Coronavirus death

[Jean4]

Yes, there is still allot we don't know. I've heard that it's actually mutating and there is now a second, more aggressive strain.

It's possible that the weaker strain affects mostly seniors and the stronger strain affects those who are younger and healthy.

My point is however, people should not be deliberately trying to get the virus to ctb, they would be putting other people's lives at risk. Especially front line doctors, nurses, staff and straining the system.

I honestly think that these people can't be serious. I like to hope that is the case. You are correct about hurting others. I consider that the cardinal rule. It's the same reason I am personally against trains.

 

[Mr.Nobody]

It is unlikely that you die from that.

 

[calendulo]

Yes, there is still allot we don't know. I've heard that it's actually mutating and there is now a second, more aggressive strain.

It's possible that the weaker strain affects mostly seniors and the stronger strain affects those who are younger and healthy.

Excuse me.
Would you please to tell me where come from these informations?.
About to comparing covid19 with HIV. It is a nonsense.

 

[Rdc]

In addition to not testing enough people, the USA is just offering guidelines to slow the spread of the virus. These guidelines are worthless if people don't follow them and they aren't enforced.. Universities and colleges shut down to prevent the spread of the virus. Some students are acting like it is an extended spring break vacation and carrying on like nothing is happening. Florida should have shut down the beaches sooner. I also think that the fact that younger healthier people have a low risk of dying has contributed to the attitude if I get corona it's not such a big deal. Sad.. The pandemic spread, likely recession, collapsing stock market and rising unemployment will result in more suicides. I'm glad I have my meto and SN. If things don't improve for me I might have the courage to CTB.

 

[HadEnough1974]

Excuse me.
Would you please to tell me where come from these informations?.
About to comparing covid19 with HIV. It is a nonsense.

Do your research. I have.

 

[calendulo]

Do your research. I have.

Yes I know that source. It is very reliable. Thanks.

 

[HadEnough1974]

Yes I know that source. It is very reliable. Thanks.

Coronavirus: Are there two strains and is one more deadly?

Researchers in China say there are two strains of the new coronavirus, one of which is more aggressive – but the World Health Organization says the virus is stable

www.newscientist.com

Enjoy

 

[calendulo]

Coronavirus: Are there two strains and is one more deadly?

Researchers in China say there are two strains of the new coronavirus, one of which is more aggressive – but the World Health Organization says the virus is stable

www.newscientist.com

Enjoy

I guessed that it was a question, not a statement.There is a lot of them.
But Thank you so much for the link.

 

[Valsalva]

You will NOT die from that virus unless you are ill or really old!

I can not stand this Corona crap any more!

 

[calendulo]

I can not stand this Corona crap any more!

Coronacrap sound really so much better than Coronabus.
From now on I am going to use Coronacrap. Guess....Do you allow me use your copyright?, I hope so.
You have won a like. Well deserve.

 

[Quarky00]

Recent European study found that asthma, COPD and diabetes are NOT risk factors for DEATH. You need a serious comorbidity (several conditions).

These may , however , contribute to developing some flu symptoms , which the rest of the population won't have .

Fatality rate is 0.2% for those under 60 and similar to flu (15% for above 70). These rates will get lower as time progresses since many are infected yet asymptomatic and undiagnosed. This was known from the beginning.

SARS-2 stands in contrast to SARS-1: more easily spread, less fatal.

Unless you have COPD + heart + immune conditions (for example) you are not at risk of dying.
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I've heard that it's actually mutating and there is now a second, more aggressive strain.

It's possible that the weaker strain affects mostly seniors and the stronger strain affects those who are younger and healthy.

Coronavirus: Are there two strains and is one more deadly?

Researchers in China say there are two strains of the new coronavirus, one of which is more aggressive – but the World Health Organization says the virus is stable

www.newscientist.com

Enjoy

The two strains theory was rebutted . There are 200 functional dna variations ("mutations"). I posted their tree here about a week ago (inc geo spread), these are NOT strains . That Chinese research was labeled as "spreading misinformation" by senior researchers.

 

[calendulo]

Recent European study found that asthma, COPD and diabetes are NOT risk factors for DEATH. You need a serious comorbidity (several conditions).

These may , however , contribute to developing some flu symptoms , which the rest of the population won't have .

Fatality rate is 0.2% for those under 60 and similar to flu (15% for above 70). These rates will get lower as time progresses since many are infected yet asymptomatic and undiagnosed. This was known from the beginning.

SARS-2 stands in contrast to SARS-1: more easily spread, less fatal.

Unless you have COPD + heart + immune conditions (for example) you are not at risk of dying.

