Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[cappuccinogirl]

Hi briquettes def still really hot even after burning out. Def need bricks or cold water pan everyone. Left them about an hour after igniting. Read leave them 20 minutes but wasnt sure they were still burning. Anyone know how long after carbon monoxide lasts? Used 1.5 kg. Thanks

Also would def recommend proper heat gloves to carry it. Oven gloves not enough.
When I tested levels a couple of hours after lighting was only c250 ppm. I thought the carbon M was supposed to last quite a while. Used heat beads briquettes. Got better levels from one disposable charcoal bbq before, but ppl on here have recommended briquettes. ... Anyone done any tests with levels? Fed up with these technical difficulties.

 

[wanttodie.nz]

I just bought three disposable bbqs. I think I will test with those first one night to see if they work.

 

[Joannf]

I just bought three disposable bbqs. I think I will test with those first one night to see if they work.

Coals as such do have a tendency to burn at high temperatures, it's just brave to expect that you light up the paper bag they're in, and that this would ignite them.
It won't. At least get firestarters.
It's of course good to see what effect the glowing coals will have inside an enclosed space, that can be an enlightening experience - so you can estimate the heat and smoke and all that, and get used to it. The most important thing is to make the coals become grey evenly from all sides, this will always end in a compromise - and to make sure this happens with all three at the same time, so you can have them inside your enclosed space after roughly 30, 35 minutes for maximal effect.

 

[wanttodie.nz]

There are stories on this thread of people dying from just one disposable bbq

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

There are stories on this thread of people dying from just one disposable bbq

There seem to be accidents involving them all the time too. But then there was the story of this one guy on the forum who attempted to kill himself that way, did it in a car (so a small space) and still failed.

 

[wanttodie.nz]

That's why I want to run a test with a meter to see what levels I get.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

That's why I want to run a test with a meter to see what levels I get.

That's what he did too, meter went only to 1,000 ppm though.

 

[wanttodie.nz]

what's a lethal level?

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

what's a lethal level?

Carbon monoxide poisoning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

35 ppm (0.0035%), (0.035‰)	Headache and dizziness within six to eight hours of constant exposure
100 ppm (0.01%), (0.1‰)	Slight headache in two to three hours
200 ppm (0.02%), (0.2‰)	Slight headache within two to three hours; loss of judgment
400 ppm (0.04%), (0.4‰)	Frontal headache within one to two hours
800 ppm (0.08%), (0.8‰)	Dizziness, nausea, and convulsions within 45 min; insensible within 2 hours
1,600 ppm (0.16%), (1.6‰)	Headache, increased heart rate, dizziness, and nausea within 20 min; death in less than 2 hours
3,200 ppm (0.32%), (3.2‰)	Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes.
6,400 ppm (0.64%), (6.4‰)	Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.
12,800 ppm (1.28%), (12.8‰)	Unconsciousness after 2–3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes.

 

[Joannf]

There seem to be accidents involving them all the time too. But then there was the story of this one guy on the forum who attempted to kill himself that way, did it in a car (so a small space) and still failed.

