Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[purplemoon]

I agree that generators will eventually be equipped with the technology to reduce CO emissions, but we should take advantage of them while they still don't have it. Running the generator in another room so that it has greater oxygen to last longer (which is how I interpreted that part of your reply) would seem unnecessary to me because wouldn't running it in the same room still allow it to produce large amounts of CO to ensure death with high certainty?

As far as filtering the other gasses I think it would be a good idea to run a plastic tube from the exhaust into a five gallon water bottle filled with water.

Hi ... Please excuse my newbie-ness.... Where would I buy a gasoline generator? And would there be any specifications in particular I should look for? (I have no idea what I'm doing unfortunately... thank you for your patience)

 

[purplemoon]

Portable generators produce 50000ppm CO in its exhaust air. With coals it's harder to get to really high levels. People have bought CO meters and tested how much they need coals to get the wanted CO level. One guy said he got 10000ppm (=1%) CO with coals in his test but he said he used 4 times more coals than other one said is enough.
Acid thing might work if person would know how to build the device for it. Just mixing acids most likely won't work (acid fumes burn and that way CO levels may not rise well).

I'm grateful for your kindness, patience, and knowledge. Thank you that helped me learn more. So maybe theoretically one should just get a gasoline generator to be sure (especially for people like umm....me...who have zero knowledge)....

If *someone* wanted to get a generator to try to be more certain (versus a giant gasoline fuel headache all for nothing) what store would you go to ??
What type of Generator would you buy?
:-D I really appreciate you and all the other people on here... I've tried long periods on my own researching the internet...yet here I am still learning more just from a few posts!!! Thank you!!

 

[purplemoon]

Same stores which sells grills, camping and automobile staff usually sell portable electricity generators (called also as aggregators) where I live.
If you search it from Internet with your city's name I bet you will find a store that sells them. Stanley is one trade mark.
Portable, gasoline working generator that makes electricity is it.

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Thank you :-) It's my first day on here (i know it's probably laughably obvious, LOL) ... if i write more than 1 message to the same person?
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[purplemoon]

https://www.costco.com/generators.html

That's nice of you, thank you. Darn, they are more expensive than I thought... I might just have to use a ton of Everclear and kool aid and drown in a pleasant bathtub. (but apparently i'm too hard to kill...why is that?)

Do you ever feel that way? It's like why the irony? All those people who want to live can have my years...

 

[a.h]

That's nice of you, thank you. Darn, they are more expensive than I thought... I might just have to use a ton of Everclear and kool aid and drown in a pleasant bathtub. (but apparently i'm too hard to kill...why is that?)

Do you ever feel that way? It's like why the irony? All those people who want to live can have my years...

The cheapest ones costing 150-200$ are good.

True. I have few close calls from accidents (other my fault, other one not) and the greatest nde experience. But both were pleasant (euphoria from lack of air) and no pain. So I don't fear it because of them.

 

[purplemoon]

The cheapest ones costing 150-200$ are good.

True. I have few close calls from accidents (other my fault, other one not) and the greatest nde experience. But both were pleasant (euphoria from lack of air) and no pain. So I don't fear it because of them.

Thank you. I have had 2 nde's... probably the main reason I can hardly wait to go again for years...
If you ever feel like briefly sharing, you can.
Mine had God & Jesus tell me I suffer so much because I'm one of many witnesses... part of God's way of proving reason to send them to hell apparently... I told him I don't want that job and it was almost like entertainment for them indicating it is impossible to change my "Job" on this planet. Anyway... there is heaven and hell, demons and angels, floating around like a big kid at first, at least from my NDE.

 

[Dawn0071111]

Hi!
Inside hotel rooms there are fire protection devices?

DONT DO A C0 METHOD IN A PLACE WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE THE GAS COULD KILL THEM TOO!!!! YOU NEED TO BE ISOLATED. AWAY FROM ANYTHING LIVING.

