Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[Tav]

I want that too, i though of it, but you might hurt other people, this is why car and tent is a good idea.

can you tell how you will do it? maybe you have a good method

Of course you would do it in a tent bag over head and put signs to alert of CO

 

[EmotionlessWanderer]

In countryside here a lot of people still using fireplaces to heat their houses during winter. Few years ago a guy who closed his fireplace vent before wood coals completely stopped glowing went to sleep and never woke up. As for what you would feel - read my post, its not painful at all. Method is really easy to execute, i would still consider CO tank instead in case you live alone

Unintentional death while sleeping? That sounds so nice.

 

[Yaalya]

is zopiclone a good drug for the CO method to lose fast consciousness and sleep during... (i have 11 x 7,5mg)
i don't want combinate it with alcohol.

 

[Yaalya]

i have tested this method in my 10m3 small room and i measured the CO concentration with my testo 317-3 (max1999ppm) i used around 1 kg charcoal (7pieces Briquetts the rest simple charcoal) i lighting it in a grill - dont have used a chimney starter. The CO concentration in the room was 500 after 6m, 1100 after 12m and finally max 1999 after 19-20m then i break off the test but the charcoal burned around 1h+ after the test in my balcony. i think if i continue the test to the end the ppm woulb be 7000+ ?

 

[whatever1111]

i have tested this method in my 10m3 small room and i measured the CO concentration with my testo 317-3 (max1999ppm) i used around 1 kg charcoal (7pieces Briquetts the rest simple charcoal) i lighting it in a grill - dont have used a chimney starter. The CO concentration in the room was 500 after 6m, 1100 after 12m and finally max 1999 after 19-20m then i break off the test but the charcoal burned around 1h+ after the test in my balcony. i think if i continue the test to the end the ppm woulb be 7000+ ?

why dont you buy starters and use more coal? I'll do an experiment soon with 4kg...

 

[Yaalya]

why dont you buy starters and use more coal? I'll do an experiment soon with 4kg...

this was my first test and ofc i will buy a starter, if i want really do this. i think 2,5kg is enough for my room.
can any1 recommend me a cheep 10000ppm CO sensor

 

[whatever1111]

its called TPI 707,and its not cheap :/

 

[whatever1111]

this was my first test and ofc i will buy a starter, if i want really do this. i think 2,5kg is enough for my room.
can any1 recommend me a cheep 10000ppm CO sensor

I think you can bypass not having a good meter if you're smart - if I remember correctly some girl in this thread said you could take a sample of your created CO and put it in a different, bigger container and see if it it still maxes your meter. not sure how it works, I'm not smart

 

[spanishguy22]

this was my first test and ofc i will buy a starter, if i want really do this. i think 2,5kg is enough for my room.
can any1 recommend me a cheep 10000ppm CO sensor

All 10000 ppm sensors are industrial over 300 euros :/

Of course you would do it in a tent bag over head and put signs to alert of CO

Bag over head??

 

[taghorde]

Sedation by GABAergic drugs ? Possibly with exception of barbs, due to prescription drugs i have received I doubt that woudl work ... I also doubt I'd be able to tolerate much alcohol.

I had a botched attempt 3 -4 years back via pain killers(yeah I know) the reason I botched it was I took a sleeve of zopiclone which are sleeping pills first washed down with southern comfort, I mixed this with coke as im not a drinker either.
i then tried to smack as many pain killers down my throat as I could ...I figured if I put my self under I would be oblivious to any damage or pain occurring.
the zopiclone and booze worked so fast I past out and never got to take the desired amount.
when the times right I will definatly go back to this method of sedation but take immediately after the coals are in place.
I had never heard of the charcoal method until recently and need to get this nailed down in my head but so far it seems a winner.
minus the pain killers.
first post,thanks for having me.