Yeah I think he overdid and underdid it at the same time - that's not uncommon. He took some relaxing oral helpers, don't recall which - like, beer, valium or stronger - which makes sense but you have to understand that these will dumb you down , make you careless, or at worse make you feel that life is livable - the horror !
Or just put you to sleep. He also probably underestimate the lacking airtightness of the car.
Don't recall if the amount of CO he produced was sufficient right now, but I think he completely understood why he failed. That restored my faith in human intelligence ;))
LOOK : You have to do this WELL.
Think it through.
Compare sources..
Do the fucking MATH.
Be a man, or woman !!! Walk the walk.
You want this, you are fed up with the shit.
I can so tell you that I am - I'm a strong personality, I'm high IQ, considered physically attractive, been successful in a creative business, had great relationships - whoa, big fucking deal. No serious personal stickups - a few accidents. So what ? I had a great life, but... going on forty, what now ? What do I want ?
Are there still traditions we can cling to ? Everything got deconstructed.
Probably just my exaggerated expectations... something that would last after I die...
Don't we all suffer from that ? Maybe we should go back to being just healthy mammals. Do our thing. Be part of evolution rather than try to be smart asses and escape - where to, what for ? WE CAN'T. We can only masturbate and make believe.
So when society actually started to ape back down, furthering retardedness as a virtue, I simply couldn't take that - we should have gone on developing, I had expected that. I would have so loved more evolution - was that unhealthy ? I don't think so.
So - fuck you, primates ! Die out, primeval, amphibian scavenger shit ! Bong, bazong, swat-beep ! Woo-hoo !
...
But I really only want to get out of the momentary mood (almost done) and I think it would be a fucking waste of time at this point to even get into the details of why... I had a complete breakdown today, never experienced this before. NEVER in my life.
It was a cloudy day in July, very exceptional here... here reminiscent of November.
I need the Sun.
I couldn't take it. I began to howl... I revised my plans and decided to pre-pone the ctb dates, and check out October latest.
Nervous breakdown, almost physical. I felt as if my head would explode. No exit except one.

Life is not initially for thinkers, only for breeders - and the evolution of associative intelligence can be seen as an errant strain.
Life is basically a molecular complication that furthers universal entropy, NOTHING ELSE BUT THAT CAN BE PLAUSIBLY PROVEN, and if you as a mammal manage to interpret this as a satisfactory 'meaning,' be my guest ;)
You're in luck, you're managing yourself.
For me, THE FASTER, THE BETTER.
...
Ooph. Feeling way better after two glasses of Port. Whoa but that was terrible... terrible.
I don't want to feel like this ever again/
I'd really prefer to be dead.

Carbon monoxide poisoning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

35 ppm (0.0035%), (0.035‰)	Headache and dizziness within six to eight hours of constant exposure
100 ppm (0.01%), (0.1‰)	Slight headache in two to three hours
200 ppm (0.02%), (0.2‰)	Slight headache within two to three hours; loss of judgment
400 ppm (0.04%), (0.4‰)	Frontal headache within one to two hours
800 ppm (0.08%), (0.8‰)	Dizziness, nausea, and convulsions within 45 min; insensible within 2 hours
1,600 ppm (0.16%), (1.6‰)	Headache, increased heart rate, dizziness, and nausea within 20 min; death in less than 2 hours
3,200 ppm (0.32%), (3.2‰)	Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes.
6,400 ppm (0.64%), (6.4‰)	Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.
12,800 ppm (1.28%), (12.8‰)	Unconsciousness after 2–3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes.

1600 can do - airtight premises.4000 is a safe bet, but with acids you can reach 50000 PPM in a car or a small room.
I can explain the math.
Seriously - everybody can teleport and forever circle the galaxy, accompanied by the Phoenix Asteroids...
Never forget to tell people that the 'nausea' often mentioned is not a quality of CO, but simply resulting from lack of oxygen over a long period of time.
So you want to have an AMPLE supply of oxygen - make sure of that. Don't strangle yourself.
Then kick in the CO, which is able to replace the Oxygen at molecular level, by about factor 250...
So, ample supply of Oxygen is in no way detrimental. It won't matter, but it will keep the nausea away.
You can have as much Oxygen it as you like. Is this understood ? Just don't let the CO escape...
No headaches for you. Only CO can do this !
It's almost magic... the most elegant killer gas ever ;)
Die a sophisticat.

 

[dreamsofdestruction]

But I really only want to get out of the momentary mood (almost done) and I think it would be a fucking waste of time at this point to even get into the details of why... I had a complete breakdown today, never experienced this before. NEVER in my life.
It was a cloudy day in July, very exceptional here... here reminiscent of November.
I need the Sun.
I couldn't take it. I began to howl... I revised my plans and decided to pre-pone the ctb dates, and check out October latest.
Nervous breakdown, almost physical. I felt as if my head would explode. No exit except one.

Really sorry to hear that. I had a few of those too this year and they are dreadful.

 

[Joannf]

Really sorry to hear that. I had a few of those too this year and they are dreadful.