Two things:

I think to know what is COPD, but if you were so kind to say me the whole name. I think in spanish is EPOC. But iI am not sure. Just curiosity. Thanks in advance.

And second. An Official Health Italian Service report. I attached it.

 

[Rdc]

This is good video explaining how the coronavirus makes you Sick day by day. While it may not kill you there is a 25% chance (50s age group) it could lead to severe complications that would require hospitalization. It could also lead to permanent lung damage. The video state severe complications require supplemental oxygen. By not receiving supplemental oxygen you will be at greater risk of dying or in severe distress with possible lung damage. Im more worried about developing severe symptoms, suffering while trying to recover on my own, while avoiding going to the hospital. A life left in financial ruin and damaged lungs is not worth living for me. I don't have much in my life other than some savings and my health. If both are taken away from me I really have nothing left.

 

[Clut]

Two things:

I think to know what is COPD, but if you were so kind to say me the whole name. I think in spanish is EPOC. But iI am not sure. Just curiosity. Thanks in advance.

And second. An Official Health Italian Service report. I attached it.

Copd is chronic obstructive pulmonary disease

 

[Valsalva]

Coronacrap sound really so much better than Coronabus.
From now on I am going to use Coronacrap. Guess....Do you allow me use your copyright?, I hope so.
You have won a like. Well deserve.

Coronacrap sound really so much better than Coronabus.
From now on I am going to use Coronacrap. Guess....Do you allow me use your copyright?, I hope so.
You have won a like. Well deserve.

Agree.

 

[calendulo]

Copd is chronic obstructive pulmonary disease

Thanks so much.Confirmed
I knew it. In Spanish is EPOC.
Enfermedad Puulmonar oclusiva cronica.
Thanks again.

 

[Talokin]

There's a complex equation to determine this. Multiply your age with your weight, divide by # of sexual partners. Then add 2 for every day last month you ate a fastfood salad or drank diet soda. Now, eat 4 pieces of American Cheese. And count backwards from 10.

If you got the virus and started smoking wouldnt that be enough to kill you? Im asking because I plan on doing that but the the thing is I never smoked in my life so how many packs would I have to actually smoke to die in combination with getting the virus?

 

[Buffy5120]

Yes, there is still allot we don't know. I've heard that it's actually mutating and there is now a second, more aggressive strain.

It's possible that the weaker strain affects mostly seniors and the stronger strain affects those who are younger and healthy.

My point is however, people should not be deliberately trying to get the virus to ctb, they would be putting other people's lives at risk. Especially front line doctors, nurses, staff and straining the system.

If you want to ctb, there are quicker methods that won't put others at risk.

Im new to this sorry for asking but what does ctb mean?

 

[Rdc]

Im new to this sorry for asking but what does ctb mean?

Catch the bus= suicide

 

[clandestine]

Recent European study found that asthma, COPD and diabetes are NOT risk factors for DEATH. You need a serious comorbidity (several conditions).

have you got a link to this study?

 

[Quarky00]

have you got a link to this study?

Yeah , but I don't really care about this fucking world or this stupid virus , so just google it

* Oh , wait , members in distress

Google "Asthma Coronavirus research" (or COPD instead of Asthma) , it's on the first page . Look for real research (not WHO/CDC guidelines and speculations) .

 

[clandestine]

Yeah , but I don't really care about this fucking world or this stupid virus , so just google it

* Oh , wait , members in distress

Google "Asthma Coronavirus research" (or COPD instead of Asthma) , it's on the first page . Look for real research (not WHO/CDC guidelines and speculations) .

lol thanks but I tried both search terms and couldn't find the study you're referring to

 

[Misanthrope]

@Quarky00 Look for real research (not WHO/CDC guidelines and speculations)

Why do you not consider the above real research?

 

[Quarky00]

lol thanks but I tried both search terms and couldn't find the study you're referring to

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/all.14238


For example, I'm reading the CDC warning (similar to WHO etc):

People with asthma may be at higher risk of getting very sick from COVID-19. COVID-19 can affect your respiratory tract (nose, throat, lungs), cause an asthma attack, and possibly lead to pneumonia and acute respiratory disease.

You can see how flimsy it is .. Why scare people? Yeah COPD, asthma, etc generally means more risk of developing respiratory symptoms -- but not higher risks of fatality. News outlets push "COPD is a risk factor". That's misinformation.


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@Quarky00 Look for real research (not WHO/CDC guidelines and speculations)
Why do you not consider the above real research?

Lol . Because they just did not do research (it's guidelines) . Simply put , CDC did not research this .. So I don't consider what they publish as real research because it's not .. researched lol (plus case in point above) .