 

[taghorde]

hello again, i did a forum search and only found two references to the following chap (name only)
ive been doing a little more research and came across an interesting link on the web...its regarding bottled co2 a hose and a mask,

How to Kill Yourself Using the Inhalation of Carbon Monoxide Gas

Practical instruction on how to kill yourself using the inhalation of carbon monoxide gas

www.jerryhunt.org

my question is if you were to use this method in a car with bottle why the need for the mask setup?
and would it not be better(cost aside)than the burning coal method? thanks

he talks about the need for a fast flow rate,but theres no such thing with charcoal burning so could you not just enter the car get smashed and turn on the bottle.
these bottles can be bought on e-ba-y and various other places without the need for having to register for the bottle.
apparently there is or was a video demonstration by him but I cant find that.

 

[Yuri]

In this case CO tank is better. The most common one contains 6 cubic meters which is more than enough to reach concentration way above required ~1.5% in any car. I've checked multiple companies that are selling this stuff, price on this particular one with flow regulator would be around 350$. You can also save up to 100$ if you buy empty used tank with regulator(just make sure that both are intended to use with CO) and pay only for refill.

So far finding proper place to do it is the hardest part. Tents are hard to seal properly, renting a countryside house(even small one) starts at 100$ per day in my area and transporting stuff there is problematic without car. Kinda regret not having drivers license rn, could've just rented one and do it there.

 

[whatever1111]

In this case CO tank is better. The most common one contains 6 cubic meters which is more than enough to reach concentration way above required ~1.5% in any car. I've checked multiple companies that are selling this stuff, price on this particular one with flow regulator would be around 350$. You can also save up to 100$ if you buy empty used tank with regulator(just make sure that both are intended to use with CO) and pay only for refill.

So far finding proper place to do it is the hardest part. Tents are hard to seal properly, renting a countryside house(even small one) starts at 100$ per day in my area and transporting stuff there is problematic without car. Kinda regret not having drivers license rn, could've just rented one and do it there.

I'm even worse lol, I have a licence but suck at driving, I'm anxious I would have an accident plus me being suicidal as a new bonus to my great life makes it seem impossible to pull off

 

[magick'sgone]

I did a little test run in a tent (without the deadly aspect) last weekend, and have noted a couple of potential issues. The tent is a brand new Malawi 2. I chose this little beaut as I had read somewhere that another bus catcher had had a successful journey in the exact same model. It self erected VERY easily, but was a real bstrd to pack away the next day. Hopefully I won't need to worry about that in future. I got drunk, gobbled a few benzos, crawled into my sleeping bag, and was out like a light. Woke up many hours later feeling very refreshed. However, the interior perimeter had a little border of water. Not wet as an otter's pocket, but disturbingly moist. It would seem that some rain had gotten in. Surely if rain snuck in so easily, gas would have no trouble escaping? The other issue is; I had clearly moved around a bit during my slumber. It's a small tent, and the thought of accidentally exfoliating my epidermis with hot coals isn't a pleasant one. Any thoughts? Cheers all.

 

[fister]

Yes if you notice that it is permeable to liquid then gas will have no problem getting through this material.

If your CO concentration is high enough then even if you have some involuntary muscle movement then you won't be aware of any burns.

 

[Joannf]

I won't include the whole post, as it is huge, but he claims chimney starters aren't suitable. This is untrue.

Simply by using a maximum of 2kg in each full-size chimney starter - which is what they are designed to hold, maximum - solves any issues with crumbling charcoal. If 2kg isn't enough, simply use 2 or 3 chimney starters at once. Don't try put all your charcoal in one chimney starter! It is common sense that if you use more charcoal in a chimney starter than they are designed to hold, or keep the charcoal in the starter too long, then the effects will be negative, with charcoal at the bottom crumbing.

Out of context, and I'm a she. Two kgs is a bit much for the average chimney starter. You need to think like, "How many bricks do I need to stash over each other ?" Because stashing as such is BAD. I use several little aluminum trays which are cheaper than chimney starters, there's about 800 grams in each, they fire the charcoal bricks more evenly and reliably. I developed a complete recipe to do this, with exact portions of fuels to use... you can of course also use several of the chminey pots and fire them up after a youtube barbecue video. But if you need 6 or 8 kilos of greyish, glowing, non-stinking bricks almost at the same time, you might want to think again.

