Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[Cleopatra123]

I read it. I think this is right.
I just bought all the items. I dont have money now and I will not wait any longer.
I just bought the bucket instead of the cooker... sorry for the messages... but yeah.

The coals should be white before you take them into your room, they should be finished smoking, this means you have to light them somewhere where no one will smell smoke. Don't use lighter fluid. Put newspaper in the bucket under the coals. Put a pan under the bucket to keep the heat from going to the floor. There are more specifics, take notes on the posts you see to make sure and check off the list. Best and warm wishes for peace. Cleo

 

[Joannf]

I wish I could get my hands on a gun. Last night I was playing with slipknots on my bathrobe tie, which is not strong; and woke up this AM unable to get to the kitchen. I'm trying to take care of a disability will for my son, that's the end of what I can do for him. Doing anything is so daunting right now, I so wish euthanasia was legalized. After all, the suicide rate is 5X the national average for ME/CFS. Thanks so much, I hope you are feeling well, I appreciate your information and patience heartfully.

Was the quote above, re: 35 years for you. There's got to be a good reason for that I think. Hope you are having a good day

I have no doubt you will do what is possible regarding your son - in the end, this is what we do and what we are living for.
Well... we all have reasons, and it's usually health, mine is an aneurysm and I want to decide where and when.
Then there's the people who have psycho problems that are entirely subjective, but still convincingly torturous, obviously. I have a gun, and believe me that it's not a nice feeling to stick it inside your mouth in fron of the mirror to make sure you point it exactly the right way, because you don't want the angle to be even remotely off... no idea where you are, but in the US guns are not impossible to get. In doubt ask me about make and caliber ;)
Weather is getting better, will be having a fine summer - take it easy, decide on the least complicated way...

I read it. I think this is right.
I just bought all the items. I dont have money now and I will not wait any longer.
I just bought the bucket instead of the cooker... sorry for the messages... but yeah.

Good luck ! I wish I could help you, I tested this so much... 4-8 kgs will be a lot of smoke and a lot of heat !
If you're calm, that's not really such a problem but people tend to panic when they smell smoke.
I wouldn't normally want to set this off in a closed room, only carry it in when the flames and smoke have subsided...
It's barbecue season, people do this outside all the time.

 

[Joannf]

I read it. I think this is right.
I just bought all the items. I dont have money now and I will not wait any longer.
I just bought the bucket instead of the cooker... sorry for the messages... but yeah.

The link didn't work in the other post... I couldn't edit either... so I'm trying images here, from amazon
These are the items, so you know what I mean. The above costs 20 E, the below about a Euro ;)

 

[Joannf]

MAKING YOUR TENT AIRTIGHT
#tent #insulation #co #monoxide

Here's a shot of a cheap tent that I always keep in the car (this is a decathlon tent, working on the white inner part), with one of the spray cans, and a closeup of a sprayed area.You want to lay on several coats, every one thin - take your time, let it dry... till the surface stays shiny when dry...
Use whatever spray paint you have, or those you can get cheapest, but the last coat should be shiny not matte... the entire coat should be thick, don't save on the spray cans... the tent will become noticeably stiffer.
You could instead use a large foil, which would be a second way (you would have to place the foil between inner and outer tent, and use duct tape additionally, to seal off holes, which can be ennervating). The spray way is better insofar as you can simply build up your tent at the campsite and concentrate on the CO biz.. Matter of taste. Also, I didn't have a fitting foil available today ;)
Tents are lofty and the fabric they are made from may be polyester or cotton, in any case these are thin interwoven threads, a lot like a grid, a mesh where air or gas has no problem passing though the gaps between the single threads.
It will keep wind and rain from passing, but not a slow gas... your CO will evaporate into the great outdoors within ten to twenty minutes if you don't prepare this well. But if you do, the sticky, gluey paint will fill the gaps between the threads and your tent can be almost as airtight as a space shuttle.
Recapitulation:
You want to create as high a CO concentration as possible, but you want to fire as little charcoal or use as little acid as possible... whatever you do will be a compromise... if you reach 10000ppm, you'll be out of here in a few seconds, but what if you only reach 4000ppm ?
Well, if your tent (or room, or car) is air tight, you will doze off peacefully and be dead in half an hour.
If not, you will quite possibly wake up again, maybe a day or two later, and maybe in hospital.
So...this is what you can do.