Thank you... really was my first ever, much cardiac breakdown-like (I guess) - very impressive and uncontrollable, when I'm always in control of everything.
Damn.
It was the sort of lighting you'd expect in winter, the heavy summer heat suddenly gone - Hurricane Season in the Americas, debris drifting in from the Caribbean, so it suddenly seems to be like late autumn, when you are constantly checking the solar load... that catapulted me four months ahead.
Pushes being a biological life form right down the abyss .Yesterday, we were thinking about brush fires, two in the vicinity, abt 300 firemen on each.
Today... memento mori shock, fast forward.
Blew my mind, sorry about that - I must be getting old.
That this should even be possible in an animal mostly meant to duplicate itself, is disconcerting.
As for Free Will, that was an infantile assumption from the start, waste of time talking about it.
What hackneyed compromises we are, the existence of this forum being ample proof.
Very irritating and positively Unbritish ;)
Trying to be constructive - we need such wake-up calls here and there...
And the summer heat will be back in August, cuando viene el gran calor - I'll be super grateful ;)))

 

[Joannf]

That's why I want to run a test with a meter to see what levels I get.

Are you using charcoals ? i can only advise to use charcoal if you have a dedicated, air tight small room for the purpose - the bathroom sort, emphasis on air tight.
You also should have about two hours free and unmolested. If that's the case, you really have to be a dunce to fail even with coals ;)
In all other cases I'd advise to use acids, Very precise, fast, no fire and you really don't need a meter at all. It's simply arithmetics.
And it's of course engineering the bloody setup just right. STEM, y'know. Wot wymyn do best ;)))
No worries. It can be hacked. I mean - I can hack it, so what ?

 

[Avicii]

I can't help but think that this wasn't an accident as portrayed he went out to the woods by himself anyone else think it was suicide !? For me it would be a perfect way to go - it's my plan anyway still waiting on someone to get back to me explaining how to block air gaps in car with tin foil ?? I thought masking tape would do - ideally I want to go like this dude as an accident will be more accepted by family than suicide

Father's carbon monoxide plea after son died cooking burgers

A father has pleaded to campers to be aware of the dangers of using disposable BBQs after his son died of carbon monoxide poisoning after cooking burgers in his camper van.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Pointlesslife]

You should be able to transport coals inside after about 30 minutes. They will emit the most CO after 20 minutes (but only some will be greay by then) to 50 minutes. After one hour, they will starts to turn into ashes and be worthless.


Buy three or more. You need about 3 kgs in a car. The problem with these grills is that they a hard to set alight if you just do what they tell you on the cover - that's marketing blabla, coals don't burn that easily - this doesn't matter for a barbecue and so the bastards get away with it. But you really need to do better. I have multiple posts on this thread with photos that explain how to do it just right. This is the main drawback of the coal method.



Generator manufacturers are not yet much aware that a large portion of their customers buy the things to greedily breathe the exhaust gases - if they were, many of them would find it hilarious. But if you wait long enough, manufacturers will equip their products with a catalysator. Some super-caring western laws will help that development along eventually, but right now generators need to stay cheap for the third world, where people use them to stay alive.

As to the generator shutting off due to lack of oxygen, you could fix a tube to the exhaust (short, stubby buggers, those), so it would not run inside the space where you breathe. The exhaust gasses don't hurt but will make you very uncomfortable, probably retch and so on. Try to filter them.
The simplest way to do that should be a cheap gas mask with a normal active coal filter - this will keep most of the gases from your lungs but not the CO.
Wear swimming goggles.
This could have the additional bonus that when you're found, people will think it's not a suicide, but that some sexual pervert met an early demise ;))

I agree that generators will eventually be equipped with the technology to reduce CO emissions, but we should take advantage of them while they still don't have it. Running the generator in another room so that it has greater oxygen to last longer (which is how I interpreted that part of your reply) would seem unnecessary to me because wouldn't running it in the same room still allow it to produce large amounts of CO to ensure death with high certainty?

As far as filtering the other gasses I think it would be a good idea to run a plastic tube from the exhaust into a five gallon water bottle filled with water.