I did a little test run in a tent (without the deadly aspect) last weekend, and have noted a couple of potential issues. The tent is a brand new Malawi 2. I chose this little beaut as I had read somewhere that another bus catcher had had a successful journey in the exact same model. It self erected VERY easily, but was a real bstrd to pack away the next day. Hopefully I won't need to worry about that in future. I got drunk, gobbled a few benzos, crawled into my sleeping bag, and was out like a light. Woke up many hours later feeling very refreshed. However, the interior perimeter had a little border of water. Not wet as an otter's pocket, but disturbingly moist. It would seem that some rain had gotten in. Surely if rain snuck in so easily, gas would have no trouble escaping? The other issue is; I had clearly moved around a bit during my slumber. It's a small tent, and the thought of accidentally exfoliating my epidermis with hot coals isn't a pleasant one. Any thoughts? Cheers all.

Obviously, tent makers will not want people to suffocate in their tents - so the free exchange of gases is a paramount design factor.
You would have to use big plastic foils over your (inner) tent, basically wrapping it in - and use some double-sided adhesive tape with the foil...
if you see what I mean, to make sure your CO gas doesn't escape before it can kill you, or even before it can reach a half-way deadly concentration.
CO at 1000 ppm will kill you within 2 hrs, so you don't really need extreme concentrations (or expensive hardware to measure) -
airtightness and a couple of hours time are way more important.

 

[whatever1111]

Out of context, and I'm a she. Two kgs is a bit much for the average chimney starter. You need to think like, "How many bricks do I need to stash over each other ?" Because stashing as such is BAD. I use several little aluminum trays which are cheaper than chimney starters, there's about 800 grams in each, they fire the charcoal bricks more evenly and reliably. I developed a complete recipe to do this, with exact portions of fuels to use... you can of course also use several of the chminey pots and fire them up after a youtube barbecue video. But if you need 6 or 8 kilos of greyish, glowing, non-stinking bricks almost at the same time, you might want to think again.


Obviously, tent makers will not want people to suffocate in their tents - so the free exchange of gases is a paramount design factor.
You would have to use big plastic foils over your (inner) tent, basically wrapping it in - and use some double-sided adhesive tape with the foil...
if you see what I mean, to make sure your CO gas doesn't escape before it can kill you, or even before it can reach a half-way deadly concentration.
CO at 1000 ppm will kill you within 2 hrs, so you don't really need extreme concentrations (or expensive hardware to measure) -
airtightness and a couple of hours time are way more important.

you're still alive!!!! i liked your posts from way back before

 

[Joannf]

Charcoal emits CO for a long period of time, long enough that by the time you've emptied one chimney starter load into a bucket, started up a second chimney starter and emptied THAT into a bucket on top of the first load, you don't have to worry about the first ones becoming extinct from a CO viewpoint.

I would say that the time from lighting the first chimney starter, emptying it into a bucket, burning a second one, emptying that and then the bucket being ready to place in the space... probably an hour and a half. What we are interested in is that a) they are not smoking and b) they are not too hot to cause issues in the space.. car/tent etc. Anyone who has tried this will tell you that a steel bucket full of charcoal is very HOT, even if it's been sitting there a while. My experience was not to wait for a certain 'greyness', but to wait until it became feasible to put them in the space from a heat output point of view.

I would say that from the time your bricks are ideally grey, they will emit CO well for 20 minutes, then less well, and they will be ash after 40.
So if you're working this alone, (with two hands and one mind) you need to either have a setup that allows you to work in increments (where you place a load of glowing brix inside your room, leave and heat up another stash, allowing the CO to build up inside that room stash by stash, till you have reached 10k ppm or whatever you desire, calculating that with each visit you likely lose 10% or so opening and closing the door), to finally walk into the room holding your breath, close the door behind you one last time, smile to yourself, inhale deeply and take off... zoom.
Or you need to heat up all the stuff simultaneously, and carry it into the room (car, tent) simultaneoausly. I'm more for method one but checked out if method two is feasible and how, and I found that I would want to be damn careful about what I'd do if I used that method ;)