 

[Cleopatra123]

MAKING YOUR TENT AIRTIGHT
#tent #insulation #co #monoxide

Here's a shot of a cheap tent that I always keep in the car (this is a decathlon tent, working on the white inner part), with one of the spray cans, and a closeup of a sprayed area.You want to lay on several coats, every one thin - take your time, let it dry... till the surface stays shiny when dry...
Use whatever spray paint you have, or those you can get cheapest, but the last coat should be shiny not matte... the entire coat should be thick, don't save on the spray cans... the tent will become noticeably stiffer.
Tents are lofty and the fabric they are made from may be polyester or cotton, in any case these are thin interwoven threads, a lot like a grid, a mesh where air or gas has no problem passing though the gaps between the single threads.
It will keep wind and rain from passing, but not a slow gas... your CO will evaporate into the great outdoors within ten to twenty minutes if you don't prepare this well. But if you do, the sticky, gluey paint will fill the gaps between the threads and your tent can be almost as airtight as a space shuttle.
Recapitulation:
You want to create as high a CO concentration as possible, but you want to fire as little charcoal or use as little acid as possible... whatever you do will be a compromise... if you reach 10000ppm, you'll be out of here in a few seconds, but what if you only reach 4000ppm ?
Well, if your tent (or room, or car) is air tight, you will doze off peacefully and be dead in half an hour.
If not, you will quite possibly wake up again, maybe a day or two later, and maybe in hospital.
So...this is what you can do.
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This is great information, and thank you for it. My questions are, should this be done when purchased and carried around already painted; or should it be done on the day of use, and, how long does the process take? I have read posts of people found dead accidentally, families, in regular tents, I wonder if there is something less challenging and already built to be impermeable. Remember the old Camel tents, lol, weighed a ton! Muchas gracias. Cleo

 

[Joannf]

This is great information, and thank you for it. My questions are, should this be done when purchased and carried around already painted; or should it be done on the day of use, and, how long does the process take? I have read posts of people found dead accidentally, families, in regular tents, I wonder if there is something less challenging and already built to be impermeable. Remember the old Camel tents, lol, weighed a ton! Muchas gracias. Cleo

We all read stories where people die of shock or marshmallow aroma, or unlikely doses of CO - and I guess most are even true, but this is not what we want to put our trust in - we want full, reliable measures... that's what the entire thing is about. People here were asking about how to make a tent impermeable, and I thought one might be able to do it with a large foil, which would be the second way (you would have to place the foil between inner and outer tent, and use duct tape additionally, to seal off holes, which can be ennervating). This way here is better insofar as you can simply build up your tent at the campsite and concentrate on the Co biz.. again, matter of taste. Also, I didn't have a fitting foil available today ;)
Tents are impermeable to water, not gas. Think. Tent makers don't want their customers to suffocate, such might be detrimental to future sales... but it would of course be easy to supply an additional inner tent made from tough, clear plastic foil, "suicide holiday special" maybe ? It's a marketing idea...
You would have to wait about twenty minutes after spraying, till each coat is more or less dry... you would want to do it indoors somewhere without wind, people who might watch you will have no idea what you're doing. I would say take half a day for it, then repack (roll), fit it into a trash bag rather than the original sack, and you're ready to roll.
Eh... de nada, chica ;))

 

[Cleopatra123]

