Business, economics and suicide

[Tintypographer]

I am fascinated by the continued trolling and overblown claims that @kellikaren and @fixthe26 continues to make. One laughable statement is the concept that the purpose of this forum is to make money off of suicide. The shout of outrage even includes the site selling coffee mugs or swag about suicide.

Impact of business cycles on US suicide rates, 1928-2007

Feijun Luo et al. Am J Public Health. 2011 Jun.

The article sited above actually does look at the impact of finances on suicide rate, specifically at prolonged contractions and expansions of the economy in the US vs the rate of suicide.



The above image (which is a tufte-visual display of quantitative information award winner from my perspective-google it) displays the suicide rate and suicide rate for age groups vs time. Grey bands are the periods where economists consider the economy to be contractions or recessions while white bands are considered by economists to be expansions.

One conclusion is that we do see sharp suicide jumps during sever recessions or depressing but certain age groups jump during expansions.

In particular, the period where the sharp rise occurs for a groups but the youngest after 2000 does not seem to follow an economic trend that previous cycles follow.

A curious hypothesis for me would be to track the rise of social media time against the rise in suicide rates for all age groups-just a hypothesis to examine, not a conclusion.

It is interesting that economic factors have a relationship with some aspects of suicide rates.

As the rates are currently increasing and members of SS are sharing their fears, depression and expressing their frustrations with the shortcomings of mental healthcare, it's fascinating that a group of people who all profess to be impacted by suicide resort to angry bullying instead of working toward solutions and trying to understand the problem.

 

[Versailles]

One laughable statement is the concept that the purpose of this forum is to make money off of suicide.

What? where is the sauce on that? what kind of conspiracy theory is that?, it reminds me of a prolife group that said that the creators of SS profit from the self-destruction of users who participate in the site

 

[Tintypographer]

What? where is the sauce on that? what kind of conspiracy theory is that?, it reminds me of a prolife group that said that the creators of SS profit from the self-destruction of users who participate in the site

What? where is the sauce on that? what kind of conspiracy theory is that?, it reminds me of a prolife group that said that the creators of SS profit from the self-destruction of users who participate in the site

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

What a weird hill to die on. The US military killed millions of Arabs in cold blood and they go after this community

 

[Bone]

Can someone shed light on this t-shirt business? What the hell are they talking about?

 

[Tintypographer]

That one was new to me. It truly was. I see references daily to the "breaking news story that the New York Times did on the suicide cult forum recruiting thousands to die with unchecked mass hypnosis and evil connections to death all for profit"

But the "they're selling t shirts, coffee mugs, beer koozies and fidget spinners that say 'i made my last online post at sanctioned suicide'" is a new one to me.

 

[Bone]

"Domestic terrorism"................? It's as though these people have never visited the site and seen what the vast majority of members actually talk about and what their life circumstances are. It is a lifeline for a lot of people-myself included.

Also, there is literally zero affiliation between the site pictured that sells SN and this site. I miss the days where we as a society at least pretended to operate in facts...

 

[Tintypographer]

"Domestic terrorism"................? It's as though these people have never visited the site and seen what the vast majority of members actually talk about and what their life circumstances are. It is a lifeline for a lot of people-myself included.

Also, there is literally zero affiliation between the site pictured that sells SN and this site. I miss the days where we as a society at least pretended to operate in facts...

See my post on logical fallacies and attaching visceral language to things in order to raise the attention level. Language is a key component in trying to build a case without data.

"death cult"
"terrorist"
"murder"
"incel"
"child predator"

What they want is to avoid a narrative that descends into questions like "how many people actually took their lives?" Which is difficult to verify and by SN, appears to be very few within the USA at least. They don't want to have a discussion regarding difficulty of accessing mental health services. The definitely don't want to discuss the fact that the helplines are selling data for profit from what should be private conversations.

They want the narrative to be "shut it down at any cost".
This is why I have adopted their tactic of posting things daily to refute their information with facts and studies. I also clip their images of what they say and send the exact same info with the scientific studies refuting it to the exact same representatives and senators on their lists with the links to the data letting the representatives know that they're actually complaining about numbers that are in the double digits where suicide and the health crisis is in the millions and the link to incels etc is as tenuous as pizzagate was.