 

[Lyndsey]

Sorry to ask if this has already been asked but can anyone recommend the best carbon monoixide meter reader that reads 100000ppm accurately

 

[Qverty7455]

Is there anyone actually experienced in this method or tried it but stopped before falling out?
I have some questions.
I firstly heard about this method after hearing about Jonghyun and most people there will know him I listen to k-pop from time to time so that's where I heard it.
He just used few coal briquettes on a frying pan and in a hour or two he was gone...I don't actually understand how that could potentially happen. Everyone is saying you need at least 1kg of coal and burn it well before getting it to a tent or car (I don't have car so I will have to use tent if I choose this method) but briquettes are worse than pure coal at least I heard it. They produce way less CO + he was in a room and I guess it wasn't small room like tent so if it was that "easy" it would be enough to lit your BBQ grill outside with a few coall and after 1h get it into your tent and take some sleeping pills or just don't sleep 2 days before and you will be so tired that you will seal the tent let the BBQ grill with the coal do it's work and go to sleep and never wake up? Doesn't matter if you die in 3min or 5hours, no ? If you are sleeping...or am I wrong?

 

[Dawn0071111]

Sorry to ask if this has already been asked but can anyone recommend the best carbon monoixide meter reader that reads 100000ppm accurately

They cost hundreds of dollars....

I'm grateful for your kindness, patience, and knowledge. Thank you that helped me learn more. So maybe theoretically one should just get a gasoline generator to be sure (especially for people like umm....me...who have zero knowledge)....

If *someone* wanted to get a generator to try to be more certain (versus a giant gasoline fuel headache all for nothing) what store would you go to ??
What type of Generator would you buy?
:-D I really appreciate you and all the other people on here... I've tried long periods on my own researching the internet...yet here I am still learning more just from a few posts!!! Thank you!!

Get an inverter generatir

 

[Lyndsey]

They cost hundreds of dollars....

Get an inverter generatir

Thanks what is that?

 

[Dawn0071111]

Thanks what is that?

An Inverter generator is the smallest quietest gas generator.... But they are more expensive... 500-1000$.

 

[toxicfox]

Would like to clarify some things after extensive testing in a car for you, as with results:
Ignited roughly 2 pounds of charcoal and waited at most 30 minutes for the smoke to go away, then removed the briquettes from the grill and placed them in a small steel bucket which was then placed on some flooring tiles which I placed in the backseat of a 2013 vehicle. I did no sealing procedures other than closing the air vents and rolling up the windows. I placed a cheap $25 co detector on the front seat that read up to 999ppm. I placed the SAME bucket of hot coals in the vehicle at 3 separate intervals to determine-
1. How long it lasts
2. How fast it can build up
3. How warm it will get in said vehicle
Results are as follows:

At 12:30pm I lit the charcoal grill containing 2 pounds of briquettes, and at 1:00pm the smoke had gone away, at this time I dumped the coals from the grill into a steel bucket, then placed it in the vehicle. It took 3 minutes and 27 seconds to reach 999ppm.
I then removed the bucket of coals from the vehicle and placed it outside onto the porch, and waited an hour. During this waiting period I opened all the doors of the vehicle to allow fresh air in thus restarting the process.

Current time 2:00pm (an hour and a half after initial lighting) I placed the same bucket of briquettes back in the car and closed the door and brought out my stopwatch again. This time it took 4 minutes and 46 seconds for the co levels to reach 999ppm. At this time I removed the briquettes and placed them on the porch, opened the doors again and waited an hour

Current time 3:00pm (2 and a half hours after initial lighting) I placed them back into the car closed the doors and brought out my stopwatch. It took 6 minutes and 55 seconds to reach a 999ppm level. After this experiment I discarded the briquettes and opened the doors

What do we know from this? That
1. The ppm level can still generate and exceed 999ppm after 3 hours.
2. The level rises more slowly as time goes on
3. That 2 pounds of charcoal in a family sedan is efficient

Noting the fact that 800ppm sustained for 2-3 hours is a lethal timeframe, we can safely assume that as long as a small enclosed space is fairly sealed and 2 or more pounds of briquettes are used we can give a safe and logical estimate that:
1. The level most definitely exceeds 1000ppm, especially during the first and second hour, and appears it would continue to rise to X value
2. The heat became less as time went on, although noting it rose to 999ppm slower, its still safe to say it continued to rise into a lethal threshold

Co doesn't just say "oh, we hit 1000ppm? Yeah let's top off here and not go any further"
No, that ain't it, is it?

If 800 can kill you in 2 hours and 1600 kill you in an hour, do the guess work
Safe to bet it rose well past 1000ppm, total number unsure, but it's a pretty darn good assumption to assume on the low end it would've hit 2000ppm+ within the first 10 minutes, and can ON A RESET, fresh air the whole 9 yards same bucket same test method, it will go past 1000ppm again 2 hours later or better put 3 HOURS after lighting.