We all read stories where people die of shock or marshmallow aroma, or unlikely doses of CO - and I guess most are even true, but this is not what we want to put our trust in - we want full, reliable measures... that's what the entire thing is about. People here were asking about how to make a tent impermeable, and I thought one might be able to do it with a large foil, which would be the second way (you would have to place the foil between inner and outer tent, and use duct tape additionally, to seal off holes, which can be ennervating). This way here is better insofar as you can simply build up your tent at the campsite and concentrate on the Co biz.. again, matter of taste. Also, I didn't have a fitting foil available today ;)
Tents are impermeable to water, not gas. Think. Tent makers don't want their customers to suffocate, such might be detrimental to future sales... but it would of course be easy to supply an additional inner tent made from tough, clear plastic foil, "suicide holiday special" maybe ? It's a marketing idea...
You would have to wait about twenty minutes after spraying, till each coat is more or less dry... you would want to do it indoors somewhere without wind, people who might watch you will have no idea what you're doing. I would say take half a day for it, then repack (roll), fit it into a trash bag rather than the original sack, and you're ready to roll.
Eh... de nada, chica ;))

LOL, "suicide special", it's a good thing to have a sense of humor. Sounds like quite a bit of work and equipment for a retired old clutz, where's the gun?

 

[Joannf]

LOL, "suicide special", it's a good thing to have a sense of humor. Sounds like quite a bit of work and equipment for a retired old clutz, where's the gun?

Okay... I'll do the foil thingy over the weekend... hm, I saw foils in a homeworker's store recently... you want the sort that's not too thick, but thick enough npt to tear. You can theoretically take a half dozen big trash bags and tape them together, drape them over the inner tent and wrap them under the plastic tent floor.
The gun they habitually supply with tents above the $200 price range can usually be found in the side pocket but you have to bring your own ammunition ;)

 

[Thelastanon24]

Using charcoal and the smell is a trigger of sorts - sets off the danger response in my brain. If I leave the coals sitting out for longer will the burning smell dissipitate? They were still on fire when I tested last night.

 

[Joannf]

Using charcoal and the smell is a trigger of sorts - sets off the danger response in my brain. If I leave the coals sitting out for longer will the burning smell dissipitate? They were still on fire when I tested last night.

The smell goes away when the coals stop burning - the burning is basically a surface effect, when the surface goes grey, the direct contact to the air is limited, the coal stops to intensely burn, starts glowing and the CO production begins in in earnest. So usually, you will fire up and burn the stuff outside, and at the 'grey' stage, usually after 25-35 minutes, immediately carry the coals inside, as the negative effects are gone (coals are still damn hot though) and now every minute counts, you have 20 minutes to collect your CO - coals take longer to turn fully into ash, but obviously, the most carbon mass will react within those first 20 minutes. You will never reach high CO levels if you wait too long... this is why it's so important that all coals reach the 'grey' state at the same time, or almost. Some coals will take longer than others, some will be partially grey and partially burn, you can turn them around with a stoker and stack them above each other.
I have an almost perfect method of setting coal briqs on fire more uniformly, but it uses aluminum trays instead of chimney starters, and a more complex composition of the substances that ignite the coals - people find it too complicated. I would definitely advise everybody to do a few stupid, harmless garden grilling exercises this summer, to develop a feel for this... behave like a prole, and profit !

 

[phoenitic_riser]

MAKING YOUR TENT AIRTIGHT
#tent #insulation #co #monoxide

Here's a shot of a cheap tent that I always keep in the car (this is a decathlon tent, working on the white inner part), with one of the spray cans, and a closeup of a sprayed area.You want to lay on several coats, every one thin - take your time, let it dry... till the surface stays shiny when dry...
Use whatever spray paint you have, or those you can get cheapest, but the last coat should be shiny not matte... the entire coat should be thick, don't save on the spray cans... the tent will become noticeably stiffer.
You could instead use a large foil, which would be a second way (you would have to place the foil between inner and outer tent, and use duct tape additionally, to seal off holes, which can be ennervating). The spray way is better insofar as you can simply build up your tent at the campsite and concentrate on the CO biz.. Matter of taste. Also, I didn't have a fitting foil available today ;)
Tents are lofty and the fabric they are made from may be polyester or cotton, in any case these are thin interwoven threads, a lot like a grid, a mesh where air or gas has no problem passing though the gaps between the single threads.
It will keep wind and rain from passing, but not a slow gas... your CO will evaporate into the great outdoors within ten to twenty minutes if you don't prepare this well. But if you do, the sticky, gluey paint will fill the gaps between the threads and your tent can be almost as airtight as a space shuttle.
Recapitulation:
You want to create as high a CO concentration as possible, but you want to fire as little charcoal or use as little acid as possible... whatever you do will be a compromise... if you reach 10000ppm, you'll be out of here in a few seconds, but what if you only reach 4000ppm ?
Well, if your tent (or room, or car) is air tight, you will doze off peacefully and be dead in half an hour.
If not, you will quite possibly wake up again, maybe a day or two later, and maybe in hospital.
So...this is what you can do.
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Is this necessary even for the tent style recommended at 8chan (single skin, 3000mmhh) with the vents sealed with gas tape?

