Dead people of SS, how did you manage to overcome SI?

[Gustav Hartmann]

Permanent Daylight is good for counteracting Survival Instinct Is what you say, I just wonder why Survival Instinct will act up during the night instead of Day

Permanent daylight has an effect on our serotonin level. This is somehow funny, because sleep deprivation is a therapy against depressions. The survival instinct will obviously not act up when you sleep, it will just not change when you sleep.

 

[Releasefrompressure]

By being committed to dying.

Si only effects people to an unmanageable level, if they are larping or still have doubts deep down.

It is natural to feel some resistance but to make it into overwhelming thing that throws up obstacle to dying like one last hurdle suggests that, you are clearly not ready to die.

I think if people have such strong SI they should really look for other options as suicide is probably not the best option .

 

[myopybyproxy]

Do you remember BEFORE being conscious, in the year, say, 3457 BC? If you can't, then surely one must assume that's what it's like after your consciousness has gone.

Not to derail the thread, quick aside - I got into an argument with a pro-life family member recently - she said that you don't remember being born, or your first few months of life, but you were still conscious and present for it. How would you respond to that?

 

[Pain In The Ass]

Not to derail the thread, quick aside - I got into an argument with a pro-life family member recently - she said that you don't remember being born, or your first few months of life, but you were still conscious and present for it. How would you respond to that?

I would say you still had not developed the brain neurology to create memories yet, just like for the 14 billion years before you were conceived.

 

[Cryptonite]

Do you remember BEFORE being conscious, in the year, say, 3457 BC? If you can't, then surely one must assume that's what it's like after your consciousness has gone.

2.5 years, and I'm almost done! An old friend has offered me a job cleaning an office with no stairs for one hour a day, which I'll be starting soon. I'm not confident, and if it turns out I can't cope with it, I'm CTBing pretty soon after - after a few months of daily 160mg Oxy, 5mg Xan, Dominos pizza and ice cream, until all the money is gone.

Exactly - do you remember BEFORE being conscious, in the year, say, 3457 BC? If you can't, then surely one must assume that's what it's like after your consciousness has gone.

I can already feel your relief from the damn screen. Our situations seem so relatable.

The nothingness is guaranteed, as I see it. No pain, physical or mental, just so much peace. Wonderful. I see being asleep as a teaser to this and it's nothing but appealing. The pain ends with falling asleep and starts with waking up.

 

[myopybyproxy]

I would say you still had not developed the brain neurology to create memories yet, just like for the 14 billion years before you were conceived.

That's a good response. But even people with dementia or other inability to create memories - eg the infamous vegetative state or severely brain damaged - still exist. Just because you don't remember suffering does not mean you didn't suffer. Alternatively - memory is not a prerequisite for experiencing suffering.

What is to stop someone with no memory from experiencing suffering in the present moment, eternally? Since they've got no memories the two are one and the same.

Apologies for the jumbled words. I'm just trying to settle this quandary for myself. You seem to have a solid grasp on the theory / philosophy around death, hence why I asked you.

 

[Pain In The Ass]

I can already feel your relief from the damn screen. Our situations seem so relatable.

The nothingness is guaranteed, as I see it. No pain, physical or mental, just so much peace. Wonderful. I see being asleep as a teaser to this and it's nothing but appealing. The pain ends with falling asleep and starts with waking up.

Definitely. Nothing but peace. It's just such a shame that the ambition, satisfaction, glory and happiness will never come at any point either. I was rather driven, motivated and excited by the prospect of all that. But maybe that was all just a big fat lie I was manipulated into believing will happen, years ago when I was too young to know any better!

That's a good response. But even people with dementia or other inability to create memories - eg the infamous vegetative state or severely brain damaged - still exist. Just because you don't remember suffering does not mean you didn't suffer. Alternatively - memory is not a prerequisite for experiencing suffering.

What is to stop someone with no memory from experiencing suffering in the present moment, eternally? Since they've got no memories the two are one and the same.