 

[Qverty7455]

Thanks for great info. Too bad we don't know excatly how much PPM was in the car :( It might been 2k it might been 6k but who knows :/

 

[toxicfox]

You're welcome. I guess all I can say is, it will achieve the desired intent, and at least we know it can sustain even the minimal levels needed for a 2-3 hour timeframe. Maybe more charcoal would've led to higher levels in less time? Don't see how it could hurt to throw an extra pound of charcoal in for good measure, for $10 bucks you can get a 17 pound bag. If it gets too hot maybe get a bag of ice from a gas station and lean back on it keep you cool at least for a little while

 

[Qverty7455]

You're welcome. I guess all I can say is, it will achieve the desired intent, and at least we know it can sustain even the minimal levels needed for a 2-3 hour timeframe. Maybe more charcoal would've led to higher levels in less time? Don't see how it could hurt to throw an extra pound of charcoal in for good measure, for $10 bucks you can get a 17 pound bag. If it gets too hot maybe get a bag of ice from a gas station and lean back on it keep you cool at least for a little while

I wanted to do it in a tent because I don't have a car but I don't know how to not melt the tent maybe keep the coal on the grill and just move the grill to the tent?

 

[toxicfox]

If it's a tent you can stand up in and can walk around inside try putting aluminum foil above the bucket of coals, and placing the bucket of coals onto something that'll catch heat like a tray of water, maybe some flooring tiles or bricks or cinder block. I had aluminum foil stapled into the roof above my bucket. They also make a spray you can put on the tent it's a type of sealant run some along the zipper seams.
Placing the coals from the grill into a steel bucket or cookie tray is best.

 

[Qverty7455]

why you can't keep the coals on the grill ? that is open I don't mean closed grill...
I still wonder how jonghyun died from 2 or so briquettes on a frying pan

 

[toxicfox]

Because the grill is extremely hot already and will make it burn faster. Putting it in a steel bucket or on a tray is basically taking it away from its hot environment and putting it in a colder environment. You want the coals to "mellow out" a bit. If you put it on cookie tray sheet for example, it's going to take time for that sheet to heat up, and that reduction of heat is going to make the coals last some time longer.
The guy who passed from 1 or 2 briqs was using a cylinder briquette, which is a massive piece of slotted charcoal. It can burn for almost a day. These are MUCH bigger pieces than those you'll find at a Home Depot or Lowe's as far as typical charcoal goes. I used Royal Oak briquettes in my experiments. Seen the recommendation of this brand before on here lo and behold, it is a good brand

 

[John Smith]

Because the grill is extremely hot already and will make it burn faster. Putting it in a steel bucket or on a tray is basically taking it away from its hot environment and putting it in a colder environment. You want the coals to "mellow out" a bit. If you put it on cookie tray sheet for example, it's going to take time for that sheet to heat up, and that reduction of heat is going to make the coals last some time longer.
The guy who passed from 1 or 2 briqs was using a cylinder briquette, which is a massive piece of slotted charcoal. It can burn for almost a day. These are MUCH bigger pieces than those you'll find at a Home Depot or Lowe's as far as typical charcoal goes. I used Royal Oak briquettes in my experiments. Seen the recommendation of this brand before on here lo and behold, it is a good brand

How hot did it get in your car? What did you light the charcoal in? Where did you get your buckets from?

 

[toxicfox]

Didn't get too hot. Charcoal was lit in a grill and stayed in there for 30 minutes till the smoke gave way. Then put it in the steel bucket. Got the bucket for $1 at a yard sale. Can find a bag of charcoal for $10 or less at Walmart, a steel bucket for $5 or less at any store. Really all you need is $20 for everything I wouldn't say getting a meter is detrimental people have been overcome by fumes in bigger areas with more ventilation

 

[passenger27]

Sorry to ask if this has already been asked but can anyone recommend the best carbon monoixide meter reader that reads 100000ppm accurately

I couldn't say for sure if it's the BEST CO meter, but a TPI 707 CO Analyzer can read up to 10000 ppm. The bad thing is it costs around $375. Very expensive but I used a credit card to buy it. Why not? I doubt I'll be around long enough to pay it off. I did a test run with it in my van with 2 pails about a quarter full of coals each and it got up to 7075 ppm in 2 and a half hours. The CO levels were still rising when I stopped the test (2 and a half hours is a long time to sit around waiting), but I was satisfied since that level will take you out pretty quickly.