 

[Bok]

Has anyone thought of using a combination o,f the charcoal method with the Formica acid method. Is there benefit?
Two sources of co?

 

[Asta]

I must be missing something here, but I read in the handbook that Nitschke said a disposable barbecue (the one in a little tray that's available everywhere) would work, either in a car (there was a picture of that) or in an RV - otherwise, the whole thing sounds very complicated.
From the Daily Mail in the UK: "Camper, 22, died from inhaling disposable barbecue fumes after cooking burgers inside his van...a used disposable BBQ was found in the rear of the closed van along with open packets of burgers and buns..."

 

[Joannf]

Is this necessary even for the tent style recommended at 8chan (single skin, 3000mmhh) with the vents sealed with gas tape?

Is this necessary even for the tent style recommended at 8chan (single skin, 3000mmhh) with the vents sealed with gas tape?

I don't know if it's necessary.
The only way to find out is to try and tell.

Has anyone thought of using a combination o,f the charcoal method with the Formica acid method. Is there benefit?
Two sources of co?

Absolutely. There is guarantee of much higher concentration of CO, but it will only work if you have an airtight location (room, tent or car).

I must be missing something here, but I read in the handbook that Nitschke said a disposable barbecue (the one in a little tray that's available everywhere) would work, either in a car (there was a picture of that) or in an RV - otherwise, the whole thing sounds very complicated.
From the Daily Mail in the UK: "Camper, 22, died from inhaling disposable barbecue fumes after cooking burgers inside his van...a used disposable BBQ was found in the rear of the closed van along with open packets of burgers and buns..."

You're missing people's desire to make absolutely sure it actually works when they could just toss the dice.

 

[Bok]

Does anyone have or know where on the net I can find a critique of the gulp cogen machine ? Does anyone have first hand experience of someone catching the bus with it?

 

[Cheezmam]

Carbon Monoxide Suicide Is Not Like What You Think of It

Carbon monoxide suicide is a difficult decision with painful consequences. If you're curious about this, then this is a must-read article in all situations!

www.newhealthadvisor.com

According to this, CO is not a pleasant way to go. Don't buy it. Wouldn't that mean accidental poisoning would never happen?

 

[whyidon'tknow]

Carbon Monoxide Suicide Is Not Like What You Think of It

Carbon monoxide suicide is a difficult decision with painful consequences. If you're curious about this, then this is a must-read article in all situations!

www.newhealthadvisor.com

According to this, CO is not a pleasant way to go. Don't buy it. Wouldn't that mean accidental poisoning would never happen?

Yeah I think perhaps they put stuff like this out there to scare people

 

[MISERYinlife]

Carbon Monoxide Suicide Is Not Like What You Think of It

Carbon monoxide suicide is a difficult decision with painful consequences. If you're curious about this, then this is a must-read article in all situations!

www.newhealthadvisor.com

According to this, CO is not a pleasant way to go. Don't buy it. Wouldn't that mean accidental poisoning would never happen?

This sounds like a prevention article to me especially when you read the bottom I seen statics that prove this wrong

 

[jake3d]

It's not a pleasant way to go if the concentration is such that you die slowly. If the concentration is high you'll be out in a few minutes and not feel a thing. Lots of people die of CO poisoning in their sleep, if it were painful, they would have woken up and survived.