you're still alive!!!! i liked your posts from way back before

Yes... I'm very embarrassed ;)
I'm thinking year to year... it's not that I'm depressive or something, there's a couple of health and other factors that make me consider this...
And of course I like to know what I'm doing, it's sort of a one-time experience where you don't want to fail.
I wouldn't like to get old, or rather so old that I fade away in a "home for the golden years," because I have a relative who does, and so it was clear to me since am lonng time that I would probably suicide myself some far-off day, and CO seemed to be the method of choice.
So I had a working method for acid, but last year the formic acid stash had been 3 years old and that meant I couldn't be sure about the concentration, as formic is unstable... so I thought my way through the charcoal thing, and I found so many interesting pieces of info here, and so many forms of angst and ignorance, that I simply had to do checks and tests. These questions have to be answered.
I refreshed the formic recently, and so I'm flexible again - I mean, charcoal really is a winter method, reckon your room will be 10 C hotter after the process ;)

 

[whatever1111]

I would say that from the time your bricks are ideally grey, they will emit CO well for 20 minutes, then less well, and they will be ash after 40.
So if you're working this alone, (with two hands and one mind) you need to either have a setup that allows you to work in increments (where you place a load of glowing brix inside your room, leave and heat up another stash, allowing the CO to build up inside that room stash by stash, till you have reached 10k ppm or whatever you desire, calculating that with each visit you likely lose 10% or so opening and closing the door), to finally walk into the room holding your breath, close the door behind you one last time, smile to yourself, inhale deeply and take off... zoom.
Or you need to heat up all the stuff simultaneously, and carry it into the room (car, tent) simultaneoausly. I'm more for method one but checked out if method two is feasible and how, and I found that I would want to be damn careful about what I'd do if I used that method ;)


Yes... I'm very embarrassed ;)
I'm thinking year to year... it's not that I'm depressive or something, there's a couple of health and other factors that make me consider this...
And of course I like to know what I'm doing, it's sort of a one-time experience where you don't want to fail.
I wouldn't like to get old, or rather so old that I fade away in a "home for the golden years," because I have a relative who does, and so it was clear to me since am lonng time that I would probably suicide myself some far-off day, and CO seemed to be the method of choice.
So I had a working method for acid, but last year the formic acid stash had been 3 years old and that meant I couldn't be sure about the concentration, as formic is unstable... so I thought my way through the charcoal thing, and I found so many interesting pieces of info here, and so many forms of angst and ignorance, that I simply had to do checks and tests. These questions have to be answered.
I refreshed the formic recently, and so I'm flexible again - I mean, charcoal really is a winter method, reckon your room will be 10 C hotter after the process ;)

next week i will be doing my experiment... with a proper meter and 4 kilos... I'm worried about the alarm but not too much. i'll get to see how serious I am about this stuff. maybe I off myself, if not I will seek help the week after - stagnating is not an option. I think you described how you can use a cheap meter to measure high concentrations, or am I mistaken?

 

[Joannf]

how quickly does CO dissolve? If I fill up a tent with CO in a garage with one normal (small) door
and another bigger one (the sliding garage door), would it dissolve quickly after the experiment?

As fast as normal air would.

I'm so afraid of the smell and fumes from the 2 acids. There are pictures of one victim with a horror green skin and painfull looking injuries. So I was looking of chem.-reactions without acid or fire-heating. It was a long searching day...

Obviously, you have to filter out the acid fumes. You would want to use, say, a 20 l gasoline canister/jerrycan connected to another one by a 1 inch hose, you would mix the acids, maybe 8ltrs/8ltrs, not too much, in one canister and have your filter in the other - or rather, you best use a plastic box of maybe 30 liters, attach the hose low, leading it into the box and perforating it at many places so the gas can leak through. Above this, you stash several layers of rock wool roof insulation, then you fill in water, just enough. The CO will be produced in the jerrycan and leave through the hose, then be pressed through the soaked rock wool, where the acid fumes get filtered out. You can add a few layers of kitchen filters from those extractor hoods, use only the active coal part, put it on top of the rock wool, as active coals = charcoal filters out the acid fumes but not the CO. It works, I tested it twice.
Obviously, there are a few interesting mechanical obstacles that you still need to master, but I can't give you the entirety of my patent and maybe you can come up with something creative ;)

 

[Joannf]

My mistake was (i believe) letting the coals build up the CO levels too high before getting into the vehicle. Given the same variables i ought to have not closed the entry door and wandered about smoking for 10 minutes before getting in. What i ought to have done is left the door open during this period, taken a handful of diazepam, got in and closed the door. My experience was that the high levels of CO knocked me out immediately and i didn't close the door behind me. It might have been other issues, i don't think so. I hadn't taken enough other stuff to KO me that quickly.