 

[Qverty7455]

I couldn't say for sure if it's the BEST CO meter, but a TPI 707 CO Analyzer can read up to 10000 ppm. The bad thing is it costs around $375. Very expensive but I used a credit card to buy it. Why not? I doubt I'll be around long enough to pay it off. I did a test run with it in my van with 2 pails about a quarter full of coals each and it got up to 7075 ppm in 2 and a half hours. The CO levels were still rising when I stopped the test (2 and a half hours is a long time to sit around waiting), but I was satisfied since that level will take you out pretty quickly.

Thank you for that. But I still must wonder how the Jonghyun could die if 2 buckets quarter full of coal in van will raise to 7k after 2 and half hour. And he used only coal briquettes on frying pan (only 2-3 of them) and I know they were big brqieuttes but still it was in a room etc and he was out pretty quickly...

 

[passenger27]

Thank you for that. But I still must wonder how the Jonghyun could die if 2 buckets quarter full of coal in van will raise to 7k after 2 and half hour. And he used only coal briquettes on frying pan (only 2-3 of them) and I know they were big brqieuttes but still it was in a room etc and he was out pretty quickly...

Jonghyun certainly did his thing like a boss, no doubt. Some people have the luck of the devil is all I can figure. Maybe he put a blanket or something over his head and the frying pan? I couldn't imagine the heat though. Pretty amazing however he pulled it off. I'm sure after some more practice with the chimney starters (I've never used one in my life until I tested the CO meter) I'll get some better readings. When I dumped the pails the next day I saw there were still a few black briquettes in there, so I guess I didn't have them quite as evenly burned as I thought. Regardless, if I'd been in the van I wouldn't be posting on here now. Even though it took forever to reach 7K plus, in 30 minutes the reading was 4550 ppm, in an hour 6300 ppm, well more than enough to take you out. According to the CO in Ambient Air Chart that came with the meter, 1600 ppm causes death in an hour, 3200 in 30 minutes, 6400 in 10 - 15 minutes. You can see how much it slowed down though. But as I said, that's probably due to not having an even burn. An interesting thing though was even after 12 hours sitting outside the pails were still throwing off a little heat, so for giggles I held the analyzer above one pail and it shot up to 200 ppm almost instantly, then held pretty steady, in open air, which I thought was pretty cool.

 

[John Smith]

Jonghyun certainly did his thing like a boss, no doubt. Some people have the luck of the devil is all I can figure. Maybe he put a blanket or something over his head and the frying pan? I couldn't imagine the heat though. Pretty amazing however he pulled it off. I'm sure after some more practice with the chimney starters (I've never used one in my life until I tested the CO meter) I'll get some better readings. When I dumped the pails the next day I saw there were still a few black briquettes in there, so I guess I didn't have them quite as evenly burned as I thought. Regardless, if I'd been in the van I wouldn't be posting on here now. Even though it took forever to reach 7K plus, in 30 minutes the reading was 4550 ppm, in an hour 6300 ppm, well more than enough to take you out. According to the CO in Ambient Air Chart that came with the meter, 1600 ppm causes death in an hour, 3200 in 30 minutes, 6400 in 10 - 15 minutes. You can see how much it slowed down though. But as I said, that's probably due to not having an even burn. An interesting thing though was even after 12 hours sitting outside the pails were still throwing off a little heat, so for giggles I held the analyzer above one pail and it shot up to 200 ppm almost instantly, then held pretty steady, in open air, which I thought was pretty cool.

Hi, can you give a more detailed explanation of how you went about this method and succeeded in getting high ppm levels? What type of charcoal did you use and how much? What did you put it in to get it burning? How long did you burn it for before putting it in the van? How hot did it get in there?

 

[cappuccinogirl]

I couldn't say for sure if it's the BEST CO meter, but a TPI 707 CO Analyzer can read up to 10000 ppm. The bad thing is it costs around $375. Very expensive but I used a credit card to buy it. Why not? I doubt I'll be around long enough to pay it off. I did a test run with it in my van with 2 pails about a quarter full of coals each and it got up to 7075 ppm in 2 and a half hours. The CO levels were still rising when I stopped the test (2 and a half hours is a long time to sit around waiting), but I was satisfied since that level will take you out pretty quickly.