 

[Cleopatra123]

Carbon Monoxide Suicide Is Not Like What You Think of It

Carbon monoxide suicide is a difficult decision with painful consequences. If you're curious about this, then this is a must-read article in all situations!

www.newhealthadvisor.com

According to this, CO is not a pleasant way to go. Don't buy it. Wouldn't that mean accidental poisoning would never happen?

Never heard any information on these type of results, I will mention the writers don't seem to know anything about prescribed methods, I know people die accidentally in their homes of Co poisoning from their furnace, and never heard descriptions like this. ??????????? Depressing

 

[Thelastanon24]

Carbon Monoxide Suicide Is Not Like What You Think of It

Carbon monoxide suicide is a difficult decision with painful consequences. If you're curious about this, then this is a must-read article in all situations!

www.newhealthadvisor.com

According to this, CO is not a pleasant way to go. Don't buy it. Wouldn't that mean accidental poisoning would never happen?

Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Whole article sounds like fear mongering. All of the dangers and concerns like the headache and dizziness can be countered easily. Especially knowing that by 6400ppm your thinking will be too impaired to make rational decisions.

 

[Cleopatra123]

Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Whole article sounds like fear mongering. All of the dangers and concerns like the headache and dizziness can be countered easily. Especially knowing that by 6400ppm your thinking will be too impaired to make rational decisions.

My question is how does one know when and how to get 6400ppm (whatever ppm is anyway). Is there are way to be sure of this?

 

[Joannf]

Carbon Monoxide Suicide Is Not Like What You Think of It

Carbon monoxide suicide is a difficult decision with painful consequences. If you're curious about this, then this is a must-read article in all situations!

www.newhealthadvisor.com

According to this, CO is not a pleasant way to go. Don't buy it. Wouldn't that mean accidental poisoning would never happen?

So I read the article...

>>>Carbon monoxide causes immense pain and discomfort and causes convulsions and muscle spasms as the body's desperate attempts of seeking oxygen.<<< No. The same article says. a bit higher up, "Carbon monoxide works by tricking the blood's hemoglobin to believe it is oxygen and bond with it." As opposed to other gases, like CO2. It means there is no asphyxiation panic, because consciousness is the first thing to go. Even headaches only turn up with very low concentrations, where the person stays conscious for hours - and there is NO proof the headaches are caused by the CO, rather by general bad state of an organism that spends hours without suficient oxygen supply. This is not what people have in mind here, to spend hours under low concentrations of CO.

The article argues that high CO concentrations are hard to reach, then also says, "CO... has caused the most accidental deaths in history than any other toxin, simply because it goes undetected." Hmm... well, my point here is not the grammar, but that a poison that causes accidental deaths galore doesn't likely come with headaches, vomiting and convulsions - which would count under highly reliable detection methods.
"It is colorless, odorless and being a gas, one can't feel it either. If it is present in large amounts, it kills quickly, before a person has a chance of reacting properly." Yes, exactly - that's the point.

You are correct to point out that suicide is often a very half-assed reaction, and that life would often just go on and get better - this can never be pointed out too often. I also find it sad when young people, who don't even have a sensible perspective, commit suicide for reasons folks with some experience wouldn't even chuckle about. But there's also those with incurable illnesses or unsolvably sticky life situations, who have thought about this rationally and always for a long time, and who are as intelligent, sane and adult as it gets.
Such persons simply evaluate the several ways to be free of what oppresses them, in this case life as such, and CO is obviously one of the most elegant and painless methods. I happen to have had a personal experience with the stuff when I entered a room where a generator had been running for maybe ten minutes, and I immediately started to get dizzy-weak, in a similar way as if I had just too heftily drawn on a White Widow joint... wondering how this could happen, I barely realized what was going on - and just in time, turned and crawled out the open door.
That was tight... I took a few breaths of fresh air, went in again, shut off the generator, opened a window and drew another breath, opened more windows, and left for an hour. After that, all was well, though the smell of burned gasoline still lingered - I didn't feel any worse for it - I actually felt great because I love such tight experiences. Err, when they turn out well. CO is THE GAS !

