Can faith make it easier to CTB?

[SoDead]

Major religions tend to discourage people from committing suicide, calling it sinful, sometimes even more sinful than killing somebody else. However there are also religious movements which encourage it. Some of them are truly evil, telling their followers to go to a crowd of infidels and explode, sending them all to hell and ascending to heaven. Others are more peaceful. For example, there was "Heaven's Gate" cult in USA , its members killed themselves peacefully in March 1997, believing that an alien spaceship passing nearby is going to take their souls to a higher plane of existence after that.

Do you think that some kind of religion may be helpful for CTB?

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

Suicide is both discouraged and accepted in the path that I follow. It's absolutely frowned upon for anyone wanting to be a martyr for any cause. But if a person is suffering, it's viewed as a rational option to take your life to end the pain.

 

[Seiba]

Suicide is both discouraged and accepted in the path that I follow. It's absolutely frowned upon for anyone wanting to be a martyr for any cause. But if a person is suffering, it's viewed as a rational option to take your life to end the pain.

What path is that?

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

What path is that?

LaVeyan Satanism.

 

[Ta555]

Major religions tend to discourage people from committing suicide, calling it sinful, sometimes even more sinful than killing somebody else. However there are also religious movements which encourage it. Some of them are truly evil, telling their followers to go to a crowd of infidels and explode, sending them all to hell and ascending to heaven. Others are more peaceful. For example, there was "Heaven's Gate" cult in USA , its members killed themselves peacefully in March 1997, believing that an alien spaceship passing nearby is going to take their souls to a higher plane of existence after that.

Do you think that some kind of religion may be helpful for CTB?

I can't stand religion. As someone from the west this is mainly directed at Christianity and abrahamaic religions that make people into slaves of some sadistic god. You don't really realise how fucked up Christianity is unless you start to really think about it. There's this great YouTube channel called TheraminTrees that does amazing calm and thoughtful videos on this.
And like the old joke goes
Jesus: knock knock
You: who's there?
Jesus: it's me, Jesus. I'm here to save you.
You: from what?
Jesus: from what my dad's going to do to you if you don't let me in.
You feel me?

 

[eternalmelancholy]

I despise religion as well. I was raised by psycho religious nut jobs. I am talking about full on conspiracy theories against the government level of wackos. It took years for me to get rid of all the indoctrination and brainwashing. It should be considered child abuse.

 

[Seiba]

I despise religion as well. I was raised by psycho religious nut jobs. I am talking about full on conspiracy theories against the government level of wackos. It took years for me to get rid of all the indoctrination and brainwashing. It should be considered child abuse.

It is child abuse regardless if the state is willing to see it that way or not. I remember our discussion about your experiences with it before. The bias of allowing parents to ruin their children emotionally with indoctrination and brainwashing is disgusting. Not "religious freedom" when it's a young child forced to be dependent on someone for survival needs.

 

[empty]

I was raised Christian (I'm not anymore), and I've always been surprised that there aren't more people who commit suicide to go to heaven. But it's probably because some Christians view suicide as a sin and don't think that Christians who commit suicide can go to heaven. Even though the Bible doesn't address the ethics of suicide, to my knowledge. I can't speak to other religions though.

 

[Ta555]

I was raised Christian (I'm not anymore), and I've always been surprised that there aren't more people who commit suicide to go to heaven. But it's probably because some Christians view suicide as a sin and don't think that Christians who commit suicide can go to heaven. Even though the Bible doesn't address the ethics of suicide, to my knowledge.

They used to in the first couple of centuries. Lots of suicides to get go heaven. That's why the church made it a sin. Who will pay tithes if they're dead?

 

[Okami]

I was raised to believe in God by my Christian family, and it had a negative impact on me as a whole. It kept me from accepting my bisexuality for a while, as my parents told me that "that's not how things should be." It wasn't until I was a teenager that I truly started to break away from religion and started forming my own opinions and beliefs.

I still consider myself to be pretty spiritual, but I don't necessarily have faith in God existing. And even if he does, he's honestly not someone I'd be all that comfortable supporting. I'm not against Christianity as a concept; people can believe in whatever they like and it's not any of my business. But it becomes a problem once you start forcing your views on others, which is unfortunately very common in religious households. Parents have beliefs and they automatically want their kids to think in the same way they do.

My current belief of what will happen to me after death (reincarnation, though not into a human) is definitely one of my main motivations for dying. I have complete confidence in it, and if anything I'm impatiently waiting to have a means of leaving.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Yes. I think overcoming SI needs something more powerful than simply logical thinking. Beliefs and romance are good strategies for overcoming SI. Martyrdom is a thing because of its power to overcome SI. Romeo and Juliet is a thing because it overcame SI.

 

[samsaragothands]

i think the example you brought up isn't necessarily related to religiosity, since cultism comes from a place of total isolation and surveillance and standard religious practices never go far enough to breach that. in my opinion, believing in most religions, both western and eastern, would make it more difficult to CTB since all religions are a means of finding meaning and purpose in life, and to voluntarily end it would mean to reject that approach.

 

[Chiisai]

I dont really know. Though lately I listen to Gregorian Chants to make me feel of wanting to go to a heavenly place. aside from that, what motivates me to CTB is the thought that I might be able to reset my life. Whether this is true or not, I dont really care. No one really knows anyway and only one way to find out. If there's a chance to restore everything, why not?

It might not be faith in religious doctrine but its faith in learning the outcome of such action.

 

[All Things Must Pass]

Depends on the faith.

 

[Cant go back]

I don't think so. If heaven was as wonderful as it's made out to be why would anyone stay here! There would be thousands of suicides daily.

I guess people are worried they might go down instead of up.

 

[Death is beautiful]

I dont really know. Though lately I listen to Gregorian Chants to make me feel of wanting to go to a heavenly place. aside from that, what motivates me to CTB is the thought that I might be able to reset my life. Whether this is true or not, I dont really care. No one really knows anyway and only one way to find out. If there's a chance to restore everything, why not?

It might not be faith in religious doctrine but its faith in learning the outcome of such action.

Wow, you are still with us, you are gone for a long time, I thought you were CTB

 

[Chiisai]

Wow, you are still with us, you are gone for a long time, I thought you were CTB

Hey frank. I thought so too! Yeah gave myself a time off or an ultimatum and focused on my investments first so my family wont be left empty-handed. Was about to go this season thus my return but then the market crashed. Haha I have to hold off my sched for a while. You? How are you?

 

[Death is beautiful]

Hey frank. I thought so too! Yeah gave myself a time off or an ultimatum and focused on my investments first so my family wont be left empty-handed. Was about to go this season thus my return but then the market crashed. Haha I have to hold off my sched for a while. You? How are you?

everything as usual, my SN came the other day, but unfortunately I can't use it in the near future for some reasons

 

[Chiisai]

everything as usual, my SN came the other day, but unfortunately I can't use it in the near future for some reasons

Oh I believe its a good news that your SN came. Though bittersweet since you say you cannot use it in the near future and it seems the reason, with how its phrased is not something that should be openly discussed. Just great that you got your package. I remember I had to outsource mine like its from a blackmarket thus it came in a ziplock. It nearly got held off in customs thinking it was some other substance.

 

[whatevs]

I despise religion as well. I was raised by psycho religious nut jobs. I am talking about full on conspiracy theories against the government level of wackos. It took years for me to get rid of all the indoctrination and brainwashing. It should be considered child abuse.

Wait, there's a conspiracy against the government?! How can I join??