Hi just out of curiosity how did you keep the monitor on all that time? X

 

[passenger27]

Hi, can you give a more detailed explanation of how you went about this method and succeeded in getting high ppm levels? What type of charcoal did you use and how much? What did you put it in to get it burning? How long did you burn it for before putting it in the van? How hot did it get in there?

Hi there. Sorry for the late response. I used Kingsford Original Briquettes. They sell a 2 pack of 18-pound bags at Walmart, so I bought two of those for my tests. For this particular test I used 4 Weber chimney starters (also from Walmart) to burn the briquettes. Sounds nuts to use that many, but I tried 2 chimney starters for an earlier test and only got around 3500 in 3 hours. Supposedly enough for what you want to do, but I just wasn't satisfied with that, so I bought 2 more. I already had 2 steel buckets to tip the coals in (about 10 inches high and 9 or so wide), so I was ready to go. I used most of a bag between the 4 chimney starters, so I'd say each held around 4 pounds apiece. You just put paper in the bottom of one and light it up and wait for the coals to turn gray and glowing inside. I'd say I kept them in there between an hour to 90 minutes, then tipped them in the pails. Some coals turn to ash while they're burning in a chimney starter, so instead of being full you wind up losing a quarter or so of what you put in, so I tipped in 2 chimney starters per pail and put them in the van (on 12 x 12 stepping stones). My van's pretty big, an old Chrysler Town and Country, so I'm pretty sure the CO levels would be nuclear in a small car. I have an old compact car, but I'm not really sure how to sit the pails in without burning it. Any help with that would be great. As for how hot it got in there, I couldn't say. I remembered everything but a thermometer. I'll make sure to buy one for my last test. I don't want to wake up from my vodka/benzo sleep roasting. I seriously doubt I'd wake up with such a high reading, but I guess you never know. People have survived worse things. I can say I put my hand about 6 inches above the pails before I put them in the van and the heat wasn't so bad, so I think the temperature would be okay, especially with cooler weather coming up. That's actually what I'm waiting for to be honest. All of this is probably overkill, but I don't want to think this is going to work, I want to know. The last thing I want is to wake up brain dead or in a mental hospital. All this is a pain to pull off, but I want this to be painless as possible. I'm escaping a life of pain, no need to hurt on my way out.

Hi just out of curiosity how did you keep the monitor on all that time? X

Hi there. The meter stays on automatically. It's actually sort of a pain to turn off. It has to purge all the CO out of it before you can, so you have to sit around while the CO level creeps down. It really doesn't take that long, 5 minutes or so, but after sitting around and getting up to check the meter reading through the window for a few hours it seems like forever.

 

[John Smith]

Hi there. Sorry for the late response. I used Kingsford Original Briquettes. They sell a 2 pack of 18-pound bags at Walmart, so I bought two of those for my tests. For this particular test I used 4 Weber chimney starters (also from Walmart) to burn the briquettes. Sounds nuts to use that many, but I tried 2 chimney starters for an earlier test and only got around 3500 in 3 hours. Supposedly enough for what you want to do, but I just wasn't satisfied with that, so I bought 2 more. I already had 2 steel buckets to tip the coals in (about 10 inches high and 9 or so wide), so I was ready to go. I used most of a bag between the 4 chimney starters, so I'd say each held around 4 pounds apiece. You just put paper in the bottom of one and light it up and wait for the coals to turn gray and glowing inside. I'd say I kept them in there between an hour to 90 minutes, then tipped them in the pails. Some coals turn to ash while they're burning in a chimney starter, so instead of being full you wind up losing a quarter or so of what you put in, so I tipped in 2 chimney starters per pail and put them in the van (on 12 x 12 stepping stones). My van's pretty big, an old Chrysler Town and Country, so I'm pretty sure the CO levels would be nuclear in a small car. I have an old compact car, but I'm not really sure how to sit the pails in without burning it. Any help with that would be great. As for how hot it got in there, I couldn't say. I remembered everything but a thermometer. I'll make sure to buy one for my last test. I don't want to wake up from my vodka/benzo sleep roasting. I seriously doubt I'd wake up with such a high reading, but I guess you never know. People have survived worse things. I can say I put my hand about 6 inches above the pails before I put them in the van and the heat wasn't so bad, so I think the temperature would be okay, especially with cooler weather coming up. That's actually what I'm waiting for to be honest. All of this is probably overkill, but I don't want to think this is going to work, I want to know. The last thing I want is to wake up brain dead or in a mental hospital. All this is a pain to pull off, but I want this to be painless as possible. I'm escaping a life of pain, no need to hurt on my way out.