 

[Joannf]

I agree that generators will eventually be equipped with the technology to reduce CO emissions, but we should take advantage of them while they still don't have it. Running the generator in another room so that it has greater oxygen to last longer (which is how I interpreted that part of your reply) would seem unnecessary to me because wouldn't running it in the same room still allow it to produce large amounts of CO to ensure death with high certainty?

As far as filtering the other gasses I think it would be a good idea to run a plastic tube from the exhaust into a five gallon water bottle filled with water.

I wasn't concerned about the gen running in the same room, you were ;)
I had an experience with such a generator years ago and barely got away... I just went dizzy while walking and was out of the room just before I dropped.
Plastic is not such a great idea - if it was, they would be making car exhausts from plastic since decades.
Hot stuff, hundreds of degrees, you need metal for at least the first yard.

 

[Pointlesslife]

A couple of things I have on mind. Firstly would duct tape be sufficient to cover up cracks and places to ensure CO doesn't escape. I think it would but am not positive and it's what I currently have in mind to seal up my bathroom.

Also, something I think has not been mentioned in this thread is to fill a space with some extras like cans, bottles, metal, or anything that takes up space really and CO doesn't get on the inside. This way the CO would be contained within a smaller area thus higher CO concentration.

 

[Joannf]

A couple of things I have on mind. Firstly would duct tape be sufficient to cover up cracks and places to ensure CO doesn't escape. I think it would but am not positive and it's what I currently have in mind to seal up my bathroom.

Also, something I think has not been mentioned in this thread is to fill a space with some extras like cans, bottles, metal, or anything that takes up space really and CO doesn't get on the inside. This way the CO would be contained within a smaller area thus higher CO concentration.

Duct tape will be okay for walls etc. but not for exhausts ;)
You can theoretically blow up several balloons or trash bags with air and thereby reduce the air volume that will mix with the CO = higher concentration.
What volume room are you planning to use ?

 

[Pointlesslife]

Duct tape will be okay for walls etc. but not for exhausts ;)
You can theoretically blow up several balloons or trash bags with air and thereby reduce the air volume that will mix with the CO = higher concentration.
What volume room are you planning to use ?

Walls, etc is what I meant. I would estimate my bathroom to be 7 - 8 cubic meters. In regards to your earlier reply did you accidently intoxicate yourself with CO from a generator or was it that you couldn't handle the smell and left?

 

[Joannf]

Walls, etc is what I meant. I would estimate my bathroom to be 7 - 8 cubic meters. In regards to your earlier reply did you accidently intoxicate yourself with CO from a generator or was it that you couldn't handle the smell and left?

I was idiotic enough to take the generator inside the hall - there was no sun and I wanted to charge the batteries - thinking why not use the exhaust warmth... the hall is connected to a large two storey room with a staircase, so I thought it wouldn't be a problem. But it was, just passing through the hall from the living room made me almost lose it but I went on through with weak knees, then out. That was ten years ago...
The smell can be handled though it's bad - many people didn't care about that when they still killed themselves with the exhaust gasses from their cars.

 

[justanotherday]

There seem to be accidents involving them all the time too. But then there was the story of this one guy on the forum who attempted to kill himself that way, did it in a car (so a small space) and still failed.

I failed... and I was using an old antique car that did produce plenty of co!

I failed... and I was using an old antique car that did produce plenty of co!

No enough CO in car exhausts anymore because of regulators and regulations, sorry to say my friend.

Coals finished smoking and white, then 20 minutes into the car. Rest the pole on bricks or in a tin of cold water or both so the heat doesn't burn down.

I failed... and I was using an old antique car that did produce plenty of co!

Old cars produce enough co to be deadly. Cars from the early 1980s and older...

I failed... and I was using an old antique car that did produce plenty of co!



Old cars produce enough co to be deadly. Cars from the early 1980s and older...

I failed... and I was using an old antique car that did produce plenty of co!



Old cars produce enough co to be deadly. Cars from the early 1980s and older...