Apologies for the jumbled words. I'm just trying to settle this quandary for myself. You seem to have a solid grasp on the theory / philosophy around death, hence why I asked you.

All I have a solid grasp on is how to fuck your life up! You seem to be talking about a state where you simultaneously suffer, but don't remember the previous millisecond when you experienced suffering, and this strange state continues for millions of years. Is your current experience a memory of what just happened to you a millisecond ago? Then I guess this is possible, but probably wouldn't bother you, if you hadn't the ability to experience it... i.e. you can't remember the suffering that happened a millisecond ago, therefore you can't experience it, if that is HOW we experience the feeling things!

 

[Cryptonite]

Definitely. Nothing but peace. It's just such a shame that the ambition, satisfaction, glory and happiness will never come at any point either. I was rather driven, motivated and excited by the prospect of all that. But maybe that was all just a big fat lie I was manipulated into believing will happen, years ago when I was too young to know any better!

One thing I noticed is that when my physical illness got much worse, I started to exaggerate beauty of everything. Like, even going to a supermarket feels like visiting Disneyland! Maybe it's a trick that our mammal brain is playing on us. Even normal life is filled with many difficulties and nuisances and it's not like blissful constant paradise.

 

[Weebster]

Generally engaging in risk-taking behaviours can drastically reduce your survival instinct. Do some hard drugs, fuck a couple dozen strangers, go for midnight strolls in dodgy alleyways, pick a couple of bar fights. If your life means sweet fuck all to you, these may be easy things for you to do, and even enjoyable. After all, if you want your life to end, there's no reason to care about messing it up?

Fucking escorts seems good.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Do you remember BEFORE being conscious, in the year, say, 3457 BC? If you can't, then surely one must assume that's what it's like after your consciousness has gone.

I agree that, since our memories are we have to go on, then that is all we can go on. It doesn't eliminate other possibilities, though, like our memories were erased regarding previous events, or that memories are "realm specific", and simply "start over' in new realms. Honestly, I don't believe in any if that, but, being open minded, I can't dismiss any other possibilities, either.

 

[Pain In The Ass]

I agree that, since our memories are we have to go on, then that is all we can go on. It doesn't eliminate other possibilities, though, like our memories were erased regarding previous events, or that memories are "realm specific", and simply "start over' in new realms. Honestly, I don't believe in any if that, but, being open minded, I can't dismiss any other possibilities, either.

I agree. But the other possibilities are so vast, if we are talking about anything and everything that could be true, that it seems useless to contemplate them all!

One thing I noticed is that when my physical illness got much worse, I started to exaggerate beauty of everything. Like, even going to a supermarket feels like visiting Disneyland! Maybe it's a trick that our mammal brain is playing on us. Even normal life is filled with many difficulties and nuisances and it's not like blissful constant paradise.

I think I experienced that. I used to lie in bed imagining if I could only do those things I used to take for granted, I'd be happy again. I think it's true for SOME things - maybe the excitement of going to the supermarket wears off after you've done it pain-free a few times - but some of the realizations, that lying on a bed in pain for 1.5 years cause you to have, are true - like the realization that getting to listen to music whilst I'm enjoying my life, and getting to make music with ambition in-mind, are more important to me than almost everything else, and getting to live somewhere on my own, away from any other people, is also vastly important to me - I don't care about careers, education, college, university, I hate full-time work, so why would I want to go to Uni?! - I just want to own my own shitty, rotten, dishevelled house, up north where it's cheap, work part-time, and make music for most of the day. That's mostly what I figured out. Some things I thought were important to me, aren't at all!

 

[Cryptonite]

I think I experienced that. I used to lie in bed imagining if I could only do those things I used to take for granted, I'd be happy again. I think it's true for SOME things - maybe the excitement of going to the supermarket wears off after you've done it pain-free a few times - but some of the realizations, that lying on a bed in pain for 1.5 years cause you to have, are true - like the realization that getting to listen to music whilst I'm enjoying my life, and getting to make music with ambition in-mind, are more important to me than almost everything else, and getting to live somewhere on my own, away from any other people, is also vastly important to me - I don't care about careers, education, college, university, I hate full-time work, so why would I want to go to Uni?! - I just want to own my own shitty, rotten, dishevelled house, up north where it's cheap, work part-time, and make music for most of the day. That's mostly what I figured out. Some things I thought were important to me, aren't at all!