Another small example is that we're talking about SARS-2 . That's what International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses decided . I respect those folks . WHO decided not to use that name but uses "Covid-19 virus" because they 'don't wanna scare people'. It's redundant: Covid = corona virus disease .. It shows lack of medical/scientific professionalism. It also shows poor judgment because calling it SARS-2 is less scary (folks would think "Ah yeah we had this nasty thing a decade or two ago").

In February WHO claimed it's non inflectional during incubation (asymptomatic) period . So why quarantine if you don't have symptoms? ;) You can see either false claims or contradictions . They're basically correcting one mistake by making another . Wash . Rinse . Repeat .

The list is really endless --

Updated: WHO Now Doesn't Recommend Avoiding Ibuprofen For COVID-19 Symptoms

Editor's note (19 March 2020): Since the publication of this article, the World Health Organization has updated its advice on the official Twitter account: "Based on currently available information, WHO does not recommend against the use of ibuprofen."...

www.sciencealert.com

 

[Rdc]

Well this study states that ace inhibitor drugs taken for high blood pressure and diabetes increase the risk of developing severe or fatal coronavirus symptoms. I'm on the highest dose of an ace inhibitor (lisinopril) for hypertension so now I have something else to worry about if I catch it. Sure I may not die but I don't want to end up in the hospital with huge medical bills. It would be like a death sentence for me if this happened.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext

Human pathogenic coronaviruses (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus [SARS-CoV] and SARS-CoV-2) bind to their target cells through angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which is expressed by epithelial cells of the lung, intestine, kidney, and blood vessels.
4The expression of ACE2 is substantially increased in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, who are treated with ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II type-I receptor blockers (ARBs).
4Hypertension is also treated with ACE inhibitors and ARBs, which results in an upregulation of ACE2.
5 ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen. These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19.

This article explains it in less technical terms.

ACE-inhibitors, ARBs and COVID-19: What GPs need to know

Some are considering the role of antihypertensives in the coronavirus pandemic, but experts warn against abruptly stopping these medications.

www1.racgp.org.au

 

[autumnal]

Don't be mean, maybe English isn't their primary language, maybe something else is in the mix, you don't know.

Was just some good-natured ribbing. Plus from his response I think he intentionally used coronabus as catching the corona bus, i.e. suicide by corona so I'm actually the one looking foolish

 

[Quarky00]

Well this study states that ace inhibitor drugs taken for high blood pressure and diabetes increase the risk of developing severe or fatal coronavirus symptoms. I'm on the highest dose of an ace inhibitor (lisinopril) for hypertension so now I have something else to worry about if I catch it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext

Human pathogenic coronaviruses (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus [SARS-CoV] and SARS-CoV-2) bind to their target cells through angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which is expressed by epithelial cells of the lung, intestine, kidney, and blood vessels.
4The expression of ACE2 is substantially increased in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, who are treated with ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II type-I receptor blockers (ARBs).
4Hypertension is also treated with ACE inhibitors and ARBs, which results in an upregulation of ACE2.
5 ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen. These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19.

Speculations . Read carefully .

These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that..

Low level scientific masturbation . Even if everything is true in that hypothesis -- increased ACE2 facilitates covid-19 infection, great! -- how did you get to fatal ???? You only got higher chances of infection , of an already highly infectious disease lol .

 

[clandestine]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/all.14238


For example, I'm reading the CDC warning (similar to WHO etc):

You can see how flimsy it is .. Why scare people? Yeah COPD, asthma, etc generally means more risk of developing respiratory symptoms -- but not higher risks of fatality. News outlets push "COPD is a risk factor". That's misinformation

oh I don't doubt the scare mongering and misinformation. Thanks for the link (:

 

[Rdc]

Speculations . Read carefully .



Low level scientific masturbation . Even if everything is true in that hypothesis -- increased ACE2 facilitates covid-19 infection, great! -- how did you get to fatal ???? You only got higher chances of infection , of an already highly infectious disease lol .

I know it's a hypothesis but the reasoning and the statistics behind the study are concerning. Those with hypertension and diabetes suffered more severe complications. I'm not worried about dying. I'm worried about not being able to afford hospitalization and pain and suffering i might experience fighting severe symptoms that require supplemental oxygen that I will not have without medical assistance. Gasping for air for prolonged periods of time will be frightening and painful. Yes only a small chance of dying however there is a 25% chance of suffering severe complications which is probably higher if you have hypertension and diabetes. Also more severe symptoms and greater risk of serious infection could lead to permanent lung damage.you may not die but you may wish you were dead after the doctors and hospitals try to take all your money and your left with a disabled lung. ..lol

 

[Misanthrope]

Well thanks for the info. I am too tired to read. I should probably care more but I feel past that.