So i'm inclined to agree with the above post.

I think you shouldn't take any medication - why would you do that, it just increass the possibility of failure. This is the biggest project in your life, you should approach it with calm serenity and a clear mind... okay, it's the last project, the one that cancels all others or surmounts them.
Mors est quies viatoris - finis est omnis laboris.
With medication, you're also in grave-danger of becoming so care-free that you enjoy life too much and might decide to break off the process ;)
Fail !
If you reach high CO levels, you have nothing to fear ! Personally, I always loved sleeping, and this should be like falling asleep. Gotta love CO - it's da supah-smooth gas, only one that will switch you off without the chance that you feel smothered (as inert gases will).
My direct experience with CO was with a generator running inside a room with a closed door, for a short time, one of those exceptions that kill people - quite accidentally and me walking in, realizing what was going on only when my knees started to give. So I barely got out of the room to take a deep breath, then dived right in again to shut off the generator and make sure the air could circulate, then waited for an hour or so outside... I had no negative effects, and I was elated, the way you are when you narrowly cheated the hangman. Sure - dizzyness was totally there but who minds that ? No headaches... I think that's what some people get as an allergic reaction, and medical sources will pound on such things to discourage the suicidal. So, why take drugs ? You are going to take the best drug ever in just a moment ;)

As thats just wood and contains no carbon it wont work sorry , charcoal is used because under the right circumstances it produced CO

Let me simplify this for once.

Carbon is an important part of plants and in fact the fourth most abundant element in the universe. It's what humanity, a species of scavenging herd animals , (over-)uses as fuel. Oil and 'natural gas' and coal are all ex-trees and other plants that died millions of years ago and went underground in tectonic shifts etc. - so the carbon is there, just in different concentrations. The highest concentrations are found in anthracite coal.

Pure carbon would react with pure oxygen (this is what we call 'burning' or 'fire') smokelessly... to release thermal energy quite explosively and create CO or CO2, depending on the abundance of oxygen in the immediate vicinity. Much oxygen = CO2, only half of it = CO.
These are the basics, all we're discussing here is how to get this halving of the available oxygen just right, and get rid of the junk in the chemicals we use to do it, and have a controlled reaction rather than an explosive one ;)

You could, with simple burning-to-CO2, just use up the oxygen in a room, thereby dying of asphyxiation. But that would cause a flight reflex.There were idiots at slaughterhouses recently who killed pigs with CO2 gas, thinking it was more or less the same "humane" process as with CO - and CO2 is cheaper. These psychopaths didn't understand or didn't care about the consequences. What happened was that the poor beasts died in terror and panic, exactly what 'humane killing," which is also our main subject here, is trying to avoid. We're trying to humanely kill ourselves.
Of course, in many slaughterhouses animals are still being clubbed to death with axes or bats or whatever, by troglodytes who enjoy this sort of thing. Human intelligence is grossly overestimated.

But back to basics :
There are also other ways of releasing the aforementioned elements, mainly C and O, to create the desired compunds, in more elegant chemical ways than burning - as by mixing certain acids, which are complex chemical compounds that contain these elements.
Carbon is everywhere, we would still be in the stone age without it.
In fact - and even with carbon in abundance - we still mentally are.
But that will soon be none of my business ;)

 

[whatever1111]

do any of you have experience with alarms on the meters? are they loud, is it an issue? if so, how to muffle the sound? i have the TPI one. should i worry about the neighbouring houses?

 

[Cheesedoodle 1]

I want to try the charcoal method but I live in a populated area and with family around would only be able to try it at night. I have a small shed that I could try to make air tight with plastic and tape on the inside. My issue is starting it. I have a lot of neighbors and it would raise some eye brows if I started a charcoal grill at midnight in my back yard. I was wondering how much smoke the match light charcoal gives off? I was wondering if it would be possible to just light one at a time on a grill inside my shed. The thought is letting them burn one at a time is to keep smoke to a minimum. Then hopefully get enough going to produce enough co to take me. This might be a log shot but I figured I'd throw it out there.