I completely agree that something like this totally changes one's perception of what's important and what's not. I almost feel like a new person considering how much my system system of values has changed. I went from not caring about relationships and wishing to earn a lot of money to prioritizing relationships and having a simple, non-demanding job that would allow me to engage in my hobbies, such as sports.

Does this painful realization of what's been lost gets better with time?

 

[Pain In The Ass]

I completely agree that something like this totally changes one's perception of what's important and what's not. I almost feel like a new person considering how much my system system of values has changed. I went from not caring about relationships and wishing to earn a lot of money to prioritizing relationships and having a simple, non-demanding job that would allow me to engage in my hobbies, such as sports.

Does this painful realization of what's been lost gets better with time?

From my current experience, it's precisely that realization that makes it all so much harder; knowing you could be the happiest you've ever been with this fresh, hard-earned wisdom, but not being able to utilize it. My current view is that the torturousness of it makes CTB all the more appealing and desirable, knowing that the most important life lesson you ever learned had to come at the expense of actually being able to fully live life. Fuck this shit

 

[Cryptonite]

From my current experience, it's precisely that realization that makes it all so much harder; knowing you could be the happiest you've ever been with this fresh, hard-earned wisdom, but not being able to utilize it. My current view is that the torturousness of it makes CTB all the more appealing and desirable, knowing that the most important life lesson you ever learned had to come at the expense of actually being able to fully live life. Fuck this shit

OMG, exactly!! That's 100% spot on, exactly my thoughts as well

 

[braindead91]

Wait.. how are we supposed to get an answer from them? This is a joke right? Lol

 

[Cryptonite]

Wait.. how are we supposed to get an answer from them? This is a joke right? Lol

indeed

 

[braindead91]

indeed

Lol it would be awesome if we could talk to dead people.

 

[Pain In The Ass]

OMG, exactly!! That's 100% spot on, exactly my thoughts as well

Have you also done the whole NHS Pain clinic, if you're in the UK, where they basically tell you it's all psychological, so it's basically your fault and your perspective of pain that's the issue, then print you out some exercise off Google for you to do, that you could've found yourself?

I'm seeing a private pain physio 'specialist' Monday, so I'll see what this arsehole has to say for £65 an hour!

 

[Cryptonite]

Lol it would be awesome if we could talk to dead people.

they'd be probably laughing at our stupidity lol

Have you also done the whole NHS Pain clinic, if you're in the UK, where they basically tell you it's all psychological, so it's basically your fault and your perspective of pain that's the issue, then print you out some exercise off Google for you to do, that you could've found yourself?

I'm seeing a private pain physio 'specialist' Monday, so I'll see what this arsehole has to say for £65 an hour!

Psychological Oh yeah, I've never heard that, only from maybe around 5 doctors

I'm in Central Europe, but given my horrible experiences, I went straight to the best-rated pain doctor that I could find online:
- no downplaying
- no "it's psychological" bullshit
- told me: "Don't bother exercising, it won't work"
- I asked for medical weed, got it immediately

Plus at the end the doctor told me he was diagnosed with the same illness as I was, but that lucky bastard has a rare type without any pain

I'm reluctant to go to pain doctors though, I hate it, my end goal is CTB

 

[Marktheghost]

Wait.. how are we supposed to get an answer from them? This is a joke right? Lol

I have given an answer haven't I?

 

[Someone123]

You cvan get a lot of clues from people on their posts on their last few days before they ctb- that's as close as we can get, and there is good information. They are very focused on their reasons for leaving and on the process and thye have hope for relief for their pain and in some cases they have hope that they are going to a better place.