CTB with Nitrogen, like in Alabama execution method (sorry for the title). Is it a good alternative to N, SN?

[disabledlife]

Here is an explanation video, video that explains the execution method, not the CTB of course. On the other hand, is it adaptable to a CTB, like the EXIT Bag.



Alabama uses this method because, like us, it no longer has access to N. Apparently, some countries refuse to provide it with this substance. These countries, which refuse the sale of these products, are against the death penalty, and have international conventions to hinder countries that practice the death penalty. It's strange that these obstructions are identical to the obstacles against CTB in general (N, SN unavaible, denied to sell).

At the end of the video, they explain that this method has been used in assisted suicide pods, like the Wikipedia link below (Sarco Pod, 3D printed).

Sarco pod - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[mortuarymary]

Apparently according to vets it's a horrible way to go.
That's what I've read lately.

 

[Old Friend]

Apparently according to vets it's a horrible way to go.
That's what I've read lately.

Nah.

 

[mortuarymary]

Nah.

I don't know.

 

[Glandular]

Apparently according to vets it's a horrible way to go.
That's what I've read lately.

We just had some threads about that topic. What we do know: With a proper setup unconsciousness sets in within 20 seconds and it feels like flicking a switch. People who recover (= don't breath pure nitrogen anymore) don't remember anything (same as general anesthesia). We even have video evidence of that in animals (just search youtube).
Now, what we don't know: How much pain does someone experience during the dying process which takes up to 5 - 10 minutes. But I don't really get that argument since with all other methods (SN, hanging, even N) there will also be a period of unconsciousness just before death. I don't see how we can ever truly know how that feels. And as far as I'm concerned - 20 seconds until I pass out with a gas that doesn't smell or react with my body in any hurtful way sounds pretty peaceful and fast.
I also believe that once I'm out there won't be any pain - but that is just my believe.

 

[MBG]

Plenty of people have died from it in industrial accidents. It was so swift and painless they never knew what hit them, made no attempts to escape.

 

[thewalkingdread]

Yes.

I wish I was "inhumanely" executed just like that.

Inert gas hypoxia is one of the most peaceful, painless, quick and dignified ways to go.

Most of this Alabama case media coverage is just pure misinformation and/or biased anti-death penalty propaganda...

PS: It's a shame that even Philip Nitschke has joined this crazed fear mongering.

 

[iusedtobehappy]

We just had some threads about that topic. What we do know: With a proper setup unconsciousness sets in within 20 seconds and it feels like flicking a switch. People who recover (= don't breath pure nitrogen anymore) don't remember anything (same as general anesthesia). We even have video evidence of that in animals (just search youtube).
Now, what we don't know: How much pain does someone experience during the dying process which takes up to 5 - 10 minutes. But I don't really get that argument since with all other methods (SN, hanging, even N) there will also be a period of unconsciousness just before death. I don't see how we can ever truly know how that feels. And as far as I'm concerned - 20 seconds until I pass out with a gas that doesn't smell or react with my body in any hurtful way sounds pretty peaceful and fast.
I also believe that once I'm out there won't be any pain - but that is just my believe.

There is panic absolutely with helium, I know this for a fact from someone I know, but with nitrogen the panic response "shouldn't" be there. We can't know for sure what someone feels right before passing out or even while passed out. Unconsciousness does not equal no brain activity. I have been following nitrogen for a while and it "sounds" like a possible peaceful death but we can't be 100% sure.

 

[Intoxicated]

There is panic absolutely with helium, I know this for a fact from someone I know

Some people can have panic attacks at any unusual situations.

We can't know for sure what someone feels right before passing out or even while passed out.

We can't know for sure whether a brick falls onto your head and kills you someday. Or how about a death from a flying chair?

https://says.com/my/news/15-year-old-boy-killed-by-chair-thrown-from-upper-floors-of-low-cost-flat-in-pantai-dalam

I have been following nitrogen for a while and it "sounds" like a possible peaceful death but we can't be 100% sure.

For most people, a method is considered good if the odds of suffering with it are low. Thinking of 100% guarantees is impractical, since any your plan can be ruined due to circumstances you can't control.

 

[iusedtobehappy]

Some people can have panic attacks at any unusual situations.

We can't know for sure whether a brick falls onto your head and kills you someday. Or how about a death from a flying chair?




For most people, a method is considered good if the odds of suffering with it are low. Thinking of 100% guarantees is impractical, since any your plan can be ruined due to circumstances you can't control.

All true This one was def a freak accident!

 

[Glandular]

There is panic absolutely with helium, I know this for a fact from someone I know, but with nitrogen the panic response "shouldn't" be there.

A panic response happens because of CO2 buildup not because of an inert gas. Since most of the air that we breath IS nitrogen it is fairly easy to say that nitrogen won't cause panic. Helium shares the same characteristics - if there was a panic there might have been something wrong with the setup (too much oxygen mixed with the helium, a leak, SI, ...). Again, you can look up videos all over the internet in which people accidentally pass out on helium balloons - they have no idea whats happening and it can't be painful because they would stop immediately.

 

[thewalkingdread]

 

[iusedtobehappy]

A panic response happens because of CO2 buildup not because of an inert gas. Since most of the air that we breath IS nitrogen it is fairly easy to say that nitrogen won't cause panic. Helium shares the same characteristics - if there was a panic there might have been something wrong with the setup (too much oxygen mixed with the helium, a leak, SI, ...). Again, you can look up videos all over the internet in which people accidentally pass out on helium balloons - they have no idea whats happening and it can't be painful because they would stop immediately.

Right. I was referring to helium which is now watered down so much that who knows what it does. I agree about panic attacks playing a part in it. Scientifically, nitrogen makes sense on paper. I am considering it.