 

[Deardaddy]

Will duct tape be enough to seal those small gaps on a door or window? Or somehow the CO will still escape through it?

I did awaken some one who tried charcoaling in hotel, 2 hrs he fell asleep in toliet of smoke. Boy it was slow really . He made it , so the story is this has a low success rate and don't tell your close one about it.

 

[whatever1111]

it needs practicing, for sure... I reached 5860 ppm in one hour today, 2 kilos (before lighting it) of briquettes and 2 kilos of lumpwood. the bathroom was medium size, though, not very small. I'm kinda dissapointed, but I'll try tommorow in a different room. I guess a car should be better, and maybe 6 kilos damn it.

 

[Deardaddy]

it needs practicing, for sure... I reached 5860 ppm in one hour today, 2 kilos (before lighting it) of briquettes and 2 kilos of lumpwood. the bathroom was medium size, though, not very small. I'm kinda dissapointed, but I'll try tommorow in a different room. I guess a car should be better, and maybe 6 kilos damn it.

U should tape all the holes. If there are holes it won't work as the smoke will find all means to escape and fresh air to re-enter .

 

[whatever1111]

U should tape all the holes. If there are holes it won't work as the smoke will find all means to escape and fresh air to re-enter .

i dont mean to be rude, but no shit sherlock :) I taped everything, and there is no smoke lol

 

[Yaalya]

it needs practicing, for sure... I reached 5860 ppm in one hour today, 2 kilos (before lighting it) of briquettes and 2 kilos of lumpwood. the bathroom was medium size, though, not very small. I'm kinda dissapointed, but I'll try tommorow in a different room. I guess a car should be better, and maybe 6 kilos damn it.

how big is your bathroom in m3 ? 5800ppm after 1h with 4kg charcoal is really not much :(

 

[Joannf]

I want to try the charcoal method but I live in a populated area and with family around would only be able to try it at night. I have a small shed that I could try to make air tight with plastic and tape on the inside. My issue is starting it. I have a lot of neighbors and it would raise some eye brows if I started a charcoal grill at midnight in my back yard. I was wondering how much smoke the match light charcoal gives off? I was wondering if it would be possible to just light one at a time on a grill inside my shed. The thought is letting them burn one at a time is to keep smoke to a minimum. Then hopefully get enough going to produce enough co to take me. This might be a log shot but I figured I'd throw it out there.

Unlikely to work, lots of stink and smoke and everything - I wouldn't want to try and hide this (we have no neighbors for more than a mile around, that's different).
So light the coals in daylight and do some grilling. If you have an airtight room or shed or cupboard (danger - heat!), then you can accumulate the CO. But that is precision work. I don't think you can do it under the circumstances. Try acid.

do any of you have experience with alarms on the meters? are they loud, is it an issue? if so, how to muffle the sound? i have the TPI one. should i worry about the neighbouring houses?

BeeepBeeepBeeep forever like a smoke detector.
You need a cushion and make as if you want to smother someone in their sleep.

how big is your bathroom in m3 ? 5800ppm after 1h with 4kg charcoal is really not much :(

It's enough to be dead after twenty minutes.

 

[whatever1111]

yeah, but I would need to stay inside, and wait for the build up, and it would be a long time - I'd maybe die in an hour or so, thats lot time if you ask me. if I came in after the build up, I think it would be impossible. if I remember correctly, because I was in a hurry, as soon as I opened the door to take a look at the meter, the concentration fell rapidly - its really easy to disperse the CO, it seems. so 1. would do it in a smaller room, or in a car 2. make sure it reaches 10 000 ppm in one hour, so at least I know I'll be dead in that time. either way, I wouldnt be thrilled waiting inside, frying my brain slowly, eh. I was hoping stepping in after the build up would be easier

how big is your bathroom in m3 ? 5800ppm after 1h with 4kg charcoal is really not much :(

I guess its around 4m3 or sth like that. maybe 3x4x3 or some combination. I can look it up tommorow, and post it with the results from the new experiment