It's simply a much better method than most others, BUT one has to make precise preparations, and some people find that excessively complicated.
Without these preparations, it simply won't work. Like, high buildings are sort of more fool-proof.

>>>Suicide via carbon monoxide poisoning takes a long time and gives one a terrible headache<<< NOPES.>>>and infinite pain>>>I DON'T THINK SO = also, whats "infinite pain" ? In the whole body or just some parts. Forever or just till you die ? >>>Things only get worse.<<< Yeah that makes a lot of sense.>>> If your friends, family or roommates are sleeping in the same room, the smoking of burning charcoal will cause harm to them<<< Not gonna happen. People here all make sure they die alone, and take precautions for others.

>>>So guys, no matter how bad life appears, it gets better.<<< That may well be true ! Suicide should only be attempted if you are very sure that there's no chance your life ever gets better again. And if you're very young, you may simply be way too pessimistic about your life...

My question is how does one know when and how to get 6400ppm (whatever ppm is anyway). Is there are way to be sure of this?

Parts per million ;)
Oh, there's meters and beepers, I tested that and so did others on the thread. I used a cheap meter that goes to 1000 ppm and I used 10% of the coals. I reached about 700ppm max, and that was enough. However I'll now employ the acid method as well, just to be on the safe side and get my share of the infinite pain ;)

 

[Thelastanon24]

My question is how does one know when and how to get 6400ppm (whatever ppm is anyway). Is there are way to be sure of this?

PPM is parts per million. Get a CO detector that measures with numbers instead of just an alarm. I didn't get that high with my test runs but I know that even close to that will be good enough. Not as quick, but good enough.
I'll post a picture to the thread tomorrow; fingers crossed that I don't pussy out last minute!

 

[Cleopatra123]

PPM is parts per million. Get a CO detector that measures with numbers instead of just an alarm. I didn't get that high with my test runs but I know that even close to that will be good enough. Not as quick, but good enough.
I'll post a picture to the thread tomorrow; fingers crossed that I don't pussy out last minute!

What do you mean "pussy out last minute"? Do you mean not complete the mission? Everyone has to pick the right time for themselves, or make a different decision.

What do you mean "pussy out last minute"? Do you mean not complete the mission? Everyone has to pick the right time for themselves, or make a different decision.

Whatever you decide to you will be the right thing for the moment, best wishes. Cleo

 

[Thelastanon24]

What do you mean "pussy out last minute"? Do you mean not complete the mission? Everyone has to pick the right time for themselves, or make a different decision.

Whatever you decide to you will be the right thing for the moment, best wishes. Cleo

Yeah, I mean I don't wanna lose my nerve haha. I tried the other night but "chickened our" so to speak. But everything is set in motion to go off without a hitch tomorrow. Thank you for the well wishes.

 

[Cleopatra123]

Yeah, I mean I don't wanna lose my nerve haha. I tried the other night but "chickened our" so to speak. But everything is set in motion to go off without a hitch tomorrow. Thank you for the well wishes.

You sound very well informed and competent. Personally, if I weren't waking up daily from a sleep of peace to an immediate nightmare, I might take my time too. No reason to push yourself unless it feels totally right, unless you know for sure, there is nothing to look forward to. Peace and best, Cleo

 

[Joannf]

Yeah, I mean I don't wanna lose my nerve haha. I tried the other night but "chickened our" so to speak. But everything is set in motion to go off without a hitch tomorrow. Thank you for the well wishes.

As long as you can repeat the process without a problem, taking your time is the best you can do, if you "chicken out," that simply means your time hasn't yet come.
It will when you decide that the time is right. That's the beauty of it, once you made the basic decision.

 

[deathenvoy]

From the Daily Mail in the UK: "Camper, 22, died from inhaling disposable barbecue fumes after cooking burgers inside his van...a used disposable BBQ was found in the rear of the closed van along with open packets of burgers and buns..."

Sounds like a good way to make look your suicide as an accident.

 

[Joannf]

Sounds like a good way to make look your suicide as an accident.

Indeed, sound like a big Eater... packets of everything, to rub it in. Eating may soon be the last legal activity, anyway ;)