Someone found me and that is why I survived....
Sorry, I do not mean to be posting multiple times.... Having technical problem... this happened the other day

 

[Pointlesslife]

Joannf, in regards to your suggestion to use a gas mask wouldn't that also filter out the carbon monoxide. After all, gas masks are meant to block you from breathing all harmful gases aren't they.

 

[wanttodie.nz]

I failed... and I was using an old antique car that did produce plenty of co!



Old cars produce enough co to be deadly. Cars from the early 1980s and older...


Someone found me and that is why I survived....
Sorry, I do not mean to be posting multiple times.... Having technical problem... this happened the other day

So someone found you? If you had not been rescued it would have worked?

 

[Cheezmam]

Risk of dementia after charcoal-burning suicide attempts: a nationwide cohort study in Taiwan | Journal of Investigative Medicine

Looks like there are failures over in Asia, with dementia as a result.

 

[Pointlesslife]

I strongly dislike the possibility of failure and brain damage (possibly becoming a vegetable from CO poisoning). Sodium nitrite may be a better option due to the fact that you are highly unlikely to sustain any permanent damage due to the reversibility of it. Combining CO poisinging and SN is also something to consider.

 

[justanotherday]

So someone found you? If you had not been rescued it would have worked?

Well, I cannot say for sure. All I can say for sure is that the emergency room doctors said I had deadly , dangerously high levels in my blood. I think what was more likely to happen was some brain damage. It messed up my thinking there for about until a year afterwards.

Well, I cannot say for sure. All I can say for sure is that the emergency room doctors said I had deadly , dangerously high levels in my blood. I think what was more likely to happen was some brain damage. It messed up my thinking there for about until a year afterwards.

My mistake is that I need to do my research and not be doing things on too much impulse.

 

[SelfHatingAspie]

Cicero man’s condition improves after chemical suicide attempt on I-81

Phillip Roundy, 53, was in serious condition July 8 after he was rescued from his vehicle, state police said.

www.syracuse.com

CO method?

Sounds more like S2N to me, a.k.a the Japanese Detergent method.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/japanese-detergent-suicide.6950/

I strongly dislike the possibility of failure and brain damage (possibly becoming a vegetable from CO poisoning). Sodium nitrite may be a better option due to the fact that you are highly unlikely to sustain any permanent damage due to the reversibility of it. Combining CO poisinging and SN is also something to consider.

My two preferred methods are CO and SN, in no particular order. I've been considering combining both, just in case whichever method I ended up choosing happens to fail. I'm guessing the chances of both methods failing simultaneously would appear to be quite low, unless I completely botched my attempt. But would one cancel out the other? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I need to do more research. Damn this analysis paralysis!

 

[Pointlesslife]

Sounds more like S2N to me, a.k.a the Japanese Detergent method.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/japanese-detergent-suicide.6950/

My two preferred methods are CO and SN, in no particular order. I've been considering combining both, just in case whichever method I ended up choosing happens to fail. I'm guessing the chances of both methods failing simultaneously would appear to be quite low, unless I completely botched my attempt. But would one cancel out the other? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I need to do more research. Damn this analysis paralysis!

You bring up a good point. Combining the two may not be a good idea. Both of these methods work by preventing the hemoglobin to bring oxygen to organs. So one has to wonder would one make the other useless? Would they both have an effect but both a weaker effect? or would it be a combined stronger effect? We have to look more into it. I also feel that I am suffering from analysis paralysis btw.

 

[jake3d]

Treatment/antidote for both conditions is the same, I do not think that they will fight each other, rather you will go out faster.

 

[cappuccinogirl]

The ch8 post and ppl on here have said to leave briquettes/ charcoal until white/ ashy but in tests done with heat beads briquettes they're taking a long time for the orange inside to die down. They.re v hot and orangy still nearly 2 hours after and bit scarey to bring inside. I started them in chimney starter for c half hour. But if I leave them until grey on tests with 1000 meter only seem to be getting 250/ 300 ppm. Might still build up in room. Any advice pls on this. ? Read they can give off c M for hours but levels don't seem high for that long. Thanks very much.