Hi there. The meter stays on automatically. It's actually sort of a pain to turn off. It has to purge all the CO out of it before you can, so you have to sit around while the CO level creeps down. It really doesn't take that long, 5 minutes or so, but after sitting around and getting up to check the meter reading through the window for a few hours it seems like forever.

Are you planning to test it out again? If so, when?

 

[passenger27]

Are you planning to test it out again? If so, when?

Yeah, I do want to test it out one more time just to be sure it doesn't get too hot in the van. I bought a thermometer so I can check the temperature and not be too miserable in there. I feel pretty dumb for forgetting to buy one to begin with. I guess if it does get too hot I'll put ice water in a spray bottle to help keep cool, and maybe some ice packs to keep me comfy till I pass out. I'm not exactly sure when I'll be able to test things again because it's been too windy and dry lately to try. The last thing I want to do is start a fire. To me, that's been the biggest pain. You're sort of at the mercy of the wind. But the next calm day is when I'll try again, hopefully within a week if the Weather Channel says the wind's not blowing too hard.

 

[toxicfox]

As long as the ppm maintains 800 or higher for 2-3 hours you will die. No contest. Lots of variables such as how good is the seal in a vehicle? Newer vehicles are WAY more sealed than older ones, the door jams have better rubbers, there aren't as many "cricks and cracks" around the vehicle. I did my test in a 2013 Chevy Cruze did nothing but close the air vents no tape no caulking no nothing and with 2 pounds of charcoal it rose to 999ppm in 3 and a half minutes. After it got to 999 I took it out, waited 2 full hours and put the same bucket of coals back in and it STILL rose to over 999ppm but it took 6 minutes and 55 seconds. What MANY people fail to understand is that if you jump in the car with those coals that level is going to continue to rise. There is no making sure it will no, it WILL it has no other choice in the matter. If I jump in the car right when it says 800ppm I got 2-3 hours to live, and the level is increasing so your time to live DECREASES the longer you stay in there. It probably went from 999 to 2000 in under 10 minutes so now you'd figure I'd have 25 minutes left of life at that point because now knowing 1600ppm will kill in 30 mins my time is steadily dropping the longer you're in because the level will continue to rise. People fail at this because either
1. They skimped on the charcoal
2. They have an old ass car with bad door/window seals and they failed to tape them off
3. They leave once they get nauseous
4. They wait HOURS before putting the coals in because it's "just too hot" and now your coals aren't as effective

An easy solution

Tape everything off
Get those coals gray
Once they are gray don't fuck around PUT them in the car and get in
Make sure you tape it all off. If you're questioning the amount of charcoal to use, 2-3 pounds will kill you in a car/truck/van. Hell double the amount of it what's stopping you?
Use thumbtacks and put aluminum foil on the roof so it doesn't burn and double down on your charcoal. If it gets too hot get a big bag of ice from the gas station and lay back on it in the seat.

People fail because they agonize every detail like "I need exactly this amount to kill me and just enough of this to hit this number and" yada yada. You're trying to DIE, you can't expect not to have a drop of sweat or a very slight discomfort. It's like hanging people say "well just before I pass out I feel this throbbing in my head HOW DO I PREVENT THAT" like dude, you have a rope around your neck trapping your blood up in your cranium, your head is going to throb. It's things like this you just have to deal with. The most successful suicides are the people who grab that bag of charcoal dump it into that bucket set it on fire roll the windows up and deal with the heat. They are the determined ones. The ones that say Hallelujah at the door and leave all bs aside they dump the bag in it light it and go. Comfort or not. Grab you an 8 pound bag from Walmart, put the whole bag in there, light it on fire, wait for it to stop smoking and roll on with it soldier. Grab some ice bags assuming it'll be hot because it will be, lay back on them bags watch some National Geographic for 10 minutes and pass out, because 8 pounds in a small family sedan is gonna have you out like a light before you get to see if Billy gets his arm back from that crocodile
Cheers
ALSO spread your coals around in whatever you dump them in. Put your thinking cap on if HEAT RISES and you have a bunch of coals piled on top of each other what's going to happen? Your top ones are going to get too much heat and they will disintegrate fast, covering your bottom coals in a very thick ash. Solution: dump them in a metal tray, use 2 if you have to. The chimney and setup does nothing if you have a massive amount of ash smothering your bottom coals. Spread em out a bit.