I noticed PePH says it is more peaceful than an exit bag and is similar to being on an altitude.
Nothing told about high-altitude psychosis, dizziness, headache or a rapid heartbeat.
Or at least nausea or vomiting.
I think we have to check that and do more research.

 

[Notabadguy]

I have never ordered anything abroad. Yesterday I worte an email to Rocket Express to ask what would happened if I ordered the product and I weren't at home. I suppose they would leave a note indicating a nearby place to go an collect i. Wouldn't they?
Is there someone with access to the Exit In forum who can provide us with valuable information about this device? I'm 39, I can't access to it.

 

[Halo13]

First picture of 91-year-old seller of 'suicide kits' as FBI launches raid on her California home

Great-grandmother Sharlotte Hydorn's asphyxiation equipment enterprise gained public attention when depressive Nicholas Klonoski, 29, killed himself.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Feds Raid Home of 91-Year-Old Suicide Kit Maker

FBI agents raided the home of Sharlotte Hydorn, a 91-year-old woman who makes and sells suicide kits. Hydorn was thrown into the spotlight a few months ago after a 29-year-old man in Oregon ended his life using one of her kits.

abcnews.go.com

I don't know, but after a few outings with this tool used, if not removed from the scene, it should not go unnoticed.
That said, the articles do not reveal that the clients were checked or anything, back then (worldwide traffic, complicated ? no legal justification)

The seller may have taken a precautionary measure to separate different stages of the process, protecting himself, so he doesn't take liability. Keep in mind the type of info you give away when ordering. From the outside, it looks clearnet grade if not on the run or the forwarding company gets a visit. Questions are open

Grandma Death. Literally. Thanks for sharing, that's really interesting.

 

[Notabadguy]

Grandma Death. Literally. Thanks for sharing, that's really interesting.

There it says that this old daly was prosecuted for "adultered medical device". I think that the Debreather, eventually, could be forbidden by the authorities under similar grounds. So, I think that if the patient is relatively sure about his decision of CTBing, he woud be wise to buy it as soon as possible (I sound like a salesman, I'm not).

 

[Halo13]

I have never ordered anything abroad. Yesterday I worte an email to Rocket Express to ask what would happened if I ordered the product and I weren't at home. I suppose they would leave a note indicating a nearby place to go an collect i. Wouldn't they?
Is there someone with access to the Exit In forum who can provide us with valuable information about this device? I'm 39, I can't access to it.

The posts in this thread from fightingsioux should be helpful as he was a member of Exit In. It's worth a read because fightingsioux details the mailing process. (Fair warning: the user has presumably ctb'd, though I am not sure with what method - any direct questions would go unanswered)

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-think-this-could-be-huge.29338

 

[enjolras]

Yep. Here's how it ended, not so bad...

Seller of ‘suicide kits’ gets probation, fine

An East County woman who sold “suicide kits” over the Internet until being shut down by federal investigators last year was placed Monday on five years’ probation, fined $1,000 and ordered not to aid anyone in the future from taking their lives.

www.baltimoresun.com

"ordered not to aid anyone in the future from taking their lives"

California seller of suicide kits sentenced for tax offense

A 93-year-old woman who made headlines by selling suicide kits from her California home was placed on five years of supervised probation on Monday and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine for a tax-related offense stemming from her mail-order business.

www.reuters.com

"This case was never about the position that someone has the right to end their own life. This was about her indiscriminate sale of kits to anyone who wrote her a check."

 

[Halo13]

Yep. Here's how it ended, not so bad...

Seller of ‘suicide kits’ gets probation, fine

An East County woman who sold “suicide kits” over the Internet until being shut down by federal investigators last year was placed Monday on five years’ probation, fined $1,000 and ordered not to aid anyone in the future from taking their lives.

www.baltimoresun.com

Great-grandmother fined over mail order suicide kits

A great-grandmother who made headlines by selling suicide kits from her California home was placed on five years of supervised probation on Monday and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine for a tax-related offence stemming from her mail-order business.

www.telegraph.co.uk

"ordered not to aid anyone in the future from taking their lives"

I find that "ordered not to aid anyone in the future from taking their lives" almost funny. "Why no Your Honor I won't aid in suicide any longer." Probation, fine, case dismissed. I wonder if her age was a factor. Admirable just the same, amazing she was able to do it for 20 years.

 

[Notabadguy]

Yep. Here's how it ended, not so bad...

Seller of ‘suicide kits’ gets probation, fine

An East County woman who sold “suicide kits” over the Internet until being shut down by federal investigators last year was placed Monday on five years’ probation, fined $1,000 and ordered not to aid anyone in the future from taking their lives.

www.baltimoresun.com

"ordered not to aid anyone in the future from taking their lives"

California seller of suicide kits sentenced for tax offense

A 93-year-old woman who made headlines by selling suicide kits from her California home was placed on five years of supervised probation on Monday and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine for a tax-related offense stemming from her mail-order business.

www.reuters.com

"This case was never about the position that someone has the right to end their own life. This was about her indiscriminate sale of kits to anyone who wrote her a check."

Well, it's the same with the Debreather, for buyiing it you only have to be 21 years-old.

 

[Soul]

I've just written to right2die *again* asking about how the debreather should work with co2-retentive subjects.

If people have gotten responses to that contact form on the r2d site, did you use a "stealth" email address for them to reply to, or is a normal yahoo/gmail address ok?

Either way, if anyone is compiling a set of questions for Richard, please include mine. I don't mind being a guinea pig, but a reply would sure be nice.

 

[liverpoolfan]

Is it not possible to get an accurate estimate about how long those soda lime canisters are supposed to last without degradation, kept sealed ? Or would there be a quick way to test there efficiency once opened, after a long storage period ? In a perfect world, replacements should be available without the need to reorder the full unit

Yes I'm quite excited to buy one - with the proviso that it has a good long shelf life of at least a year or two. If anyone knows anything about this aspect I'd be most grateful to hear it.

 

[Notabadguy]

I wonder if strong adhesive tape could be applied upon the borders of the mask and your face, in order to secure the stability of the mask on your face. Just in case.

 

[spanishguy22]

I can't help to question why is the choice to promote it blatantly as a killing machine, whereas it also comes with a living purpose design as a cover, that is not used to full extent (when you read the PPH, I was expecting a way different website). The no disguise marketing (domain name, device name as DEbreather) is very outspoken. It's like a kitchen knife would be advertised as a crime weapon. It could have made itself a name with a more underground path within the canals of the R2D movement. What's the tactic ? If it is commercial, I find it greedy and calling out for disturbances long-term. It is the opposite of the low profile chosen by MaxDogBrewing, who even stopped to sell cylinders aside regulators in the end.

This is a good point and one of about wondering about it too. It will surely be shut down at some point once the authorities hear that there is a website selling a suicide device. Like you I don't know why they chose to be so blatant they must know that being so out there like that will get them in trouble?

They operate in a country where laws seem to allow it.

I wonder if strong adhesive tape could be applied upon the borders of the mask and your face, in order to secure the stability of the mask on your face. Just in case.

THIS. Can someone else confirm if this could be done? Also thought of it.